The DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY. unsa inyong knowledge about God?

[slabdans]

kanang wiki bro, basta naay saktong reference asa gipangkuha (kung wala ka kabalo naa sa ubos), mao to akong gi paste, ok ra na. naa man sab note kung dili pa confirm. ka wai pulos gud ana nga site ug mao ng storyaha. ato ng petitionan.

plus kung you were taught already like God or Jesus or bisag unsa, bisan kita pa ka nakasulat sa putos sa bulad, makabalo ka kung sakto ang gisuwat or dili

OT: hurot na diay ang mga tawo diri. hahahaha. maayo ra pud ky daghan pa ko buhaton. Nice ang discussion. Good night everyone!!

naa man di ie note nga di cnfirm unya imong isangyaw nmo hahaha mahulog nag false prophet.

[randymunz]

Bro, wala nay laing doctrine that best explains God sa atong human level, only the Christian concept sa TRINITY. Kung imong i dig deeper ang concept sa impersonal God, mas lisud tuohan coz it will end up only in pantheism. Kung transcendent being like in Islam, dili sad ma explain kung unsa/kinsa sya kay general ra kayo.

motoo ko that there is only one God but to explain God in trinity will make it complicated instead of making it understandable Isa. 43:10 says, for a person to become a witness of God he must believe, know and understand that he is, before Him there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Him.

lisod kaayo gamiton ang trinity to explain the Godhead kay ingon ni Pablo sa unang Korinto 15:27-28 nga ang tanang mga butang ipailalom sa anak ug tataw kaayo nga walay labot ang amahan ug human mapailalom ang tanang mga butang ngadto sa anak ang anak ipasakop sa amahan nga maoy nagpahiluna sa tanang mga butang ilalom kaniya(anak) aron ang Dios mahimong ibabaw sa tanan.

so klaro kaayo nga dili sila co-equal labaw jud ang amahan unya ang Dios walay kamatayon apan ang anak nga pong pas sa trinity Dios pud namatay man, nya unsaon man pud pagka co-eternal nga namatay man siya natapos ang iya papel pagka anak didto sa krus. And in Acts 4:10 God (father the eternal Spirit) raised him( Jesus Christ) from the dead. So may Dios nga nagbanhaw nya. Pwedi diay ng ang Dios gibanhaw sa lain pong Dios?

[Breakeven]

@jovs

ngano magsige man ka ug pakasala kung makabalo ka nga naa diay karma? it is not just reincarnation, kuyog ang karma ug reincarnation. sige ka ug balik balik/reincarnate bec of your bad karma. simple ra kaayo bro. if all people makabalo ani bro, peaceful kaayo atong life, wala nai mubuhuat ug evil, everyone is helping each other to accumulate good karma.

Mas mopabor nuon ang taw ana bro kay kana pa sige lang tilaw sa sala (panchix,tilaw tanan lami,etc.)….total wala man syay knowledge sa iyang past lives nah. Kinsa mang tawhana nga naay idea sa iyang previous life? Wala.

Bro, face the reality of Evil/Sin. Wala nay chance ang taw mahimong matarung kundi as what the bible says, greed, pride, lovers of themselves more than God and because the love of many wax cold, immorality abounds….which is very,very obvious sa atong panahon. Giduwa-duwaan lang ang word nga gugma. Illusion ranang imong giingon nga ma attain ang peace bro! Unless machange ang kasing2 sa taw, dili ang opening of the third eye.

pero kung kanang salvation ug confession nga false belief, ang tao moingon cge na lng ko himo ug maayo da, magpaksala kaha hinoon ko panagsa, basin kuhaon ko ni lord. ok ra man seguro ky anyway buutan man ko, i believe in Jesus, i can ask forgiveness. kita ka bro? makabuhat ug dili maayo, naay excuse.

Imoha sad ning version sa pagbuhat ug sayop bro. Dili man ingon ana ug mindset ang tinuod nga Christians.

mao na ang root sa corruption sa pilipinas ug sa mga catholic and christian countries. ang politko, mangurakot, ok ra para niya, naay excuse, iya man i donate sa simbahan, unya iya ra pud i kumpisal, iyang itabang sa mga nanginahanglan, pero mao pud lagi, muhangyo ni God nga 90% iyaha, unya 10% ra kang God ky iyaha gud nga idea. Pwede diay na, dili. mao na kasagaran sa mga politiko, cancer ang sakit. unya pwerteng antos. unya maayo unta ug mabayran? inig next life, inig katawo pa lng daan naa ny cancer, magkasakit sakit pero buhi ha, pero grabe nga pag-antos.

