Order Of The Hermetic Gold And Rose Cross (OHGRC) In Cebu?

[Sinyalan]

Agree with you SR. In the anime series of Full Metal Alchemist, the story is all about philosopher stone nga maghatag ug magick to revive a dead person or take the other person from another world. On a related note, there is a coming book of Dan Brown titled... Holy Grail. I read his interview about the new book and based on his interview, that there is a conspiracy, denial, magick - that relates to the elixir and the stone... the guardians and so on...

So, there will be or must be hermetists that are part of his research guides.

[abuot]

hermeticism is a religion? hmmm... i thought it's a school of magik. i don't think we can call it a religion... it's too outdated. there is no such thing as a philosophers stone... it's simply impossible and so far wala pa gyud naka hatag ug evidence na ni exist ning butanga.

not really a relgion,sir..as stated sa akong first post, hermeticism is just a set of belief which could be alloyed with other religions. ang pinaka sikat is ang Quaballah which is a stem of Judaism..na blend pud ni siya sa Islam katong panahon sa mga crusades..pwde sad sa Buddhism or even Catholic..

kanang philosopher's stone kay karaan ra na nga concept..katong pa nang panahon nga nagtuo ang mga scientist pwede ma transmutate ang metals into gold pero sa karon kahibaw naman ta nga impossible na..Alchemy nowadays,in hermetic point of view, is directed into man's soul and spirit..the philospher's stone is no longer a material object but a spiritual concept to transform our raw humanly spirit into a well-developed all-knowing being.

[shoeless_rebel]

not really a relgion,sir..as stated sa akong first post, hermeticism is just a set of belief which could be alloyed with other religions. ang pinaka sikat is ang Quaballah which is a stem of Judaism..na blend pud ni siya sa Islam katong panahon sa mga crusades..pwde sad sa Buddhism or even Catholic..

kanang philosopher's stone kay karaan ra na nga concept..katong pa nang panahon nga nagtuo ang mga scientist pwede ma transmutate ang metals into gold pero sa karon kahibaw naman ta nga impossible na..Alchemy nowadays,in hermetic point of view, is directed into man's soul and spirit..the philospher's stone is no longer a material object but a spiritual concept to transform our raw humanly spirit into a well-developed all-knowing being.

well said.. but then again... i wasn't referring to your post. i was just posting my comment on the subject

[Sinyalan]

Very interesting discussion guys...

I also think that there is/was corelation of Hellenistic system of occultism that flourished in Egypt in the first centuries C.E. It persisted as a living tradition in the city of Haran in Syria as late as the tenth century, when its leading exponent, Thabit ibn Qurra, established a pagan Hermetic school in Baghdad.

[The_Child]

I was once interested with hermetics one time, highschool years nako. Read abit of Bardon, and a bit of Corpus Hermetica sakto ba ang title? in english translation, read other occultic literature, but it seems though nga i found it a little eccentric and i totally left that interest in the highschool past. but now somebody open up the topic, i am quite interested how you guys would look at it.

[peg]

naka encounter ko ani sauna. i tried kanang murag tabletas.

sometimes confusing man ilang texts. obscure. it may mean something but the other thing diay.
esoteric and secret, for a reason..
pero i dont know asa jud gikan ilang mga texts. basin himo-himo lang pud.. d ko sure.

@ abuot,
unsa diay imo purpose ni study ka ani?

[abuot]

@ abuot,
unsa diay imo purpose ni study ka ani?

fascination, intrigue and soul searching

..though it may sound blasphemous, but it does reinforce my catholic beliefs and gives me a sense of reason for my existence

[ej___]

Ambot lang kung dili ba ni against sa Roman Catholic Religion.

"What does Hermetics really mean?
If we look at common sources, for example

In the Webster dictionary it says.
Hermetic:
her.met.ic also her.met.i.cal adj [NL hermeticus, fr. Hermet-, Hermes Trismegistus] (1605) 1 often cap a: of or relating to the Gnostic writings or teachings arising in the first three centuries a.d. and attributed to Hermes Trismegistus b: relating to or characterized by occultism or abstruseness: recondite 2 [fr. the belief that Hermes Trismegistus invented a magic seal to keep vessels airtight] a: airtight <~ seal> b: impervious to external influence <trapped inside the ~ military machine --Jack Newfield> c: recluse, solitary <leads a ~ life> -- her.met.i.cal.ly adv

Who was this Hermes Trismegistus?
In the Oxford illustrated Dictionary second edition, it says.
Hermetic:
adj. Of Hermes Trismegistus; of alchemy, magical
alchemical; ~ seal, sealing, air-tight closeure of vessel, esp. glass vessel, by fusion, soldering, or welding. Hermetically adv.

