Blessed Pedro Calungsod

[defender_1611]

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@noy: bay noy I have these couple verses which is mangutana ko nimo.

2 Corinthians 13:13 (KJB) "All the saints salute you."

Romans 15:25 (KJB) "But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints."

Psalms 16:3 (KJB) "But to the saints that are in the earth, and to the excellent, in whom is all my delight."

Romans 12:13 (KJB) "Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality."

Ephesians 1:15 (KJB) "Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,"


Now heres my question: Kinsa may gi referrence sa maong mga bersikulo? ang mga patay or buhi?

[noy]

kadali lang mga brads from other denomination ha...murag magkabuang jud kog tubag ninyo run...Lol
kadaghan na ba aning mga pangutanaha..i'll try my best nga muhatag sa akong insights regarding the topic
but in the main time, pwede pud mu musearch ug answers from CATHOLIC sites...
'cause obviously if you would check on sites that are against Catholic practices, you would only find answers that you're comfortable with..
mao nay rason nganu di tunhay atong pagkasinabtanay...
kay we always look for answers from our own perspective which from our side of story,from our point of view...
then we would never understand the other side of the story...

@bai defender, the chart that you showed me...i'll take time to read them through...
notice that it started with "Catholic church teaches Jesus is NOT ENOUGH"
bai, kana pa lang daan...murag one sided na jud kaau...testingi ug simba sa Cathlic church bai...
if naa bay part nga gi istorya diha nga si Jesus dili enough...or any part sa mass where Jesus is being belittled...

Later guys...

[defender_1611]

kadali lang mga brads from other denomination ha...murag magkabuang jud kog tubag ninyo run...Lol
kadaghan na ba aning mga pangutanaha..i'll try my best nga muhatag sa akong insights regarding the topic
but in the main time, pwede pud mu musearch ug answers from CATHOLIC sites...
'cause obviously if you would check on sites that are against Catholic practices, you would only find answers that you're comfortable with..
mao nay rason nganu di tunhay atong pagkasinabtanay...
kay we always look for answers from our own perspective which from our side of story,from our point of view...
then we would never understand the other side of the story...

@bai defender, the chart that you showed me...i'll take time to read them through...
notice that it started with "Catholic church teaches Jesus is NOT ENOUGH"
bai, kana pa lang daan...murag one sided na jud kaau...testingi ug simba sa Cathlic church bai...
if naa bay part nga gi istorya diha nga si Jesus dili enough...or any part sa mass where Jesus is being belittled...

Later guys...

bay noy dara akong source ay : "Catechism of the Catholic Church"
(published in 1995 by Doubleday, 1540 Broadway, New York, New York 10036). para dili ka kaingon na ga buhat buhat ra kog akoa.

[necrotic freak]

bay noy dara akong source ay : "Catechism of the Catholic Church"
(published in 1995 by Doubleday, 1540 Broadway, New York, New York 10036). para dili ka kaingon na ga buhat buhat ra kog akoa.

katawanan nimo brod. dili mana catholic website imong source kundi gikan mana sa imong grupo ng jesus is lord movement.

[defender_1611]

katawanan nimo brod. dili mana catholic website imong source kundi gikan mana sa imong grupo ng jesus is lord movement.

dili na website bro ui dili man ko sakop sa grupo ni eddie villanueva....naa koy libro ana kung ganahan ka pakit.on pa tika.

[necrotic freak]

dili na website bro ui dili man ko sakop sa grupo ni eddie villanueva....naa koy libro ana kung ganahan ka pakit.on pa tika.

aw nalaha ug dili ka gusto ug website. ang author sa imong libro nalang nga taga jesus is lord.

what would you expect from their group when they write about RCC? klaro ana.

ayaw nalang ko pakita ana kay di ko intresado. hehe

[defender_1611]

aw nalaha ug dili ka gusto ug website. ang author sa imong libro nalang nga taga jesus is lord.

what would you expect from their group when they write about RCC? klaro ana.

ayaw nalang ko pakita ana kay di ko intresado. hehe

pakit.a daw ko sa info sa author sa imong gi ingon na author aning libroha bro link lang kay tan,awn nako....