Hhehe! Ang cancer bro dili na tungod sa karma from the past lives kundi sa iyang present nga pag-abusar sa lawas…constant sinning, Adultery, gambling, drunkenness, etc…Ang konsensya, guilt ug pride nag-abot mao nang makaweak usahay sa immune system. Dili tanan corrupt politicians nagkasakit ug in ana sad, with exception sa mga matarung jud.

ang makasave sa tao bro, ang teachings nga masabtan ug followhon para sa iyang salvation, ug dili ang nag teach. tagaan ta ka ug example, sa school, imong teacher, tudlu-an ka sa lessons, too ka sa iyang gipangtudlo, pero i test ka, kung kabalo ba gyud ka. dili ang teacher ang makapasar nimo sa school kung dili ang imong nasabtan ug resulta sa imong exams. pwede diay na nga inig test, moingon ka teacher, too ko nimo kasabot ko nimo, pasar nako sa test ha klaro na kaayo mo nga hagbong mo sa test sa inyong real life

Ang pangutana diha, kinsa nga teacher ang imong tuohan? Nganong wala manka motuo ni Mohammad, Moses, Jesus Christ? Nganong si buddha man imong gipaminaw? Parehas diay sila ug means/ways of salvation?

Kani nuon bro, kung i-test kaha ka sa Creator inig moabot imong time sa judgment, are you 100% sure makapasar sa iyang standards imong binuhatan? I-consider bro ang standard sa Ginoo is His Son, Jesus examples kung makatupong ba ka ana. Kung wala sa kumingking imong achievement/good works surely hagbung naka daan! Mao nang ni-adapt nalang ka anang concept of reincarnation kay wala may sure unsay padulngan…..

Kung kabalo lagi ka about sa imong true self, you will know that you are not a person and you will know that God is not a person. mao na nga ma deceive gyud ang tao nga persons apil na si Christ ky wa man siya nailhan. ang iyaha ang nabasahan ra man niya ug nailhan sukad pagkatawo, pero nangutana ba siya kadaghan ug person ba gyud, sige lng tando.

Give us your definition sa impersonal God first, unsa iyang kakayahan….kay lisud sabton moingon ka we are made in his likeness/image, unya kita as a PERSON, we have this will, intellect and emotions. Sabta sa maayo ang difference between the two para dili ka maglibog kung kinsa diay ka! Kung moingon ta impersonal ka, tabla ra kag nag hallucinate ana.

sa akong nasabtan karon, murag wala man false messengers, false interpretters ra man seguro. I trust Jesus bro, that's why I follow his teachings, I trust Christ that's why i want Christ inside me awaken.

Bro, Christianity is very different from the OCCULT belief. Kana dili jud ta magka-reconcile/agree diha. Padayon lang sa imohang occult bro and we will continue with our Faith in Jesus Christ.

mao na, naay excuse no to do good all the time, sureball na, naa nay assurance si satan nga dili na makabalik ni God, dili na maka attain ug perfection ky naa mai false excuse.

Then na perfect naka bro? hmmmm, ikaw ha pagklaro gani diha….ang pag open sa third eye bro dili na assurance nga mahimo kang perfect coz we are already in a fallen state, residue lang na bro kung unsa diay ta when Adam did not sin…..kulang pa gani na kay wala ka mag-glow like Christ’s in his resurrected body.

That’s why Jesus Christ was sent from GOD to rescue us from Evil/Sin.

[Breakeven]

motoo ko that there is only one God but to explain God in trinity will make it complicated instead of making it understandable Isa. 43:10 says, for a person to become a witness of God he must believe, know and understand that he is, before Him there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Him.

