What probable month is the birth of JESUS?

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OT: grabe, murag ipiton mn jud ang mo "against", hehe

OnT: I don't think so nga December birthday ni Jesus. Not on a winter and definitely not December 25. Ang ako ma link sa December 25 ky kato jud pagan practice in celebrating or worshiping sa "sun god".
If you ask me kung I celebrate x-mas? Mao ni ako matubag, wa ko ga celebrate ana. Don't worry, wa koy 13th month pay, haha. This might be my last post for this thread.

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OT: grabe, murag ipiton mn jud ang mo "against", hehe

OnT: I don't think so nga December birthday ni Jesus. Not on a winter and definitely not December 25. Ang ako ma link sa December 25 ky kato jud pagan practice in celebrating or worshiping sa "sun god".
If you ask me kung I celebrate x-mas? Mao ni ako matubag, wa ko ga celebrate ana. Don't worry, wa koy 13th month pay, haha. This might be my last post for this thread.

nope wa kay lusot oi unless d sad ka mo dawat ug pinaskuhan/gift, d sad ka mo apil2x ug xmass party d sad ka magpa caroling sa inyo, or tanan activity reated xmass di gyud na nimo buhaton.

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@slabdans:
sige, "might be the last post" rmn ako gibutang.

pinaskuhan-- rare na mahitabo; kato ra sigruo pagbata nga required sa school
x-mas party-- during school days rpud.
caroling-- wa sad

pero pra nako, di mn mag matter if imo dawaton or mo attend ka ana. naa mn tay ginaingon nga you can obey "some protocols or rules or ambot unsa jud ang right term" pero you're heart wasn't really in it. mura ra siya to show some respect for those who practice that.

Actually, kato student pako, I tried to ask mn sa admin nga di ko moapil pero mura kog nainitan ato nga time. Almost everyone ky najud bad side comments except for one and na touch ko sa iya giingon ato nga time though kahilakon na kaayo ko. hehe... basta mao lang na siya. it's not that easy to be against the flow, to stand firm on what you believe in, to be different from others, to be criticized by "all", etc samot na fragile kaayo kog heart. aw, OT na kaayo, haha

OnT: As what others have said, as long as you know what you truly believe in and what's in your heart, being with the people or an event of such things won't take away your faith. ma sense mana sa conscience nimo. No one is perfect except Jesus. I'm not perfect and cannot be "righteous" at all times.

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mao man gani na ako gi-ingon sa ako previous post nga wa unta tay dapat lalisan ana kay ang importante ang value ug meaning sa atong gi celebrate;

karon unsa man ang atong gi celebrate? kini ei: kalinaw, paghinatagay, pakipag kapwa-tao kana mga sampol sa kaayohan nga gihatag anang pasko dili ang petsa...lisod d i ng dawaton? ngano mag lisod lisod pa man tag pakita anang mga petsa nga sayop? unsa may intention nimo ana? para lang gyud ma gubot or mag libog?
kay pananglitan kita nimo nga sayop ang petsa ana kung nasayod kag unsa gyud ang pasko...so what its just a date.

wala ta mag celebrate ug date ug months, bisan naa pay mangabot nga mga bag-ong discoveries dha its still the same.

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This thread is just for letting the people know. It's not about pulling one's principles, beliefs, etc down. So, okay nata? hehe

Peace, being Kind, to be Warm and all other values can be practiced any time.

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@slabdans

This thread is just for letting the people know. It's not about pulling one's principles, beliefs, etc down. So, okay nata? hehe

Peace, Giving, to be Warm and all other values can be practiced any time.

pde lage na e celebrate any time pero ang pangutana gi paraktis ba kada adlaw? wala! pasalamat ka ana nga date atleast once in a year magka sinabot ang tanan. so we will both celebrating xmass on Dec 25 merry xmass hehehe

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anyway, nga kalingaw ko'g search2 sa net abou sa birthday ni Papa Jesus, and this has been to me the most convincing one..

Interpreting events as depicted in the Bible is no easy task. Although it is well known that some events in its text can be pinned on a moment in history, it takes a lot of work to separate the fact from the fiction.

But there is one significant event in the Bible that scholars have debated for centuries: The Star of Bethlehem.

Throughout the years, the fabled drifting star has been pinned on an array of possible cosmic events. Was it a comet? Was it a distant supernova? Perhaps it was neither, argues BBC astronomer and Discovery News contributor Mark Thompson.

