Satur Ocampo and Joma Sison --- Ipa Sikup sa Katawhan ug sa Kapulisan!

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ako lng ma comment kay let follow our judicial system "due process" iv heard satur, he visit our scul ones and talk, he hate ramos so much i dont knw wy nways, basta the truth will come out, if there is a smoke there is a fire..naa sad right ang nagcomplain we should also respect d widows, kaw daw patyon imo erpat knsa sad dli mahassle...dont make it big as the mouth.. basta folow the laws.. hope justice will b serve the mga biyuda dats wat i care..[br]Posted on: March 11, 2007, 05:15:21 AM_________________________________________________a ko lng ma comment kay let follow our judicial system "due process" iv heard satur, he visit our scul ones and talk, he hate ramos so much i dont knw wy nways, basta the truth will come out, if there is a smoke there is a fire..naa sad right ang nagcomplain we should also respect d widows, kaw daw patyon imo erpat knsa sad dli mahassle...dont make it big as the mouth.. basta folow the laws.. hope justice will b serve the mga biyuda dats wat i care..

[boknoyet]

Well, maingon nalang gyud cguro nato nga political ang motive ini rong kiha ni Satur. But it could be circumstancial as well. Kahibalo naman ta nga tinuod late last year lang nadiscobrehan ang killing fields sa Leyte. And to my understanding you must be a law student kay ingon god ka nga imong gipangutana imong law professor. So from that I would assume that you know what are the "procedurals" in court before a warrant of arrest could be granted from a judge. Unsa man say kalibotan nato ug sulagma lang kaayo nga na timing ron nga election time unya the facts of the case demands that this people should face the music at this time as what the RTC judge wants it to be.

Lately ingon ang taga UN nga bag-ohay lang naghatag sa iyang report- si Alsthom ba to? Nga ug niya pa one of the problems lie in our weak judicial system maong naay mga summary killings. Karon nga gisugdan na ni sila ug pangiha kay duna man gud kaha tay bala-od, ingnon dayon nga harassment. Asa man diay ta paingon ini kuno? Wala man gyud tay dag-anan pirme ini nila ba. If we want to enhance the belief that our justice system is working then kini sila rong gipangiha mo-atubang nalang sa korte and let their arguments be heard.

Ang problema gud kay makig argumento sila nga naa sa media. Adto sa Huwes kuno bi kay aron makita nato ang katag ba ug kinsa sad-an, kinsay dili.

dili ko law student pero naa koy law classes sa una. ganahan man gud ko mutuo nga circumstantial lang unta pero dagko gyud ug suspetya nga politically motivated ni. firstly, militar gud ang nikiha ani, apil sab sa kaso ni Crispin Beltran regarding the rebellion case which is so stupid because the rebellion case was about the rebellion activity they did during Marcos' time. if that allows CrispinBeltran to be arrested , then virtually anyone who had commited rebellion is subject to prosecution, GMA included. Kahibaw naman ta nga gihatagan nag amnestiya ining mga taw sa panahon pa ni Cory ug Ramos. Sakto unta nga ipadayon ang court hearing pero wala man ko kadungog ug court hearing about kang Beltran, tuo nako nga dili prosecution sa korte ang tuyo sa AFP, detention lang gyud.

[budmendz]

Kahibaw naman ta nga gihatagan nag amnestiya ining mga taw sa panahon pa ni Cory ug Ramos.

Kana cguro karon nga argumento sa gobierno nga sigun sa atong balaud, although nihatag ug amnesty ang gobierno nila kaniadto, applicable na sa mga crimes nga gi charge sila during that time. "Sa mga crimes nga nahibal-an nang daan" like rebellion kaniadtohay sa panahon ni Marcos. But the crime of murder which was never known before tungod lagi kay wa gyud madiscokbrehe, mao cguro ni ang angulo nga gitan-aw sa atong gobierno karon.

Mas maayo man gud ng muondang si Satur ug pangaturangan sa media ug kanang iyang desire nga makakuha siya ug media mileage and public sympathy ug iyang atubangon ang kiha batuk niya ug iyang i clear iyang name sa husgado kay mosamot pa unya ka embarassing na sa gobyerno kung mapilde niya. Di ba mosamot nga mawad-an ug credibility ang gobyerno nga mao nay pirme nilang gipaninguha sa mga leftists aron sila ang tuho-on sa mga tawo. This is his golden time to prove his stuff. Dili mag sige ug pagarpar sa media. Mahimo na niya, basin mobotar pa ko niya agi ug appreciation sa iyang gihimo.