Ironically just before this entry on the same page we have.
Hermes: (-z).
1. (Greek Myth)
Son of Zeus and Maia; represented as messenger of the gods,
god of science, commerce, eloquence, etc., identified by the Romans with Mercury, and represented as a youth with winged rod (caduceus), brimmed hat (petasus), and winged shoes (talaria).
2. ~ Trismegistus ('thrice-greatest'), name given by Neo-Platonists etc. to Egyptian god Thoth, regarded as author of all mysterious doctrines and esp. of secret of alchemy.

So as far as the dictionaries are concerned we have Hermes Trismegistus to thank for Hermetics.
It even sounds like it came from him Hermes, Hermetics.
But what of the word Trismegistus?
Well its a Greek word meaning

Tris = Three or triple
megistus or megistos = Great or master or great master or Magician
Like there where three titles to this man or god?

What does the encyclopedia Britannica have to say about Hermes Trismegistus?
Well only one entry came up when searching just the name Trismegistus.
from mysticism

Nature and significance:

The goal of mysticism is union with the divine or sacred. The path to that union is usually developed by following four stages: purgation (of bodily desires), purification (of the will), illumination (of the mind), and unification (of one's will or being with the divine). If "the object of man's existence is to be a Man, that is, to re-establish the harmony which originally belonged between him and the divinized state before the separation took place which disturbed the equilibrium" (The Life and Doctrine of Paracelsus), mysticism will always be a part of the way of return to the source of being, a way of counteracting the experience of alienation. Mysticism has always held--and parapsychology also seems to suggest--that the discovery of a nonphysical element in man's personality is of utmost significance in his quest for equilibrium in a world of apparent chaos.

Mysticism's apparent denial, or self-negating, is part of a psychological process or strategy that does not really deny the person. In spite of its lunatic fringe, the maturer forms of mysticism satisfy the claims of rationality, ecstasy, and righteousness.

There is obviously something nonmental, alogical, paradoxical, and unpredictable about the mystical phenomenon, but it is not, therefore, irrational or antirational or "religion without thought." Rather, as Zen (Buddhist intuitive sect) masters say, it is knowledge of the most adequate kind, only it cannot be expressed in words. If there is a mystery about mystical experience, it is something it shares with life and consciousness. Mysticism, a form of living in depth, indicates that man, a meeting ground of various levels of reality, is more than one-dimensional. Despite the interaction and correspondence between levels--"What is below is like what is above; what is above is like what is below" (Tabula Smaragdina, "Emerald Tablet," a work on alchemy attributed to Hermes Trismegistus)--they are not to be equated or confused. At once a praxis (technique) and a gnosis (esoteric knowledge), mysticism consists of a way or discipline.

The relationship of the religion of faith to mysticism ("personal religion raised to the highest power") is ambiguous, a mixture of respect and misgivings. Though mysticism may be associated with religion, it need not be. The mystic often represents a type that the religious institution (e.g., church) does not and cannot produce and does not know what to do with if and when one appears. As William Ralph Inge, an English theologian, commented, "institutionalism and mysticism have been uneasy bedfellows." Although mysticism has been the core of Hinduism and Buddhism, it has been little more than a minor strand--and, frequently, a disturbing element--in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. As the 15th- to 16th-century Italian political philosopher Niccolò Machiavelli had noted of the 13th-century Christian monastic leaders St. Francis and St. Dominic, they had saved religion but destroyed the church.

The founders of religion may have been incipient or advanced mystics, but the inner compulsions of their experience have proved less amenable to dogmas, creeds, and institutional restrictions, which are bound to be outward and majority oriented. There are religions of authority and the religion of the spirit. Thus, there is a paradox: if the mystic minority is distrusted or maltreated, religious life loses its sap; on the other hand, these "peculiar people" do not easily fit into society, with the requirements of a prescriptive community composed of less sensitive seekers of safety and religious routine. Though no deeply religious person can be without a touch of mysticism, and no mystic can be, in the deepest sense, other than religious, the dialogue between mystics and conventional religionists has been far from happy. From both sides there is a constant need for restatement and revaluation, a greater tolerance, a union of free men's worship. Though it validates religion, mysticism also tends to escape the fetters of organized religion.

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So you see the more we dig the more we find.

And now I will leave you to get a fuller picture for yourselves."

[ej___]

Abuot,

Kumusta imo study ani bai? I also have the Book Initiation Into Hermetics about 2 years ago pa. Kaso, na bored ko and wala ko nipadayon ug basa. Somewhat maglabad ako ulo on accepting other beliefs.

[vladmire]

tsktsktsk.... lisod ni dah... pero interesting ra ba kaau..