Kinsa jud imo gituohan kung diin jud tah gikan, ang Bible or Science?

[noy]

The simple reason was that man sinned so he killed 'em all, total annihilation to all sinners.. and to put it in another perspective for you, God did not give those people the chance to change..

i think he did, people actually laughed at Noah 'cause He was building a boat layo ra to any body of water, plus wala pa jud kaayo ga ulan ato nga time...
and in sodom and gomorah, He even challenged abraham to gather 50? righteous people and He will not destroy the cities...
then it was reduced to 30,20 then till 10...then wala najud lain...si abraham nalang iya wife..
Lot and his daughters...
i think God gave all the chances we could get..

for specifics bai, naa jud na sa bible akong gipangsulti...wala nuon koy sure sa numbers...but the concept is there...pramis! murag mao ni nga verses, Gen 18:16, 20-33

on the contrary, The great city Nineveh was spared because there were righteous found there ug others who were once deemed for destruction including their king did repent of their ways due to the warning by the profit Jonah. in Jonah 1:1, 2; 3:1-2, 5-10

[noy]

@noy bro reminder lng limit sa smiley

di diay pwede daghan ug smiley bai? if so, thanks sa reminder.

[slabdans]

di diay pwede daghan ug smiley bai? if so, thanks sa reminder.

OT = 3 ra limit

[Xian120]

naghatag na syag change bro read back sa bible b4 to nahitabo dba gi ayo silag convince ni naoh nga mahitabo na? unsay gibuhat sa taw? karon basulon nimo ang ginoo nga wa mohatag ug change?

@noy bro reminder lng limit sa smiley

Bro mana ko'g basa cguro ikaw nasad mobasa,. asa man nag preach si noah bro? diba sa iya rang mga kasilinganan, kadako sa kalibutan.. The population at the time was estimated to have been approximately at least 30,000,000... Do you think nalukop na niyag preach tanan brod? around the world? wa byay airplane sauna..

[Xian120]

i think he did, people actually laughed at Noah 'cause He was building a boat layo ra to any body of water, plus wala pa jud kaayo ga ulan ato nga time...
and in sodom and gomorah, He even challenged abraham to gather 50? righteous people and He will not destroy the cities...
then it was reduced to 30,20 then till 10...then wala najud lain...si abraham nalang iya wife..
Lot and his daughters...
i think God gave all the chances we could get..

for specifics bai, naa jud na sa bible akong gipangsulti...wala nuon koy sure sa numbers...but the concept is there...pramis! murag mao ni nga verses, Gen 18:16, 20-33

on the contrary, The great city Nineveh was spared because there were righteous found there ug others who were once deemed for destruction including their king did repent of their ways due to the warning by the profit Jonah. in Jonah 1:1, 2; 3:1-2, 5-10

what about the people in certain parts of the world or country? were they spared from the flood also, or did they suffer the same dreadful fate?

then right after it was incest.. eww

Ya, ill take your word for it.. but what about the children?

[noy]

OT = 3 ra limit

mao bah?..hahaha...thanks bai basin ug dili na literalon pagsunod atong forum rules...Lol

[slabdans]

what about the people in certain parts of the world or country? were they spared from the flood also, or did they suffer the same dreadful fate?

then right after it was incest.. eww

Ya, ill take your word for it.. but what about the children?

mao ba bro so sala nas gino-o? kanang pagpatay ni Jesus bro waka mangutana nganong gitugot sa gino-o nga patyon sya in fact anak man unta syas gino-o ug nasayod pa man gani sya nga mamatay sya.

[Xian120]

you have a point jud bai...
to be honest with you, as of the moment i do not have definite answers yet about what to tell my kids about creation...

but i think i would tell them in a way that their age would understand.. and to their level of maturity basing on what kind of questions they ask..
and for sure when the time comes that they would throw questions you're throwing at me now they would have grown in age and in wisdom already...perhaps we can discuss about serious stuff

about what's literal or not, i think it goes with our maturity,backed up with experience and personal research and studies...
before,i too believed that God really did create the universe and everything we see in 6 days literally, now i still do but more on philosophically and logically i'd like to say scientifically but i don't know if i am eligible...hahaha
all because of what science has discovered..about the age of the universe,earth...about evolution...
so i searched for other insights,other interpretations so to speak...
at least the search shed some light on the confusion...but then again, i can only assume and hope that i am right...
'cause after all, i think we can both agree that no one alive today know the absoluteness of the absolute truth...

to say such is a miracle or not is relative...
i'm sure i consider many things to be a miracle that you won't..
in the same way that blessings in disguise are just chances to others
but i think we can both agree that no one really knows how God would reveal himself if he was real...
whether through natural cause/means or through something magical...
probability and chance might even be the work of His hands, who knows?
if out of something random,something specific came forth...well i think that's pretty contradicting in a beautiful way
then again in this part, we are nothing but speculators.

I think the best way still is to provide them with different insights, without any sort of notion of hell and whatnot, let them think freely on their own, i dont mind telling them stories from the bible, i guess i could pick some, sure why not, but making it seem real is not something i would do...

I wont mind making them believe that the earth was created in matter of Billions of years by some cosmic event...
I wont mind making them believe that our ancestors are ugly hairy freaking homo sapiens..
I wont mind telling them about dinosaurs
I wont mind not making them believe in heaven and hell

I just want for my kids to be rational and intellectually free.. free from guilt of sin but still do good..

[noy]

what about the people in certain parts of the world or country? were they spared from the flood also, or did they suffer the same dreadful fate?

then right after it was incest.. eww

Ya, ill take your word for it.. but what about the children?

after the flood bai, kay noah's kids were able to bring their wives man..
pero mao lagi...first cousin to first cousin...guro...who knows...if naa man gani incest ato nga time...
sakto...eww jud! hahahaha...but the Law against breeding within the family was not given until the time moses i guess...
so technically, abraham,isaac and jacob were outside the incest Law...

about the death of the children bai,i really couldnt expound in details theologically but my understanding about it..
is that their death are merely a product of their parents disobedience..
and with regard to their innocence, as children we are inclined to what kind of examples our parents lead diba? so most likely kadtong mga bata basin mao2x ra pud to ug style sa ilang ginikanan...

but granted that they were really innocent..
their death is of no difference to the death of many children in our present time caused by people's abuse in nature,power and everything else...like bad things happening to good people..like innocent people getting bombed...

but if after life,heven and hell were real bai, i am sure, if they are really as innocent as how you perceived them to be..
with eternal glory in Heaven, wala najud to silay plano mabalik pa sa atong kalibutan(which other regard as a living hell,though para nako it is a little extreme..hehehe)

let's say they were the pre christianity martyrs..again opinion lamang kining akoa..
'cause i too questioned God exactly the same questions you have now..in the words of bears grill...
this is just my 2 cents..hahahaha...

OT: musta na kaha si bears grill sah?

[Xian120]

mao ba bro so sala nas gino-o? kanang pagpatay ni Jesus bro wa ka mangutana nganong gitugot sa gino-o nga patyon sya in fact anak man unta syas gino-o ug nasayod pa man gani sya nga mamatay sya.

Roman Catholic ka bro? sa di pa tika tubagon mangutana sa ko nimo,

how can he be the son of God if he is God himself?

If Jesus is God then nganong mag ampo pman siya? he and the father are one bya, kinsa paman iyang ampo-an nga siya rman diay ang giampoan niya, be tubaga kuno na hahaha... ikaw ra jud answer ani ha way lain kay para imo mani..