MERGED: Vigilantism and related issues

[Hammer_and_Sickle]

usahay mn gud, kining "politics" para mas effective ka na leader, kaylangan jud nimo e-compromise ang morality, mo sulod jud ka sa grey area sa ethics, para lang maka buhat ka sa unsay angay na buhaton, sa kaso aning gibuhat ni Vice mayor Duterte, iyang gi-sugal iyang pagka-tawo para lang ma-hunong or mapatay ning carnapper/murderer na si "baktin", sa dali ug mubo na panahon. shortcut to justice ba, ka'y kung iya pang e-apply ang "due process of law" daku kaayung chance na maka-ikyas ning tawhana, maka pa bugnaw sa iyang pangalan, ug maka-pa usab sa iyang dagway,

ako uyon ko aning tagaan ug chance ning mga criminal na mag-usab,..pero dili dinhing kalibutana, kung dili adto sa lain kalibutan

de na ta mag-paka Hypocrito oy, Hugaw na kaayu atong nasud! angay na purgahon, sugod sa mga criminal na naka commit ug heinous crimes hantod sa mga dagkung criminal sa gobyerno, angay bitayon,..kung naa pa lang diri sa cebu ang malacanang, ari pa lang batasang pambansa sa cebu,..naaaaa....kalami jud e-rampage, maka among lang ug mga balig 50 ka gi-atay sa gobyerno, okay na siguro na oy..hehehehe

[Ityan]

ingna toh mga minors nanungab ug CC agents ha.. na humans sad ang ila hipangdunggab...

Ikaw lang sir ky basin dunggabon nya ta.

its all been done sir. central 911 done, police visibility everywhere, top notch police vehicles and equipment are currently being upgraded.

as per my previous post, dont criticize the way davao is being handled by our vice mayor until you experience living in our city yourself. its easy to react kung nabasa ra nimo or nakit-an sa tv. if you actually live here, you will really appreciate what the duterte's have done. limpyo ang davao halos dili ka makakita ug kalat na basura, disiplinado mga tao, dili ka iladon sa mga taxi drivers, kung musuroy ka tunga sa gabii makauli paka sa inyoha with complete gadgets and accessories, if you are a non-smoker guaranteed dili ka maka inhale ug 2nd hand smoke from public places and public transport. etc.

its slowly getting more and more like singapore really. with the way the duterte's are handling our city, investors are pouring in... 2 na kabuok among sm mall, the 1st sm mall in ecoland was just expanded, abreeza/ayala mall is already expanding, s&r is currently being constructed, new hotels are popping out like mushrooms, high rise condominiums are also popping out like mushrooms, tim tebow (from the NFL) is currently building a children's hospital here. etc etc etc.

if you lived in cebu (or any other city) all your life, and havent tried the davao lifestyle, then i think you cant fully understand the concept of the dutertes.

I see. Thanks for sharing. If his methods works well, then good. But for me, mas maayo guro if hatagan nalang ug lifetime imprisonment without possibility of parole kaysa patyon jud.

[orochimaru700]

CHR can't fcked the Duterte's, "alyas baktin" your good as dead...

[Ityan]

When the power to say whose guilty or not, or who lives and who dies becomes arbitrary, regardless of its intended goal, that is a fertile ground for abuse and corruption. On one hand, a leader is tough on lowly criminals but at the same time protecting high profiled people's "grey activities." Vigilantism is not an ideal method of purging criminals. You can be a target regardless of innocence or guilt.

Exactly. Many innocent lives will be taken if this kind of leadership goes on. How sure are we that all of those people that were killed by the vigilantes are true criminals? What if some of them are innocent? Others could be framed or alleged because of business rivalry and etc.

This is why we need due process.. This is why we need the Law.

I just remembered the movie "Law Abiding Citizen". I truly believe that some cases are not properly brought to justice due to corrupt criminal justice system. But in Yu's case, killing him because of his lowly crime(car thief) is unjust.

