Blessed Pedro Calungsod

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

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then you don't know Christianity by heart and soul if maohon jovs,
'cause a conclusion as huge as yours should be backed up with proofs..
you were saying nga constantine corrupted the original teachings of Jesus
before constantine,Christians were persecuted,executed,fed to the lions,burned,tortured...
just by spreading the news about Jesus and his resurrection...about hiis Lordship and salvation...
so if dili pa diay God si Jesus...unsa man kahay gisebya atong mga martyrs?

technically speaking,with your claim we are discreting what has been written historically and accepted
worldwide...'cause not all people may believe that Jesus is God..
but history confirms that first batch of Christian martyrs were killed for proclaiming Jesus' Lordship.
actually All Christian martyrs were killed because of proclaiming the Gospel..
including pedro Calungsod.

a person who knows something by heart and soul should be able to explain things
in a very detailed fashion...down to the tiniest information.

unless you would say that Christianity we know today...the Church that believes Jesus is God
is a FAKE one in your own POV...then ok ra na...everyone is entitled with personal POVs..
pero kung muingun ka nga sayop jud in an absolute manner...
then you need to explain why and back it up with all sides of proof.

sa akong ng giingon bro, most of them were politically persecuted. pareha ni Jesus, pasanginlan ug rebelyon gilansang sa krus. Gusto man gud sauna nga iimpose ilang gusto nga version sa Christianity nga himoon ug religion ky just like karon, kusog ang negosyo sa religion. Ang original nga Christianity is a school, not a religion, where there teachers-students, not preachers-followers. So kung gusto sa uban nga himoon ug religion, unya pugson sila nga himoon gyud ug religion unya usbon, pun-an, sagulan ang original teachings ni Jesus, they rather defend and die than to follow a fake revised Christianity and give false teachings to all the followers. So duha ra na bro, if a Christian martyr is a student or teacher of the original Christian school of Jesus, then he died for the original/true Christianity. If dili siya student or teacher, and just a mere follower or preacher, then he died for the fake Christianity that is a religion. Pedro Calungsod died for the fake Christianity created by Constantine.

[SioDenz]

sio, that is just one interpretation..the verse could mean differently..
the abomination could simply mean self righteousness..
which is very present in every church and every Christian group...
self righteousness that unconsciously condemns others.
basically judgementalism for what we know about right and wrong in God's eyes...
the verse could just be a warning about legalism.

regarding how saints are selected...
i have posted a Catholic link how canonization of saints are done in my previous posts..
i think it was even addressed to you,if you havent read them...kindly back read if nahan ka

and it is not done overnight wherer people would just select them...
and you can freely search for them on the net...
yes the process is done by men of course,but just like the Bible,written by men but with divine influence.
how would i know that the process was of divine influence? 1st by faith...
everything else can be done by research..and the apostolic succession.

But you cant deny the Fact that Only God can read our hearts no one else, so if common sense lay hisgutan, Only God has the authority to say ikaw maluwas, ikaw mahimung santo.

[slabdans]

dili ra bro, deretso ra ka sa langit ug maglingkod sa too sa Anak

aw unsa man gyud tinood..ma reincarnate ko or malangit?

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

aw unsa man gyud tinood..ma reincarnate ko or malangit?

malangit ka lagi bro, kamo ra

[Gjhone]

Did you know? Na kaning mga kugtong og kagwang maoy kusog kaayo motira sa katoliko? Specially kaning mga newly converted, I say newly converted those less than 3years pa, but kaning more than 3 years na, naka get over nani sila, dili nana sila manghilabot. .....suyaan na gani ang sto nino, karon nadungagan napud ni blessed Pedro calungsod, ulbo kaspa sa mga kugtong og kagwang!

[slabdans]

malangit ka lagi bro, kamo ra

aw mao ba? malangit di ei ko gi salamat

[noy]

But you cant deny the Fact that Only God can read our hearts no one else, so if common sense lay hisgutan, Only God has the authority to say ikaw maluwas, ikaw mahimung santo.

no one can see the heart sio except God..yes i agree with it, but would you agree that how you understand it is again another interpretation?
since we are both Christians i think we can both agree
that there are some Christians who are really exceptional...the type of Christians who really walked the talk the type of Christians who wrote the new testament. the type of Christians who willingly gave up their earthly lives for the gospel so that others may know about Jesus..
the promise of Christ as what paul said in romans 8:1 is there is no more condemnation for those who are in Christ.
reason i said exceptional Christians, 'cause those type of Christians who are living on earth as if they are not on this world..
do you think they haven't recieved Christ's promises yet?
if so, i would find it ridiculus for you not to believe in purgatory.

where do you suppose those people who died for the gospel are? those people who gave their lives
for the gospel of Jesus and His Love basing on the verse i posted..
if they went through purgatory for some cleansing because it is also written in Rev. 21:27 - nothing unclean shall enter heaven
and naa pa daghan verses that supports purgatory and indulgence..
sa ilang gibuhat sio, do you think they would spend a great deal of time in cleansing?

the 2 verses i posted are very contradictory, and it shows that we are not to be absolute in how we look at the scriptures.
'cause without the Holy Spirit, they are just words and worse without the spirit of Love, they can lead us to something else.
i'm not saying nga you're reading the bible without God's Spirit ha but the thought really is
we cannot be black and white with the scriptures.

going back ni Luther, example ra ni ha...but i think most protestants believe in his no purgatory/no indulgence claim...
but with all the verses that supports purgatory and indulgence..he might have been mistaken about his claim.

sio, i think it would be hard for you to understand these things simply because your orientation is different from Catholics.
in the same way an aetheist would never understand theism.
unless you study Catholicism for the sake of understanding(of course online, di pud guro ka ganahan magpari..hehehe)
i think you can understand our practices more if you search for their answers yourself.

[noy]

sa akong ng giingon bro, most of them were politically persecuted. pareha ni Jesus, pasanginlan ug rebelyon gilansang sa krus. Gusto man gud sauna nga iimpose ilang gusto nga version sa Christianity nga himoon ug religion ky just like karon, kusog ang negosyo sa religion. Ang original nga Christianity is a school, not a religion, where there teachers-students, not preachers-followers. So kung gusto sa uban nga himoon ug religion, unya pugson sila nga himoon gyud ug religion unya usbon, pun-an, sagulan ang original teachings ni Jesus, they rather defend and die than to follow a fake revised Christianity and give false teachings to all the followers. So duha ra na bro, if a Christian martyr is a student or teacher of the original Christian school of Jesus, then he died for the original/true Christianity. If dili siya student or teacher, and just a mere follower or preacher, then he died for the fake Christianity that is a religion. Pedro Calungsod died for the fake Christianity created by Constantine.

how will you state your case bai jovs? when i myself and anybody else can also create another version of the story.
what we're up against is history jovs.
till then, what you are saying is just another POV. your version of Christian teachings.