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Kana cguro karon nga argumento sa gobierno nga sigun sa atong balaud, although nihatag ug amnesty ang gobierno nila kaniadto, applicable na sa mga crimes nga gi charge sila during that time. "Sa mga crimes nga nahibal-an nang daan" like rebellion kaniadtohay sa panahon ni Marcos. But the crime of murder which was never known before tungod lagi kay wa gyud madiscokbrehe, mao cguro ni ang angulo nga gitan-aw sa atong gobierno karon.

Mas maayo man gud ng muondang si Satur ug pangaturangan sa media ug kanang iyang desire nga makakuha siya ug media mileage and public sympathy ug iyang atubangon ang kiha batuk niya ug iyang i clear iyang name sa husgado kay mosamot pa unya ka embarassing na sa gobyerno kung mapilde niya. Di ba mosamot nga mawad-an ug credibility ang gobyerno nga mao nay pirme nilang gipaninguha sa mga leftists aron sila ang tuho-on sa mga tawo. This is his golden time to prove his stuff. Dili mag sige ug pagarpar sa media. Mahimo na niya, basin mobotar pa ko niya agi ug appreciation sa iyang gihimo.

korek ka budmendz. miingun pa si duke pikaso na nationalism ning gibuhat sa mga CPP-NPA-NDF. di ko mutuo nga nationalism ang tuyo sa NPA kung mag sige ra sila sinamok sa atung nasud. mao lagi nga di ta mulambo. nya gatuo pud si duke pikaso na nagpa arun arun ang mga Military na NPA para iframe up ang NPA. murag babaw ni nga pangrason. if mao ni imu gisulti, then pwede pud nga ang mga NPA mamalit ug fatigue sa siudad ug sila pud magpa arunarun para ma frame up ang military?c'mon. malanatong gubat.. while sakto ka, that doesnt change the fact na samtang kusgan kaayo ang NPA sa 1986, as wat JOMA claims, wala jud mutake the chance to take over the government. pasabot, dili kaya sa NPA magpadagan ug gobyerno and at the same time di sila ka push through kay di man ganahan ang pilipino mahimung komunista wherein almost everything is regulated. di lang gyud mo gusto magpadisiplina sa inyong mga dautang buhat mao magrebelde nalang. it will takes us a very long time..probably pareho kadugay sa imung malanatong gubat dinhi sa atung debate kung kinsa sakto sa atung duha pero ang pangutana jud,ma achieve ba jud ang equality na inyo ingun? si Maj. Noel Buan, ang captive sa NPA sa unsa, nakasaksi na mismo sa ranks sa NPA didto sa bukid..ang mga leaders ga sigarilyo ug Marlboro red unya ang mga grunts, lomboy ra? mao na pasabot ninyo sa equality? wait..murag pareha raman sa sistema sa atung lipunan. si joma mulimud na di happy happy iya gibuhat kay gi invite siya sa mga Pinoy sa netherlands for a christmas party wid ara mina. kani nga pangrason is pure illogical. even if giinvite siya, the fact that he attended it and enjoyed the company of filipinos in a comfortable manner does not change the reality that his supporters kay nagkalisud diri sa pilipinas pagpadagan sa iya mga ideas na can be considered as obsolete. hahay. kani ang sad reality. well if in ana jud ka strong inyo convictions, padayun lang mo. ug ikaw duke pikaso, bilib man jud kaayo ka nila, apil nalang didto sa ila lagi. nganu naa man ka sa siudad naga enjoy ug internet, skwela ug college and other comforts of city living?hehe [br]Posted on: March 11, 2007, 03:42:59 PM_________________________________________________

Kana cguro karon nga argumento sa gobierno nga sigun sa atong balaud, although nihatag ug amnesty ang gobierno nila kaniadto, applicable na sa mga crimes nga gi charge sila during that time. "Sa mga crimes nga nahibal-an nang daan" like rebellion kaniadtohay sa panahon ni Marcos. But the crime of murder which was never known before tungod lagi kay wa gyud madiscokbrehe, mao cguro ni ang angulo nga gitan-aw sa atong gobierno karon.

Mas maayo man gud ng muondang si Satur ug pangaturangan sa media ug kanang iyang desire nga makakuha siya ug media mileage and public sympathy ug iyang atubangon ang kiha batuk niya ug iyang i clear iyang name sa husgado kay mosamot pa unya ka embarassing na sa gobyerno kung mapilde niya. Di ba mosamot nga mawad-an ug credibility ang gobyerno nga mao nay pirme nilang gipaninguha sa mga leftists aron sila ang tuho-on sa mga tawo. This is his golden time to prove his stuff. Dili mag sige ug pagarpar sa media. Mahimo na niya, basin mobotar pa ko niya agi ug appreciation sa iyang gihimo.