[necrotic freak]

pakit.a daw ko sa info sa author sa imong gi ingon na author aning libroha bro link lang kay tan,awn nako....

gamit sad common sense usahay brad. would you think a catholic author would write a book like that? matud pa ni noy, klaro kaayo one sided.

[noy]

Do you know why there are people like me sounds very strong to push enough label on peoples belief? because I know the truth.

muslim suicide bombers even kill thousands of people in the name of what they believe is TRUE bai. you cannot even count how many strands of hair you have in your head. i agree that the BIBLE is the word of God, but would you agree that anybody can have a personal interpretation on a certain verse and can give an entirely different meaning? The bible may be God's word which is perfect but since the people(us) reading it aren't perfect sadly makes the bible possible for MISinterpretation depending kung unsay atong orientation.
from an aetheist's view the bible can be a series of contradiction
or the killings in the old testament can be interpreted as Atrocities
The DEUTERONOMY verse you presented earlier as per your understanding, it depicts the Catholic church's worship of saints and that talking to departed Christians asking them to pray for us is still an abomination.
from a Catholic's POV, the verse simply refers to necromancy,sorcery and the like...how would you reconcile the different interpretations if ing ana kasirado imung mind regarding these things? so ing ani imung gusto? whatever christian denomination you're with, kung naa muy interpretation sa bible,sakto and mao jud na, while other interpretations that do not match with yours are WRONG?
we know that quran has verses about infidels...and how infidels should be dealt with
other muslims happen to take them literally, as a result we have suicide bombings, killing of converts to Christianity, beheading...etc
and worse is, the extremist even think they are doing it for Allah...would Allah?the meriful want that to happen?(muslim bros and sis, pls read my comment thoroughly,nothing against islam, just making the muslim extremist as an example that misinterpretation and misconception can be very dangerous).
of course, we catholics also had our share if misinterpretation, we used to think
that earth is the encter of the universe, we also had our share of extremist.history wise..again, do you really know the absolute truth?
if so, its just the same as saying nga all catholics/other religion who will not accept your interpretation will burn in hell in the last days.

Most of the people will say we should respect each others belief. that is because they are not on the strong foundation about what the Bible teaches. if you stand on this [no one knows the absolute truth] then its natural for a person not to put label on peoples belief. because he is not sure too.

do you think Jesus is smiling at you right now?calling your Catholic brothers and sisters idolaters?
“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." Matthew 7:1-5

I am not telling base on myself but what the Bible says. if the Bible say that it is wrong, then we Christian also must say that is wrong.

what heppens if you misinterpret the meaning of a certain verse?
or is possible that you could also be mistaken in your interpretation?
when paul said, "to the Jews i became like a jew that i may win the jews, to the gentiles, i became a gentile that i may win the gentiles, to those who are under the law, i also became like one under the law though i am free from any laws...etc" to some it may seem paul is compromising, for me, it is a deep illustration of compassion and Love. so unsaon man nato na pagreconcicle run?
Naa man na sa BIBLE diba? pero atong interpretaion wala sa bible.

['cause loving one another as ourselves cannot be defined by putting labels on other people's belief
basing on what we know is right or true..] The teaching on the Bible is very contrary from this. If you love your brother you must instruct him if he is doing wrong. To correct a person is a real expression of Love. It is just like a mother chastening her son because she doesn't want her son to be like that when he gets old.

i understand your point and i appreciate the concern.however, are we really in the position to say who's right or wrong with our interpretations?
may unta ug nanapaw ko,mingpatay ko, nagbugal-bugal kos Ginoo
kana! klaro na jud na nga sayop ko ug kinsa man ang di mu uyon sa ako...sigurado nga sakto...Kaso bai, we are talking about practices..we are talking about the meaning of the verses written in the bible? ingun ba diay ang bible sa deuteronomy nga dili ang necromancy ug sorcery ang pasabut ani...ang mga Catholics nga nag istorya ug mga christiano nga nipanaw na...therefire, that verse is subject to interpretation...and basaha balik. does the verse really resembles Catholic practice of veneration of saints? or the sorcery practised in withcraft..

