Kinsa jud imo gituohan kung diin jud tah gikan, ang Bible or Science?

[noy]

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Am I supposed to believe that God exists in a Heaven above us, that he inspired persons to write the Bible which we live by and that he’s coming back someday when the only proof you have of this is the Bible. One source cannot prove itself and one source is never enough.

hi bro, kindly check this link..The Bible | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry
it will give you great insights about the bible's authenticity. thanks

[noy]

This is why religion has so much hold over people. People will never be content with just not knowing the answers. They have to know the answer and if they can't find it, they like to slap god on it, so that they can sleep comfortably at night in their cradle of ignorance. Life is full of mysteries yes, but there are answers out there, and they won't be found if you'd just stopped and said, "oh it must be god". That doesn't really answer anything now does it?

a persons discontent is evident in the Continuously growing discoveries of Science. improvements in Technology. expanding territories, growing businesses
and building another goal after reaching the initially considered "highest goal"
just the postive side, how about increaseing greed, hatred, sloth, immorality.
addiction..that just shows that man is bound to increase in every way
so how can you explain that? how can you explain why each person longs to increase as if each of us are trying to Fit something eternal in our Limited lives...if you remember sa una, muingun ka nga kung naa lang ko ani, naa lang ko ana...ok na kaau ko...by the time you reach those goals as long as there is still an oppurtunity to grow and expand...maski pag ok na ka...or maski pa gani sobra na...
you'd still grab the oppurtunity of course by that time perhaps for another level of purpose..so tubaga daw na bai? nganu dili man makontento ang tao?
with that kind of longing,and knowing that one day mamatay ta...it doesn't make sense unless eternity is for real.

Relative? What's relative about the harm, pain and suffering inflicted to millions of people and infants in the bible? Just and righteous? You call child sacrifice just and righteous? What about god's tolerance for slavery? Or the oppression of women's rights? You can interpret it however you want but do not try to justify human suffering based on a biased point of view. You can enumerate all the good things about your god however way you want but do not even try to ignore or justify all the bad things. That's just cheap and insincere.

relative in the sense that you do not possess a 100% knowledge about what is right and wrong.
if you really examine the tragedies in the bible,you may wanna read it not as an aetheist but as a person who questions perhaps you can get see things from another perspective..after all...even if you dont believe in God..i think you still believe that judging prematurely is not good..plus do you have all the resources and do you know every single detail and every possible explanation from all points of view to call God a murderer? that's why it is relative.
from my POV,
it is because of disobedience and rebelion from God.
in the same way that we suffer from greed, hatred, corruption today.
Laws were given, consequesnces were laid over, chances were given over time..
but disobedience prevailed. and yes freewill has everything to do with it.
this link provides greater insight, i do hope you would check it
Apologetics Press - Killing, Murder, and the Bible

Yeah, send his son (which is also him? O.o) to sacrifice himself to himself? (O.o) In order to save humans from original sin, which could have been avoided completely if he'd just let everyone start with a clean slate the moment they are born. Yeah, makes a lot of sense.

i'd like to give my POV on this bai but perting taasa..so i took the liberty of looking online...and i agree with what this guy has to say about Jesus' sacrifice..
please take time to read, it wouldn't cost you anything anyway
Why did Jesus have to die for our sins? | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

No, I don't think the bible is a good model on the subject of morality I'm sorry. You can only cause so much suffering only to sacrifice yourself to yourself and have it be called selfless love before you start to look like a complete diabolical maniac.

again that is relative and you obviously misunderstood what selfless means..
of course the bible does not suggest we crucify ourselves just like what Jesus did...what for? Jesus already did the sacrifice...
our part is to keep His commandments..
which is of course to die in Sin,die in selfeshness,lust and greed die in all
things that can make us happy but somehow make others weep...selfless is pretty self explanatory in loving others as ourselves..
i suggest you read the bible more often..

Sadly, this is one of the most ignorant (and prejudiced!) misconceptions out there, as well as the most common. Otherwise intelligent people seem to lack the imagination to understand how moral behavior doesn't necessarily have to come from the dictates of a deity. (In fact, when you think about it, it's frightening to think that the only reason you're not murdering me right now is that a Big Ghost told you not to do it.)

again you need to read the bible more often

Reality is not necessarily the truth? Where are you at? Wonderland? See now you're just bending the semantics to fit your argument.

reality is we believe there is no God,heaven and hell..all are just myths
Truth is, you caould also be wrong..unless you know what truth is?
of course i am not talking about our individual truths...but the absolute truth...
therefore our reality is not necessarily the TRUTH. oki?

Who wrote the bible exactly? How many times has it been translated from its original language? With each iteration taken from and added to according to relevance from generation to generation, sect to sect? You base your beliefs on this book and build your life around it. Tell me, how should I call someone who does that?

kapuy explain bai, might as well check this link
The Bible | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

It is human to have desires. One would say we are wired to be that way. The yearn for more. It is in a sense, related to our genetic predisposition to be more than what we are. Drove us from being single-celled organisms to become the dominant species of the planet. But we also live in a society that is designed to compliment that, offering us a new opportunity to expand and grow at every step. I think the more appropriate question would be: "Why are humans greedy?"

well not all are greedy though...but everyone is trying to increase one way or another...well psychologically and process wise..you have point...we do are wired that way, so that answers the question How...
but i believe the question started with a why? so why can't we stop increasing/improving again? knowing the fact that we all die someday...
if God does not exist, it just wouldn't make sense...