[peewee_toot]

Maypag kanang 5 million nga bounty ky e gasto nag special training sa mga Police sa Davao nya e upgrade ang mga equipments, vehicles, weapons and etc. Tapos daghanon ang mga roving Police... I think Duterte's method works(to stop crime) but I don't like it. Criminals are also human. Who the hell is he to take someone else's life?

victims of the criminals are also human. who the hell are those criminals to take someone else's life? esp if inosente pa jud ilang gi biktima?

[Ityan]

victims of the criminals are also human. who the hell are those criminals to take someone else's life? esp if inosente pa jud ilang gi biktima?

So you like killings sir?

[monroy]

victims of the criminals are also human. who the hell are those criminals to take someone else's life? esp if inosente pa jud ilang gi biktima?

Jesus ****ing Christ, not a single person in this thread has claimed the victims aren't humans. Congratulations on posting something against a stand nobody has made.

How about learn to address the argument that is being made, not the one that you created for yourself.

And yes, for the first ****ing time on this thread, I'm now somewhat pissed. Again, congratulations on this achievement. Your post implies that those against vigilante killings are ignorant to the sufferings of the victims and that is plainly false and stupid assumption to make.

[KlaytoN]

If his methods works well, then good. But for me, mas maayo guro if hatagan nalang ug lifetime imprisonment without possibility of parole kaysa patyon jud.

Wala man nagsulti si Duterte nga patyon si Baktin. It's either na misunderstood nimo iya pronouncement or wa jud ka kasabot sa tibuok circumstance and what usually happens when you try to arrest hardened criminals or with the same caliber..

Kanang magpost ug "Wanted: DEAD or ALIVE" ang DILG, PNP, CIDG, NBI, AFP, or even LGUs on these hardened criminals and with matching reward pa, is this also a form of vigilantism/human rights violation? IF THAT'S THE CASE AND YOUR ANSWER IS YES THEN EVERYBODY IS GUILTY AND WE SHOULD REFRAIN FROM SINGLING OUT THE DUTERTE FAMILY. Another thing we should also remember is that Duterte CANNOT and WILL NEVER impose anything without the support of the entire people of Davao City.

[reptoid]

Wala man nagsulti si Duterte nga patyon si Baktin. It's either na misunderstood nimo iya pronouncement or wa jud ka kasabot sa tibuok circumstance and what usually happens when you try to arrest hardened criminals or with the same caliber..

Kanang magpost ug "Wanted: DEAD or ALIVE" ang DILG, PNP, CIDG, NBI, AFP, or even LGUs on these hardened criminals and with matching reward pa, is this also a form of vigilantism/human rights violation? IF THAT'S THE CASE AND YOUR ANSWER IS YES THEN EVERYBODY IS GUILTY AND WE SHOULD REFRAIN FROM SINGLING OUT THE DUTERTE FAMILY. Another thing we should also remember is that Duterte CANNOT and WILL NEVER impose anything without the support of the entire people of Davao City.

Was there a referendum held? Does the Kingdom of Davao operate it's own unique legal system, separate from the rest of Philippines? There is more than tacit approval for extra-judicial killings emanating from this clan, what we are seeing is brazen abuse of authority and I don't buy for one minute the notion that Davao would collapse into chaos without their firm hand, although I strongly suspect that is precisely what they'd like the populous to believe.

[kit_cebu]

vigilantism, the idea and the support, will not flourish if both the law and its implementation is fair to everyone: rich or poor, powerful or powerless. vigilantism is a symptom that poses as a solution. and you do not cure symptoms: you cure the problematic cause.

directly, this affects/targets the ones who are drug users/pushers/peddlers who are "directly" affecting/targeting the ordinary citizens...

indirectly, this affects the businesses of the "rich and powerful" by curtailing/diminishing the "supply and demand" for their "business"....and i think it would be a good start....

there is no "cure" to this....like the common cold....


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