Now I saw that you have your History knowledge about Catholic Churches bloody past. Yes they were the responsible for killing the 60 Million Christians in the dark ages. where is Christianity here?

what about eorupean killings of Catholics by protestants? have you had your share in that History?i am not trying to pull any strings here. point is, we both had our share in violating Christ's law of love..who are we to point fingers to begin with?
and besides, what Catholics did, does NOT discredit Catholicism
but discredit how they call themselves(Catholics)..

now if you are to push this, we might as well call ourselves accusers rather than Christians.because we are already violating Christ's law of judgement.
"putting label on people 'cause i know the truth" tsktsktsk!

kasabut ko if we argue,debate 'cause we simply have different interpretations
but putting labels on us because "you know the truth" is a different story.

There are things that are NOT found in the Bible that are being practiced by first generation churches of Christ.you should know, it's in the bible

"Follow the PATTERN OF THE SOUND WORDS which you have HEARD from me, in the faith and love which are in Christ Jesus; guard the truth that has been entrusted to you by the Holy Spirit who dwells within us" (2 Tim. 1:13-14).

"So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by WORD OF MOUTH or by letter." (2 Thess. 2:15)

"You, then, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus, and what you have HEARD from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also" (2 Tim. 2:1-2).

"‘Though I have much to write to you, I would rather not use paper and ink, but I hope to come to see you and talk with you face to face, so that our joy may be complete" (2 John 12).

bai, by the things written in the bible, there are things that the apsotle taught to early disciples by mouth. we do not really know 100% what those traditions,teachings were...perhaps we can assume(own interpretation)
simply because, those pratices are not found in the bible BUT it doesnt mean that those practices were not based in scripture.

dili ni panghinambog and the goal is not to redicule...but Catholicism(in general)
can be traced as the church founded by St.Peter the first pope and founder of first church of Christ.
"And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven’" (Matt. 16:18-19).

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

OT: for me a true saint is a living saint

Symbols in a True Saint
- doer not a beggar
- provides selfless services to mankind
- provides teachings free of cost and does not charge any fee against this
- does not do anything depending upon the world
- has full faith in God
- provided by God treasures which by spending does not finish and the thieves cannot steal it
- mind is quiet and stable
- free from the worldly desires, ie. Lust, anger, greed, attachment and vanity
- inspite of all powerful, He is full of politeness & courtesy
- always remain a humble servant to everybody
- remains ignorant inspite of knowing everything
- dwells in this world like a innocent and humble person
- speaks little, Always speaks the truth and talks politely and touches everybody’s heart
- never has any ill-will feelings, jealousy or enmity for anyone
- has a radiant form which is the provider of (become a source) happiness for others
- light of eyes attracts everyone, the compassion and humility comes out of it
- is the treasure of love and his body is full with the fragrance of spirituality the tides of spiritual love sprouts out of it
- even the impure eyes & the dirty heart gets a blissful feeling after taking the glimpse
- teaching is full of facts & logic and touches everybody’s heart
- thinks & treats equal all the castes & creed
- observes God in everyone, without making any discrimination
- delivers a common lecture for everyone.
- observes every body equally whether he is a child, an old person, a young man, either he is rich or poor, Healthy or sick, Beautiful or ugly
- teachings are very simple, which is not the out come of (Yield) of any thought or imagination
- What so ever He says, He never says anything read out or hearsay, He says and sticks to what He observes with His eyes
- never gets angry with anybody and He doesn’t speak with anger
- if sometime He shows His anger then that is meant for others benevolence
- never call Himself Guru and He never says to pray (Adore) Him
- His teachings is based on light and sound current
- never takes any offerings or wishes anybody to pray Him or touch His feets
- rather He wishes others to visualize your God within
- always says that this body itself is the temple of living God.