Blessed Pedro Calungsod

[noy]

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ang problema lang kay usahay ang uban instead mo-channel ni Jesus Christ in prayer and petition as He is the only way kay mo-channel naman nuon ug lain unya gibuhatan pa jud ug image/statue para they can talk to him as if he was alive.

when we ask others to pray for us, is it already considered as NOT going directly to God?
mao bitaw akong gi example ganiha nga mu pa ampo man gani ta ug tao who is spiritually matured than us nga buhi pa makasala pa, how much more kadtong mga tao who led an exceptional Christian life..plus patay na, wala nay chance ma biased madugngan ang sala...in other words, much closer to God compared to the ones we consider spiritual advisors sa atong church,

regarding Jesus' representation
making a statue to be worshipped is absolutely wrong...
BUT worshipping the PERSON portrayed by the statue..is somrthing else and
i think theres nothing wrong with it...is it in the BIBLE?

i know nga idolatry is not limited sa mga idols kay anything you put priority above God is an idol. same explanation if we make petition/prayer/talk why not to Jesus Christ. anyone/anything epuli ni Jesus Christ will be an idol when in comes to parayer/petition.

if that's the case then we should NOT ask anybody to pray for us..
instead we just GO directly to Jesus..why ask our friends,pastor,ministers to pray for us when we can go directly to Jesus?
how many times did the bible mentioned about praying for each other?
does it mean that once a Christian is dead,we can no longer ask them to pray for us? when as a Christian we believe that death is not the end of us but merely the beginning of eternal LIFE?

Kung pulihan na si Jesus, like muignun ko nga san pedro calungsod...luwasa akong kalag, i love you! etc kana maoy klaro nga gipuliahan si Lord ana..

unsay difference sa muingun ko nimu psychemaster, i pray ko kay nagstruggle ko,pls pray for Jesus' light to shine upon me...ug muingun ko ni pedro calungsod
exactly the same things i asked you to pray me for...diba wala?except lang kay patay na siya ug ikaw buhi pa..

when we talk we doesn't mean we pray but when we pray we talk because prayer is talking to God. back sa statue, wala jud ko problem sa talking2x pero when people prayed na or make petition then it is another story.

agree, talking does not really mean praying..therefore talking to saints does not mean we pray to them.
agree, praying is talking, that's why we pray to God when we talk to Him
are you saying that petition is already a form of prayer therefore bypassing God? then we are already praying when we say to our fellow Christians, pls for me,or for my son, or unta kapasar kos board exam or unsa pa na...diba petition pud na? when we talk to saints with petitions it's actually the same thing.
Like, san perdro calungsod, tabangi kog ampo nga kapasar kos exam ug grasya sa Ginoo nga makadawat kung di man gani..
mao btaw if you notice sa catholic church...like naay mag petition prayer before sa mass...muingun ang nagpray, st.joseph...motubag ang mga tao...pray for us,
st peter...and tubag pray for us...even sa Hail mary nga prayer,,,diba?
holy mary, mother of God...PRAY FOR US sinners...
therefore petition is NOT a prayer.

let's not confuse between talking ang prayer. now that Pedro Calungsod is a saint as declared by the Catholic church.
Do you think people will just talk and will not pray or make petitions through him?

i think we both know the difference between talking and praying...
i hope and pray that Catholics will just talk and ask St.Calungsod to pray for them instead of actually praying to ST.Calungsod..
that is way out of my control...i am not sure if some Catholics actually pray to saints and is practicing idolatry...it is very possible though

BUT 1 things is FOR SURE, the Catholic Church DOES NOT teach
that we should pray to the saints, instead we ask them to PRAY FOR US..

Can the Saints really pray for us?let's see what bible has to say about it.
"And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints" (Rev. 5:.
---so saints do pray..

Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working (James 5:16)
---pa ampo gani tas mga migo ug miga nato...saints pa kaha?

And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, rose before God from the hand of the angel.(Revelation 8:4 )

Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them.
---the work of a saint, and should be for every Christian.

I appeal to you, brothers, by our Lord Jesus Christ and by the love of the Spirit, to strive together with me in your prayers to God on my behalf,
---even paul asks others to pray for him,when he can pray directly to God...

[noy]

dont forget sa maglinya sa simbahan kay mo kiss sa tiil sa statuwa..hikap sa rebolto nya dayon panguros and dagkot kandila nya hug ug sinko sa lata.

paita...ganina ra jud tawn ko explain why the Catholic church does not teach idolatry...wala ra juy pulos tanan..hahaiz..
ok guys, sakto na mu...ma impierno na mi...so much for Loving others as ourselves commandment.
now do we still wonder why all religion promotes peace yet none of them attained peace with each other?

