Questions for the Atheists

[Xian120]

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OT: hehe ganahan ta ko mo reply didto sa pikas but Trinity mn to gud nya wa kay koy knowledge about it..

[Xian120]

akong pangutana kay...

makahimo ba ang ginoo ug bato nga dili niya maalsa?

haha dili mani para sa mga atheist, para ni sa mga theist, but if i was a theist this is how i would answer it..

asking if God can lift a heavy stone that he cant carry is a valid argument.. if we are talking about God that is everything like Spinoza's God then the answer would be, NO, for if God is everything then inorder for Him to make a heavy stone that he would carry he would then have to make it outside himself, then making something outside himself will be impossible since if God is everything then he can only make something within himself, so if it is within himself he can very well indeed carry it.

But when we talk about an omnipotent God then the answer is YES, but God being all powerful can always make and take gravity so as to aid him in carrying it, so in some degree he can always carry the stone notwithstanding it's massive weight.. but weight might not exist in God's all powerful mind for it too is just a product of human language to explain the amount of the objects effect on gravity to which God created in the first place..

[_hizuka_]

akong pangutana kay...

makahimo ba ang ginoo ug bato nga dili niya maalsa?

yes....



ok, next question please....

[noy]

@xian,

kasabut jud kaau ko sa imung gisulti bai, about getting trapped within religious walls and doctrines..
i even have these feelings maski karun..and i also agree that people should not stop questioning,gaining an increase of knowledge(that alone is again another one of the mysteries why i consider that God does exist)...
in Christianity, i dunno with other religion..
God is taught and said to be everlasting and increasing in glory...and that He created us in His image and likeness?
it could actually be the answer why we alwasy ought to increase...
but obviously lahi ta ur reaction towards those fellings..

i question my faith most of the time, i tried to seek answers from people who know better than me about the subject..
from time to time i check with aetheism's point of view, other religion's point of view...
and compare them with my faith, apparently Christianity still awes me...though it is possible that i could be wrong jud...but i could still say nga wala pa nako matugkad tanan regarding Christinaity that's why it would be
premature for me to consider leaving it..but i guess i never will at least in this lifetime...

what if questions are inevitable man jud bai 'cause this life is full of uncertainties..
if you are to ask me, what if sayop akong gituhoan about God,salvation and hereafter..
then that's just it...i made a mistake. but then again it is not the only reason for my belief..
that is merely the logical and practical side of it..but it is not all...otherwise i wouldn't be
defending my faith.

my apologies if somehow i had misconceptions about aetheism along the way, that's why i always apologize when i criticize it 'cause
dili jud ko sweto about it..but i know nga a person who considers himself as an aetheist does not believe in the concept of God
or any deity,possible anything that deals with supernaturals and paranormals..and will always base their belief on physical proofs
basing on how you defined aetheism, i think i got the idea pretty right..

now since, we cannot use physical proof as basis for our argument, cause physical proof cannot prove nor disprove that God really exist, but on believers side, no physical proof is needed kay
apart from the bits and pieces of physical proof
which is relative pa jud, we have our faith(is the direct link between man and God,matud pas gi post ni digital..hehehe)
plus, naa pa jud possibiility nga mao wa ta kita ug physical proof kay atong knowledge about physical proofs is not yet at its fullness..so basically if we are to prove or disprove God, dili ta ka rely sa physical evidences,at least not just yet..kay even as we speak,nihit ra jud kaau..

so mao ga focus ko sa mga what if, because somehow, philosophical and logical arguments can show at least a hint of progress sa atong discussion...
plus i think we can both agree nga tuod man mas daghan kag nahibaw.an sa ako about physical and sicientific claims about God's inexistence but still atong nahibal.an is dili gihapun enough as credentials para magamit nato sa kining mao nga argument...

so if its ok with you mangutana unta ko:let's say wala pa kunohay ka naka decide to embrace aetheism..
pretend2x lang bah

it is given that man would always sought to increase jud diba?and man is always inclined to side with
what is safer, this is the logical and practical way ha..
though sure ta for whatever our beliefs are but no one is really sure what the absolute truth is
concerning afterlife, God, Heaven and Hell...
given na nga we do not posses the fullness of knowledge about everything..
and for sure dili jud ka 100% nga sure nga di jud na tinuod nang naa sa bible diba?

which do you think is more practical to do when pumped up with loads of questions, discouragement, doubts about God...
to continue to search and research, ask for answers from God or any form of revelation? faith+action
or to abandon the idea of God and conclude that He is not there 'cause of the lack of physical proof.. obviously this would fall with action only...
(if Jesus words were true when He said that blessed are those who have not seen yet believed then it just makes perfect sense)
again, physical proof is still relative. some physical phenomenon may be proof for a believer but otherwise for a non-believer.

don't get me wrong bai ha, i know you have your reasons why you left your faith...
and they all valid just as my reasons are for believing...no offense meant

[Xian120]

@noy

ill just jump on answering your question..

so im gonna assume nga wa pa nko ma embrace fully ang atheism, ok..

so if ever im face with doubts about God what would i do?

