What probable month is the birth of JESUS?

[SioDenz]

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Ang importante kana muhatag ka ug regalo sa imung kinugos ug di ka mag tago tago.

[newbie.86]

In my previous post:

Christmas has extra-biblical traditions in it, and this is admitted by the Pope himself. Walay animals sa manger etc. but that does not make it invalid. Extra biblical traditions like the Nativity scene, gift giving, singing Christmas carols wold only strengthen our grasp of Christmas. Singing songs in praise of God is a form of worship. Nativity scenes only help picture out the essence of Christmas. Secular tradition like christmas tree, yule logs, mistletoe, etc were individual expressions of people but has not been sanctioned by the Church as part of the liturgical celebration.


In fact: Protestants would be contradicting themselves. During the Reformation of the heretic Luther, Catholic churches were seized and used for worship by the Protestants. They did not raze the beautiful Catholic ("pagan") churches but instead used it and performed their worship services inside those great basilicas. They also claim to "christianize" it by holding their "christian" services there.

Would it make Protestant worship in those beautiful Catholic ("pagan") churches be an abomination to God?

[MasterK]

kahinumdom ko ako amigo dili modawat pinaskohan kay buhat sa mga pagano kuno. modawat kuno siya basta dili tawgon ug pinaskohan. nakaingon gud ko dili diay sa tanan higayon maau ang papanghatag kay naa sad diay mga tinuohan nga sayop ang paghinatagay sa rason nga pasko karon ako sad imbitaron pesta dili sad. ako giingnan tua may adobo didto nga gimantikan ug edible oil dayon gibutangan ug pineapple juice ug sibuyas. ingon siya "beh kato lang be ako lang to agwantahon kaw wala man to gisaal sa mantika sa baboy" joke

mao ni iya istorya:

kay sa roman pagan god kuno na or si satan nagcamouflage ra ug jesus christ.

kana Diyos pagan sad: Zeus => Deus => Dios => bisaya Diyos

Yawa ilaha kay gikan sa YHVH=> Yaweh => Yehowa => Yaweh => Yawah => bisaya Yawa

Yesowa sad ila gyud dili gyud sila anang Jesus kay takoban (camouflage) ra ni satanas.


pero wla pa si Mr. google ato panahona. karon pa toh, ako unta to siya pangutan-on kung kaila bah siya ni Yahoo? LOL

ambot kaha naa bah sad kha silay mga brad diri sa istorya. wala pa man sad ko kabasa naay prehas ato niya diri. pero infairness sa ako amigo taas sad toh siya regards sa "respect".

[newbie.86]

@ Breakeven, defender, and other "bible-only Christians": mao ni'y challenge nako ninyo mga bro:

Asa sa bible makita ang EXACT DATE sa natawhan ni Kristo? Hatagi ko ug capitulo bersikulo para makasulti ko nga dili pud na BOTBOT inyoha. Bible ONLY ra man kaha inyoung gituohan. You will contradict yourself if you go beyond the bible or if you believe in human or extra biblical interpretation.

Kay ang scholars nga inyong gi quote, FALLIBLE (prone to error) pud na sila. Dili ABSOLUTE nga exacto ilang interpretation.

[newbie.86]

kahinumdom ko ako amigo dili modawat pinaskohan kay buhat sa mga pagano kuno. modawat kuno siya basta dili tawgon ug pinaskohan. nakaingon gud ko dili diay sa tanan higayon maau ang papanghatag kay naa sad diay mga tinuohan nga sayop ang paghinatagay sa rason nga pasko karon ako sad imbitaron pesta dili sad. ako giingnan tua may adobo didto nga gimantikan ug edible oil dayon gibutangan ug pineapple juice ug sibuyas. ingon siya "beh kato lang be ako lang to agwantahon kaw wala man to gisaal sa mantika sa baboy" joke

mao ni iya istorya:

kay sa roman pagan god kuno na or si satan nagcamouflage ra ug jesus christ.

kana Diyos pagan sad: Zeus => Deus => Dios => bisaya Diyos

Yawa ilaha kay gikan sa YHVH=> Yaweh => Yehowa => Yaweh => Yawah => bisaya Yawa

Yesowa sad ila gyud dili gyud sila anang Jesus kay takoban (camouflage) ra ni satanas.


pero wla pa si Mr. google ato panahona. karon pa toh, ako unta to siya pangutan-on kung kaila bah siya ni Yahoo? LOL

ambot kaha naa bah sad kha silay mga brad diri sa istorya. wala pa man sad ko kabasa naay prehas ato niya diri. pero infairness sa ako amigo taas sad toh siya regards sa "respect".

Bro, you are referring to language. Wala nakahibaw unsay tinuod nga pangan sa Ginoo.

Gift giving is not a MANDATORY, walay nagpugos nimo. As i said, it is a secular extra biblical tradition. Wala namugos ang simbahan nga manghatag ka og gift or dili during christmas. OK ra gihapon as long as you celebrate Christmas in honoring the Savior.