[slabdans]

paita...ganina ra jud tawn ko explain why the Catholic church does not teach idolatry...wala ra juy pulos tanan..hahaiz..
ok guys, sakto na mu...ma impierno na mi...so much for Loving others as ourselves commandment.
now do we still wonder why all religion promotes peace yet none of them attained peace with each other?

dah! sorender lage ka nag labad imong ulo noh? mao wa gyud q mag post sa ako POV dri hehehe gkan gud q dha(Born again) unya niguwas lang, asa mi palupig

[2stroke]

paita...ganina ra jud tawn ko explain why the Catholic church does not teach idolatry...wala ra juy pulos tanan..hahaiz..
ok guys, sakto na mu...ma impierno na mi...so much for Loving others as ourselves commandment.
now do we still wonder why all religion promotes peace yet none of them attained peace with each other?

cgoro ikaw bai nga katoliko, pero the qstion is ang uban kaha ingon ana kaha nga katoliko
so good for you,teach them bai the right way to pray. ikaw cgoro pero sa atong nakita gud bai
murag dili man gud.

KUNG WALAY NAG TUDLO NINYO BAI SA IDOLATRY ATLEST UNTA BADLONGON MO SA INYONG PARI.

[slabdans]

cgoro ikaw bai nga katoliko, pero the qstion is ang uban kaha ingon ana kaha nga katoliko
so good for you,teach them bai the right way to pray. ikaw cgoro pero sa atong nakita gud bai
murag dili man gud.

sa ako ra ni bai ha kung katoliko unya permi ka nag basa ug bibliya d ka mobuhat ana ngano man sakto man ka sa guide pero kung nagsalig lng kag pari aw ambot kato-liko siguro

[burn777]

paita...ganina ra jud tawn ko explain why the Catholic church does not teach idolatry...wala ra juy pulos tanan..hahaiz..
ok guys, sakto na mu...ma impierno na mi...so much for Loving others as ourselves commandment.
now do we still wonder why all religion promotes peace yet none of them attained peace with each other?

there's no right or wrong here bro.. i am a catholic, protestant(bradford), islam ,hindu (luhod ko ug elepante) etc.. hehe bitaw, naka simba lang ko anang mga reliheyona and puros ra jud compare2x.. kaingon sad kog way ayo ning atong mga religious leaders..

pangan ra sa Ginoo gigamit for their own benefit.

nothing against those people who worship from their heart not from their beliefs and defy others..

[noy]

dah! sorender lage ka nag labad imong ulo noh? mao wa gyud q mag post sa ako POV dri hehehe gkan gud q dha(Born again) unya niguwas lang, asa mi palupig

kapuy ko..ambut lang ug nalipay ba si Jesus aning kalakiha diri...

[slabdans]

kapuy ko..ambut lang ug nalipay ba si Jesus aning kalakiha diri...

hehehe lisod usahon ang science ug religion pero tan-aw nako murag mas lisod usahon ang mga denominasyon sa relihiyon

[2stroke]

dah! sorender lage ka nag labad imong ulo noh? mao wa gyud q mag post sa ako POV dri hehehe gkan gud q dha(Born again) unya niguwas lang, asa mi palupig

backslider diay ka bai slabdans naghatod cgoro ka ni imyourninja or dorothea hahaha
cge lang bai hinay2x lang gud barog bisag nagkalisod.
hinay2x lang gani ko balik bisag lisod. simba nya ta balik bai.

[slabdans]

backslider diay ka bai slabdans naghatod cgoro ka ni imyourninja or dorothea hahaha
cge lang bai hinay2x lang gud barog bisag nagkalisod.
hinay2x lang gani ko balik bisag lisod. simba nya ta balik bai.

di na ko mosimba bai oi total cge man tag sulti ug My Own Beliefso ako2x na lng gyud di na ko padalag church leaders ron sa ako lang tan-aw ang pinaka dali nga atakihon nga denominasyon sa religion katoliko ngano man? sila may una na establish sa sa kristyanimo syempre ang katoliko mo depensa gyud unya tantong lalis ang mga membro mamalhin sa ilang gituohang sakto dayon naa na sad manulpot nga relihiyon tira na sad sa mga relihiyon ang resulta nakalimtan ang tinood nga subject; kinsa man ang subject si Jesus nga maoy hinungdan ngano gitawag tag Christians, from the root word Christ ako lng pod na