I have a problem with my faith in the first place to have faced with such doubts, Einstein once said, "You cannot solve a problem from the same consciousness that created it".. if the problem is with my faith then i cannot solve it using faith alone.. somehow i have to mentally evolve if i am to solve my personal doubts, that evolution solely depends upon personal reference, 'coz for me faith should not be hand-me-downs but instead it should be personal, like your kind of faith, born out of personal reference...

faith should vary from person to person, it may share a common belief but it should have personal variations, we should continually challenge our faith and correct what we think is not right for us..

no offense taken bro..

[noy]

thanks bro,

perhaps that's what went through antony flew's head...
solving his problem from another consciousness..
flew spent almost half a century as an aetheist even labeled as the "evangelist" for aetheism
as he spent a great deal of time defending aetheism and suggesting it..
now he writes book about God.

perhaps same thing happend to CS Lewis and the rest of these aetheists
List of converts to Christianity from atheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and again , mu agree ko sa changing perspectives nga resolution for doubts and questions...
however not entirely about shifting belief systems...'cause perhaps a leap of faith might suffice..
like in my case, i started believing in God(not necessarily the Christian God,i just started with Jesus 'cause He was the only God i know at that time ) out of desperation and through a leap of faith..
even till now, i change perspectives from time to time to further understand things about my faith..
and it is working..i check out other belief systems for comparison..i check out sites about aetheism
and Islam.

so na apply ang giingun ni St.augustine nga "believe and you will understand"
and as a former believer, for sure you know what kind of life the Saint led before his covertion
he did a great deal of searching, emerged himself with several vices in pursuit of happiness
in occultism to know spiritually..
as His famous qoutation goes: "my soul is restless, till it rests in You".

change of perspective? definitely.. but change of belief system?unless examined thoroughly..(but then again,thoroughly is still relative)...so mao i'd stick with the first option lang usa,i'll work things through...

'cause it is hard to be wrong when it comes to these things..

[MasterK]

akong pangutana kay...

makahimo ba ang ginoo ug bato nga dili niya maalsa?

pareha ra man ni pangutanaha dated 10-12-2007 by @Xian120

Perhaps this is the hardest Question of all...


Can God make a stone that he can't lift?

... karon lain nasad ang nagutana. wala pa gyud diay ni naklaro unsay tubag?

[Xian120]

i keep on hearing the name of Antony Flew lately..

well their conversion are their own, like i said, faith should be according to personal reference,. Flew and Lewis are both fine intellectuals, worthy of praise..

and since you brought that link up the second time, let me bring up my own..
List of converts to Nontheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
and do take the liberty to add my name on the list

i have my shares of leap of faith also, i am because i did such leap.. i respect your faith, may you continue to grow and uncover more from your faith,. spiritual faith truly is a source of wonderful things once we begin to muster it,.

ya ive read the life of St. Augustine before, but nainis lang ko kay wa jud gi mention sa among Cathecist sauna nga perverted diay na siya sauna hahaha, but it didnt change my perception about him though, nindot mana siya ug mga writings gud,, same sila ni Francis de Sales katong idol ni St. John Bosco, nindot sila ug Philosophy kay gentle, in my opinion, in fact ive read the book of Francis de Sales katong Introduction to a Devout Life back in my college days, nindt sad to nga source for spiritual inspiration..

Perspective is just another form of belief system if not the same.. but maybe mausab nato ang usa ka part sa atong belief system, kung unsa aw depende ra coz again, like i said, personal preference.. kong unsay mas maka ayo sa imoha mao na... mao nang ako kong naa koy anak di ko ganahan mahimo siya nga atheist just because his daddy is, ganahan ko nga siya mismo ang maka realize sa iyang kaugalingon nga kamatuoran, kong ganahan siya mag Catholic or any Religious affiliations nga iyang gusto di nko siya pugngan, but if maabot ang time nga maka decide siya nga mamahimo nga atheist then i will show him/her how to handle atheism in a right way.. tagaan nko siya'g choices and it is up for him/her to decide.

[Xian120]

pareha ra man ni pangutanaha dated 10-12-2007 by @Xian120



... karon lain nasad ang nagutana. wala pa gyud diay ni naklaro unsay tubag?

hahaha na trace lage nimo bro? hahahaha, bitaw mao na akong kinaunhan nga gipangutana sauna dri sa istorya...

[Sol_Itaire]

anyone here a follower of thich nhat hanh?