What matters is how you spend the rest of the insignificant years of your life. And religion will fvck you up real good in that department.

what's up with religion man? i'm beginning to think you have personal hateful issues..you remind me of myself many years back...Lol

Well then, given the fact that that said god has not given or done anything to prove or affirm that everything in the bible is true in an observable way that can be recorded, shared, played-back and verified, I would still say my position is logical even if god in fact were true and I would spend eternity in hell. I think that would be more exciting than spending an eternity in heaven praying anyway. How awfully boring that must be.

given the fact that you do not really know How God would reveal His proofs to you, and given the fact that you do not possess 100% knowledge of everything esp when it comes to what comes after this life..then clearly the factual statement you made about God not being able to show proofs is nothing else but an opinion, a POV nothing more..
therefore, your factual statement being an opinion and a POV
still has the possibility of being false. therefore clinging to it until death would not be entirely logical. you might wanna reconsider your approach.

bai don't get me wrong ha, i respect your POV..i reason and argue with you 'cause that is the nature of this thread..
though you do not believe in God, but i do hope and pray you would not entirely close your door for Him..after all, we both agreed that none of us hold an absolute truth about our claims...Godspeed

[digitalartistbem]

@Chrysley

No offense mi amigo, but I think you can try reading the bible cover to cover then ask these questions. Ang imo man gud mga questions kay taas kaayo i explain murag balik jud xa sa very basic (I've been a Christian for 7 years, and well I still have a lot to learn about the goodness of God by asking my mother, my mom is a pastor, unsa pa kaha tong wala jud nag study sa bible or even study but not prayed to understand ever?. I am learning how God works everyday in mylife, loving Him is knowing Him and even sharing Him to others. Sharing is not arguing by the way ...we're not that perfect to know all things ya know), if you are just seeking arguments, I think it's too useless for atheist, (am I korek ur atheist?).

And yeah, I agree, why argue or bother other peeps if you really believe there is no such person called GOD right? Basta kay happy ka, okay najud, you wont really care about other's belief, but if curious ka not looking for arguments with open mind, then start reading the bible, after that, ask right questions.

I am not looking for arguments also, but really want to share true LOVE that comes from GOD to everyone - this is what I believe hap! And seriously, we don't force people to like God, people eventually or surprisingly realized it on their own when their hearts start to seek the Creator....Knees bent automatically and no one could ever explained that even science...

Kay we Christians also read science books or research too, not bible alone. For me - Bible is so real. If you defend your belief nga wala jud lagi si God ni exist unya ma mugos jud ka sa Christian, wala nako mahims ana. Ang faith baya is a gift, and no one can steal it from us ya know. Peace bro. This is just a suggestion mi amigo. You can ignore it and go on with life hehehehe

Oh and another suggestion, listen to Rick Warren, he's a really great teacher, I think he accepts questions through email. You can check his videos sa saddleback.com, or also Dr. Charles Stanley, he also answers your questions through mail, or email, check his videos on intouch.org too...complete info with sermon outlines for you to study..I even saw episodes where Dr Stanley receives questions from Atheist.

@noy, really helpful, saving the links and will share it to famly and church and to blogs, hehehe....

[digitalartistbem]

Well then, given the fact that that said god has not given or done anything to prove or affirm that everything in the bible is true in an observable way that can be recorded, shared, played-back and verified, I would still say my position is logical even if god in fact were true and I would spend eternity in hell. I think that would be more exciting than spending an eternity in heaven praying anyway. How awfully boring that must be.

That for me is really scary, what if proven nga hell is real? I just want to share to you this info ha, it's up to you if you believe or not (then ignore it).... hehehe

Dr. Azzacove - Russian Scientist

The following article appeared in the well respected Finland newspaper, Ammenusastia

"As a communist I don’t believe in heaven or the Bible but as a scientist I now believe in hell," said Dr. Azzacove. "Needless to say we were shocked to make such a discovery. But we know what we saw and we know what we heard. And we are absolutely convinced that we drilled through the gates of hell!"

Dr. Azzacove continued, ". . .the drill suddenly began to rotate wildly, indicating that we had reached a large empty pocket or cavern. Temperature sensors showed a dramatic increase in heat to 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit."

"We lowered a microphone, designed to detect the sounds of plate movements down the shaft. But instead of plate movements we heard a human voice screaming in pain! At first we thought the sound was coming from our own equipment."

"But when we made adjustments our worst suspicions were confirmed. The screams weren’t those of a single human, they were the screams of millions of humans!"

Hischool pman ko ani, naa toy CD sauna 3 parts, naa pud ni sa youtube ang recorded sound sa ilalum....geez, really frightening, and to think it's called eternity. And the bible even explained nga you will feel the pain forever, mga worms will eat your flesh, you will shout forever...

Check this out: The Truth About Hell

I believe in the Bible so I believe there is hell and heaven, but talking about science, if there is hell then there at the bottom, so there should also be an opposite place or direction hehehe....

Just sharing.....

[noy]

unsai naka detailed? meaning 2012 years old pa ang earth?

2012 is the number of years after Jesus' death bro..
mao we call it 2012AD which means After Death.

[isparkol]

both oi hahahahaha

[slabdans]

gihimo naman noon debate area ni,nangutana raman unta ang TS ani kung kinsa gyud ang gituohan kung diin gyud gikan science ba or bible

dia ray e click ni
unya pag dpa gyud mo matagbaw dia pa click dri

[whiteKelso]

istorya ra man na ang bible..

[Xian120]

mao jud, compilation of stories

[psychologic]

yes, stories with prediction. kon d ka patoo sa unsay nakasulat aw, sunogon lage daw.... huhuhuh.. unsaon nalang.