Then can you explain God in our level of understanding? Dili ka kasabot sa concept sa Trinity bro if you only make reference sa OT. You quoted a verse in which wala pa magpakataw si Christ. Unsaon man nimo pagsabot kani nga mga verses sad:

"baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" (Matthew 28:19)

John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared, "I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. " Again, in response, the Jews take up stones in an attempt to stone Jesus (John 8:59). Why would the Jews want to stone Jesus if He hadn’t said something they believed to be blasphemous, namely, a claim to be God? John repeatedly tells us of the Lord's connection to "I Am". See John: 4:26, 8:24, 8:28, 8:58,and 13:19. The Apostle Paul tells us that Jesus "..is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist." (Colossians 1:15-17)

John 1:1 says that “the Word was God.” John 1:14 says that “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us” This clearly indicates that Jesus is God in the flesh. Acts 20:28 tells us, "...Be shepherds of the church of God, which He bought with His own blood." Who bought the church with His own blood? Jesus Christ. Acts 20:28 declares that God purchased the church with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is God!

more detailed links about His Deity....
Bible Verses Stating Jesus is God
Is Jesus God? | Jesus is God | Deity of Jesus | Jesus Trinity | Man and God | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

As the famous argument of CS Lewis about Jesus Christ…

x is jesus god 2
Is Jesus God? - Did Jesus Claim To Be God?

Is Jesus God? The Only Alternatives
Is Jesus God? Many people have dealt with this "spiritual" dispute by intellectually accepting Jesus as a great man, great teacher, or great prophet. However, Jesus and His inspired followers didn't mince words when they declared Him to be God (John 10:30-38, Matthew 16:13-17, Mark 14:61-64, John 14:6, Hebrews 1:8, Colossians 1:16, John 12:40-41 [quoting Isaiah 6:1-10]). Therefore, any type of intellectual compromise calling Jesus a "good man" is logically inconsistent. Why? Because there are really only three legitimate alternatives for the identity of Jesus Christ. He is either a liar, a lunatic or our Lord and God. Since Jesus claimed to be God, His claims are either true or false. If false, He must have been a liar, deliberately misleading the multitudes. Or, He was a lunatic, sincerely believing Himself to be God, when in reality He was just a man. However, if Jesus was a "good man," as most people now agree, how then could He be both good and crazy, or good and a liar? There is only one logically consistent alternative - He must have been telling the truth. In addition to the logical inconsistency, the remarkable historical, archaeological and manuscript evidence shows that Jesus was neither a liar nor a lunatic. Again, the only position left is that His claim is true. Jesus is Lord and God.

lisod kaayo gamiton ang trinity to explain the Godhead kay ingon ni Pablo sa unang Korinto 15:27-28 nga ang tanang mga butang ipailalom sa anak ug tataw kaayo nga walay labot ang amahan ug human mapailalom ang tanang mga butang ngadto sa anak ang anak ipasakop sa amahan nga maoy nagpahiluna sa tanang mga butang ilalom kaniya(anak) aron ang Dios mahimong ibabaw sa tanan.

In the Godhead bro walay heirarchy kung kinsay labaw sa Amahan ug Anak. Coz in Jesus Christ dwells all the fullness of the Godhead in bodily form (Colossians 2:9). These 3 persons of the Godhead (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) reveals himself throughout history as recorded in the Bible.

Philippians 2:6
Who (Jesus Christ), being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Hebrews 1
And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”d 7In speaking of the angels he says,“He makes his angels winds, his servants flames of fire.”e 8But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.9You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;

Of course dili sila parehas ug level coz lahi2 man ang ministry or manifestation. Dili sad pwede tingali nga pulos nalang ulo (head) tanan walay laing parts…. just like our body parts noh, lahi2 ug functions, dili tanan ulo….

so klaro kaayo nga dili sila co-equal labaw jud ang amahan unya ang Dios walay kamatayon apan ang anak nga pong pas sa trinity Dios pud namatay man, nya unsaon man pud pagka co-eternal nga namatay man siya natapos ang iya papel pagka anak didto sa krus. And in Acts 4:10 God (father the eternal Spirit) raised him( Jesus Christ) from the dead. So may Dios nga nagbanhaw nya. Pwedi diay ng ang Dios gibanhaw sa lain pong Dios?

Christ has the power to raise the dead. Even himself. How would you relate to this verse kung wala syay gahum over death or dili pa sya ang author sa kinabuhi?

John 2:19
Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. What is he referring to? None other than His resurrection.