In the run-up to the Christmas season, Thompson decided to do some research into what the Star of Bethlehem could have been. It had to be a significant event for "The Three Wise Men," as depicted in the Gospel of Matthew, to follow to Jesus' birthplace.

Naturally, there's a lot of uncertainty about the accuracy and validity of the Bible's interpretations about what happened over 2,000 years ago, but Thompson discovered a significant astronomical event that might explain what happened.

After scouring through historical records and using computer simulations of the positions of the planets and stars as they would have appeared, he thinks the Star of Bethlehem could be explained by the motion of Jupiter.

Jupiter's Retrograde Motion

Between Sept. 3 B.C. and May 2 B.C. there were three conjunctions (on Sept. 14, 3 B.C., Feb. 17, 2 B.C. and May 8, 2 B.C.) where Jupiter passed close to the star Regulus (the brightest star in the constellation Leo). This rare sequence of events would have looked very strange to those familiar with the night sky.

Thompson found that the gas giant passed Regulus in an easterly motion before appearing to reverse direction, passing the star again in a westerly direction. This change in direction is known as retrograde motion. Due to the near-circular orbits of Earth and Jupiter, as Earth has a faster orbital period than Jupiter, from our point of view we will appear to "overtake" the gas giant. The motion of Jupiter will therefore appear to change direction for several weeks before changing direction again continuing its easterly drift.

The Three Wise Men, thought by many to have been zoroastrianist priests (who were also renowned astrologers) might have noticed this strange motion and considered it to be a 'sign.'

"The retrograde motion meant the planet was travelling in a westerly direction in the sky and so the [Three Wise Men] may have followed it from Persia," Thompson told the UK's Telegraph.

"By camel it would have taken about three months and interestingly this is roughly about the same time Jupiter was travelling in this westward direction."

Culminating in a Jupiter and Venus Conjunction?

Interestingly, Indiana University researchers noted in 2003 that there was a spectacular conjunction between Jupiter and Venus a month after Thompson's time line. Both planets are thought to have overlapped in the night sky making them indistinguishable to the naked eye on June 17, 2 B.C..

Could Jupiter have led the Three Wise Men in the direction of Bethlehem after its bizarre change in direction, eventually culminating in a dazzling conjunction with Venus?

This of course could just be a coincidence, and there are a huge number of other explanations for the Bible's Star of Bethlehem. But if the "Three Wise Men" following the Star of Bethlehem was a real event, these known conjunctions involving Jupiter are a strong -- and fascinating -- argument as to what it might have been recorded in ancient text.

Sources: Telegraph, Indiana University.

Mura'g lahi ni sya nga klase nga Star bro! Dili ni sya common, this is what we called the Shekinah Glory

...as explained from Christiananswers.net Kani lang atong kuhaan ug basi nga verse....Matthew 2:

....and behold, the star which they had seen in the East went before them, till it came and stood over where the young Child was.

Two details in Matthew are of special interest:

First, the text implies that only the Magi saw the star. However comets, conjunctions, and exploding stars would be visible to everyone on earth.


Second, the star went before the Magi and led them directly from Jerusalem to Bethlehem. This is a distance of about six miles, in a direction from north to south. However, every natural object in the sky moves from east to west due to the earth's rotation. It also is difficult to imagine how a natural light could lead the way to a particular house.


The conclusion is that the Star of Bethlehem cannot be naturally explained by science! It was a temporary and supernatural light.

After all, the first Christmas was a time of miracles.

God has often used special, heavenly lights to guide his people, such as the glory that filled the tabernacle (Exodus 40:34-38) and the temple (1 Kings 8:10) and that shone upon the apostle Paul (Acts 9:3). Such visible signs of God's presence are known as the Shekinah Glory, or dwelling place of God. This special light is a visible manifestation of divine majesty.

The great mystery of the first Christmas is not the origin of its special star. It is the question of why the Magi were chosen to follow the light to the Messiah and why we are given the same invitation today.

What was the Star of Bethlehem?

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Naay humor, wit , intelligence , sense and most of all respect.

Keep it up guys !

Ideas might not reconcile but reltionships definitiely entwins ! Char !

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TS and mods, sorry sa mga OT's.

@slabdans, undang nata sa OT uy

OT =cge cge dah! sorender lage ka hehehe
Ont =merry xmass December 25 is the big day