The latin Deus did not descend from the Greek Zeus, but Greek and Latin are separate branches of Proto Indian European language. This is a nonspecific term for divinity.

India has DEVA.
Aeolic Greek has zdeus

With regard to your istorya sa etymology sa terms, wala jud na scholarly basis but googling the internet will help you a lot.

Back to topic lang ta Bro.

[nio1234]

december 25 siguro ts

[newbie.86]

@noy

dili pod siguro nato kalimtan or ibalewala ang mga sinaunang kristohanon bay. kay dapat ta makahibaw sa ilang kaagi. Murag wala man siguro nag pinatyanay ang mga catholics ug christians atong time ma bay. The catholics kill those christians man bay. The Roman Empire has gone through several incarnations. There was the political Rome of Jesus' day. As it declined, the spiritual Roman Empire of the Popes replaced it. They virtually ruled over the kings of Europe for the next 1000 years. The era was befittingly called "the Dark Ages." During the Dark Ages, a European king could not hope to retain his kingdom unless he had the blessing of Rome.

Anyone who claimed to be a Christian during those days also had to acknowledge the supremacy of the Pope, or face the Inquisition. The Roman Church burned tens of thousands of true Christians at the stake for refusing to accept that doctrine.

Following the Protestant Reformation, the authority of the Papacy waned in some parts of Europe, but not all. Both Charlemagne and Napoleon claimed their intent to restore the Holy Roman Empire as justification for their military conquests. After Napoleon's defeat, the power of the Papacy declined. The Popes of Rome no longer dictate to kings, they retain their influence over populations. To this day, the "Kings" of the earth still kneel in audience with the Pope.

With respect to sincere Roman Catholics who have personally received Christ as their Savior and Lord and to those who are evaluating the claims of Christ on their lives, I must point out that the Church of Rome today does not teach "for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints." (Jude 1:3). Instead they have added the baggage of 1500 years of tradition to the original doctrines of Christianity. Most or all of that added teaching originated in pagan or "mystery Babylon." Today the Church of Rome is doctrinally a mixture of Babylonian paganism and Christianity. That is why it is a far cry from "for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints."

Dark Ages -- the time when Catholics preserved learning in Europe in the great monasteries, building of towns in missionary areas that is why every European town has a church at the very center. It is where they conducted their studies, was the center of economy and paved the way for modern civilization. The time when great missionary works were accomplished despite barbarian invasions. There is no denying of the fact that the great European Civilization was built on Catholic tradition. While the leadership has not always acted perfectly, some Popes were so corrupted to exceed the pagans, but the Church has always been true to its mission to bring Christ and civilize the people. Despite the attacks perpetuated form outside and by the leadership itself on the Church, saints sprang as a saving grace to reinvigorate the Church and to accomplish Christ's mission despite these challenges.

The Church has been under Divine Guarantee as promised by Jesus and proved by History. The Vatican was sacked by Muslim Invaders in the 9th CE, Rome was sieged in the 15th century looting and destroying everything, and the Pope was kidnapped by Napoleon during the French revolution. Royal families, empires, heresies came and went but the Church still stands up to this day.


You could put up any lies and slander against the Church but your lies will always be overshadowed by the truth anyway. So no worries there.

Catholic Church: Builder of Civilization

[SioDenz]

Yawa ilaha kay gikan sa YHVH=> Yaweh => Yehowa => Yaweh => Yawah => bisaya Yawa

Kini maoy Lingaw, grabe ang pag Morp - Gkan sa Hebrew bah na nahimung bisaya..

[newbie.86]

With respect to sincere Roman Catholics who have personally received Christ as their Savior and Lord and to those who are evaluating the claims of Christ on their lives, I must point out that the Church of Rome today does not teach "for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints." (Jude 1:3). Instead they have added the baggage of 1500 years of tradition to the original doctrines of Christianity. Most or all of that added teaching originated in pagan or "mystery Babylon." Today the Church of Rome is doctrinally a mixture of Babylonian paganism and Christianity. That is why it is a far cry from "for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints."

Bro, let me correct you:

Catholics are required to perform the three cardinal virtues of Christianity in order to be saved: faith, hope and love.
1 Corinthians 13:13

Traditions are there to serve as "guideposts" towards Christ. To accuse Catholicism as a mixture of Babylonian paganism and Christianity is all hogwash.

Better stick to the topic on this thread.

[MasterK]

Kini maoy Lingaw, grabe ang pag Morp - Gkan sa Hebrew bah na nahimung bisaya..

OT:
hehehe ambot unsa sad ila gibasihan atoh. katawa gud ko kay ako tiya nakadungog sa amo giistoryahan nakaingon gud "hoy paghilom mo diha basin kilatan baya mo"

pero OT na ni brad oi... kay di man sad ko kasugakod gyud subay ato ilaha kay di man gud ko motuo atoh ila POV. malingaw lang ko tubay2x istorya niya palabay sa oras. back to topic lang tah brad. kay nindot sad husayon ang parti sa pasko kung december ba gyud.