[noy]

the Trinity is like Three Dimensions of Space
-We interact with our surroundings through three dimensions: height, width, and depth. The dimensions are completely distinct and non-interchangeable, yet invariably present simultaneously in the same location. Without one or the other of the dimensions all of existence would be radically altered. They are mutually dependent for intelligibility.

or Ice, Water, Steam.
-The different states of matter are an effective illustration of how one thing can take three very different forms with different attributes. Similarly God can appear and act in history in dramatically different ways and remain one God

and....Battery, Wire, Electricity.
God is the power source, the battery, the creator. Jesus is the mediator, the wire which conducts God's love to us. The Spirit is the power itself, the love of God which comes to us through Jesus.
Furthermore, this example can demonstrate our relationship to the trinity - we are the light bulb at the end of the wire which the Spirit turns on.

source:Two Friars and A Fool: 10 Explanations of the Trinity

[Breakeven]

very nice point bro @noy......

one more thing is the concept of time....PAST,PRESENT and FUTURE. Theyre distinct from each other yet they have one meaning.

[NapoleonBlownapart]

aw, mao man kaha imong nahibaw-an bro, no problem with me bro. i am just trying to explain to you what i've known. lahi lahi man ta ug sources, so dili ta mag-abot pud. basta mao na akong nahibaw-an, unsa man purpose pud nako to prove to you. wala man pud, sharing ra man ni ako.

It's not just a simple "what I know". What I'm pointing to you are facts. You can verify than in history books. Unsa man d.i ni opinionay ra ni wa tay basehan ani? Pagsure diha oi. Tuo lang d.i ta dayon sa istorya kay nindot paminawn bisan sukwahi sa tinood nga nahitabo? I think I'm execting too much from you since sauna pa your sources are vague.

actually Persian siya ky Persian iyahang papa, hala kadakung tsismis ani. Pero mao na akong nahibaw-an bro, pasensya na

Another baseless claim or it's probably another Jesus not the Jesus in the bible.

Tsismis ra man pud ng imo nga si God ang iyang papa. naa ky proof?

You can put it as "tsismis" but it came from Jesus and the apostles so di na na malalis. Unlike your claims na ambot diin na gikan. Bunga ba na sa kahubog or kagutom. LOL

nya si God pa gyud nga impersonal,

Showed you the meaning of person. If you chose the shallow definition of person then so be it.

gi unsa pagkapapa sa usa ka human , kabalo man ko anang inyo, si Hercules man na, giilisan ra ug name ni Jesus , anak baya to ug God si Hercules

Huna-huna ra na nimo oi.. bisan asa na man lang tawn ka oi..

[NapoleonBlownapart]

motoo ko that there is only one God but to explain God in trinity will make it complicated instead of making it understandable Isa. 43:10 says, for a person to become a witness of God he must believe, know and understand that he is, before Him there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Him.

So basically you're saying because it's complicated it cannot be understood. This is illogical.

To become God's witness, someone must understand that there is no other God besides God. No one before Him and no one after Him. The trinity doesn't teach of another God. Since the trinity doesn't teach of another God besides God then we don't have a problem with the verse.

lisod kaayo gamiton ang trinity to explain the Godhead kay ingon ni Pablo sa unang Korinto 15:27-28 nga ang tanang mga butang ipailalom sa anak ug tataw kaayo nga walay labot ang amahan ug human mapailalom ang tanang mga butang ngadto sa anak ang anak ipasakop sa amahan nga maoy nagpahiluna sa tanang mga butang ilalom kaniya(anak) aron ang Dios mahimong ibabaw sa tanan.

so klaro kaayo nga dili sila co-equal labaw jud ang amahan unya ang Dios walay kamatayon apan ang anak nga pong pas sa trinity Dios pud namatay man, nya unsaon man pud pagka co-eternal nga namatay man siya natapos ang iya papel pagka anak didto sa krus. And in Acts 4:10 God (father the eternal Spirit) raised him( Jesus Christ) from the dead. So may Dios nga nagbanhaw nya. Pwedi diay ng ang Dios gibanhaw sa lain pong Dios?

Co-equal - This refers to their nature man. The Captain is above the Private but it doesn't make the Private less human than the Captain.

Eternity is no beginning and no end. Eternal means having no beginning and no end. Do you believe that Jesus, at some point in history, did not exist? Do you believe that Jesus, at a certain point in the future, will cease to exist?

Do you believe that Jesus is no longer the Son of God? Natapos na man kaha iyang papel pagka anak so di na sya anak?

[slabdans]

Huna-huna ra na nimo oi.. bisan asa na man lang tawn ka oi..

ingnan tamo kuridas ng ka jovi...gamitig solvent para mag abot mo...

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

naa man di ie note nga di cnfirm unya imong isangyaw nmo hahaha mahulog nag false prophet.

ako gi explain bro nga naay mga note nga dili pa confirm unsay naka publish bisan tood ug naay mga references asa gipangkuha. like for example kani: Protestant work ethic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Protestant work ethic

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This article includes a list of references, but its sources remain unclear because it has insufficient inline citations. Please help to improve this article byintroducing more precise citations. (February 200

Cover of the original German edition of The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism

The Protestant work ethic (or the Puritan work ethic) is a concept in theology, sociology,economics and history which emphasizes hard work, frugality and prosperity as a display of a person's salvation in the Christian faith. The phrase was initially coined in 1904 by Max Weber in his book The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism.^[1]
It is argued that Protestants, beginning with Martin Luther, had reconceptualised worldly work as a duty which benefits both the individual and society as a whole. Thus, the Catholicidea of good works was transformed into an obligation to work diligently as a sign of grace. Whereas Catholicism teaches that good works are required of Catholics to be saved (viewing salvation as a future event), the Reformers taught that good works were only a consequence of an already-received salvation.
However, the Calvinist theologians taught that only those who were predestined (cf. the Calvinist concept of double predestination) to be saved would be saved. Since it was impossible to know who was predestined, the notion developed that it might be possible to discern that a person was elect (predestined) by observing their way of life. Hard work and frugality were thought to be two important consequences of being one of the elect; thus, Protestants were attracted to these qualities.












magwarn na daan ang wiki, so bisag ikaw sweto ka ani, ikaw rai nakabalo unsa ang nakabutang diri, and if there are changes nga para nimo dili na mao then i think you can contribute until nga kasaligan na siya nga information then kuhaon na ang warning sa wiki.

pero katong akong gihatag nimo nga wiki, wala toi indication, plus naay references asa gipangkuha ang naka publish and further reading references: Lost years of Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lost years of Jesus

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The lost years of Jesus concerns the undocumented timespan between Jesus's childhood and the beginning of his ministry as recorded in the New Testament.
The gospels have accounts of events surrounding Jesus' birth, and the subsequent flight into Egypt to escape the wrath of Herod (Gospel of Matthew 2:13-23). There is a general reference to the settlement of Joseph and Mary, along with the young Jesus, at Nazareth (Matthew 2:23; Gospel of Luke 2:39-40). There is also an isolated account of Joseph, Mary, and Jesus' visit to the city of Jerusalem to celebrate the Passover, when Jesus was twelve years old (Luke 2:41-50).
Following that episode, there is a blank space in the record that covers eighteen years in the life of Christ (from age 12 to 30). Other than the generic allusion that Jesus advanced in wisdom, stature, and in favor with God and man (Luke 2:52), the Bible gives nothing more about Jesus' life during this time span. A common assumption amongst Christians is that Jesus simply lived in Nazareth during that period, but there are various accounts that present other scenarios, including travels to India.
Several authors have claimed to have found proof of the existence of manuscripts in India and Tibet that support the belief that Christ was in India during this time in his life. Others cite legends in a number of places in the region that Jesus passed that way in ancient times.^[1] The Jesus in India manuscript was first reported in modern times by Nicolas Notovitch (1894). Subsequently several other authors have written on the subject, including the religious leader Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (founder of Ahmadiyya movement) (1899), Levi H. Dowling (190, Swami Abhedananda (1922),^[2]Nicholas Roerich (1923–192,^[1] Mathilde Ludendorff (1930), and Elizabeth Clare Prophet (founder of Ascended Master Teachings New Age group) (1956).^[3]




but maski confirm na or dili, upon reading the article, ikaw personally, makabalo ka kung sakto, based sa gitudlo nimo, sa imong nasabtan, ug sa na prove sa imong kaugalingon nga sakto ang naka publish diha. nya masabot ra pud nimo kung uban dili uyon ana ky nagpasabot lng na nga wala sila kabalo, wala sila natudlu-i, ug wala nila na prove sa ilang kaugalingon.

na prove man nako sa akong self nganong muadto si Jesus India. But it is not something nga didto ko sa India, nakabasa ko sa logs ug stories nga naa siya didto, but it is bec i know what is in India ug sa uban nga lugar nga gipang-adto ni Jesus sauna.