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mao ni ang pinakadakong injustice...tsktsktsk


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mao ni ang pinakadakong injustice...tsktsktsk..

[toryo]

Enjoy kaayong akong uncle da.. wa lang maghuna-huna iyang mga tawo sa bukid.. kamote rag saging gikaon..mirisi pod nganong nisulod anang rebelde2..

[boknoyet]

Kana cguro karon nga argumento sa gobierno nga sigun sa atong balaud, although nihatag ug amnesty ang gobierno nila kaniadto, applicable na sa mga crimes nga gi charge sila during that time. "Sa mga crimes nga nahibal-an nang daan" like rebellion kaniadtohay sa panahon ni Marcos. But the crime of murder which was never known before tungod lagi kay wa gyud madiscokbrehe, mao cguro ni ang angulo nga gitan-aw sa atong gobierno karon.

Mas maayo man gud ng muondang si Satur ug pangaturangan sa media ug kanang iyang desire nga makakuha siya ug media mileage and public sympathy ug iyang atubangon ang kiha batuk niya ug iyang i clear iyang name sa husgado kay mosamot pa unya ka embarassing na sa gobyerno kung mapilde niya. Di ba mosamot nga mawad-an ug credibility ang gobyerno nga mao nay pirme nilang gipaninguha sa mga leftists aron sila ang tuho-on sa mga tawo. This is his golden time to prove his stuff. Dili mag sige ug pagarpar sa media. Mahimo na niya, basin mobotar pa ko niya agi ug appreciation sa iyang gihimo.

then again, why now? The killing fields of the CPP-NPA back then like Kampanyang Ahos and Oplan Olympia were discovered even during the Cory era. But it is now that the AFP is filing the cases. The point is, the AFP is the one that has to file the complaint when the families of the victims could do that. The families of the NPAs killed during kampanyang ahos could file the cases and at least this would give credibility to it. And since we have begun to talk about issues regarding the purges of the CPP-NDF we might as well unearth cases of the disaparacidos who were abducted by the military during Marcos time. this will only complicate the matter even more. but the point again is we have to see the motive behind it. I don't belive its coincidence. The military had knowledge regarding the killing fields even during the 1980s. Every leftist knows it, you could even ask the Social Democrats regarding this and they would answer to you that it was a dark phase in the CPP history. But then, the AFP could have filed this years ago. Also, it is very suspect that the cases are targeted at the National Democratic faction of the Left and not the Social Democrats (Akabayan, BISIG, IPD) or even the Rejectionists (Partido ng Manggagawa, Sanlakas) when some personalities in these groups were in the leadership of the CPP before. I think the government is trying to divide the Left into factions again as Akbayan has said in its statement--> www.Akbayan.org

[budmendz]

then again, why now? The killing fields of the CPP-NPA back then like Kampanyang Ahos and Oplan Olympia were discovered even during the Cory era. But it is now that the AFP is filing the cases. The point is, the AFP is the one that has to file the complaint when the families of the victims could do that. The families of the NPAs killed during kampanyang ahos could file the cases and at least this would give credibility to it. And since we have begun to talk about issues regarding the purges of the CPP-NDF we might as well unearth cases of the disaparacidos who were abducted by the military during Marcos time. this will only complicate the matter even more. but the point again is we have to see the motive behind it. I don't belive its coincidence. The military had knowledge regarding the killing fields even during the 1980s. Every leftist knows it, you could even ask the Social Democrats regarding this and they would answer to you that it was a dark phase in the CPP history. But then, the AFP could have filed this years ago. Also, it is very suspect that the cases are targeted at the National Democratic faction of the Left and not the Social Democrats (Akabayan, BISIG, IPD) or even the Rejectionists (Partido ng Manggagawa, Sanlakas) when some personalities in these groups were in the leadership of the CPP before. I think the government is trying to divide the Left into factions again as Akbayan has said in its statement--> www.Akbayan.org

Bai, sa akong nahibal-an ang Kampanyang Ahos was "commited" during the 80's. It was "talked about" in the second half of the 90's. When I say talked kay ang ilang internal problem sa NPA parti ana sila ray naghibal-anay kung asa ang ibedensya -meaning to say nga ang outside world like kita nga common public , although duna na tay idea ana thru the news articles nga ni exist na cya but then we cannot confirm it kay walay solid nga ebidensya. Now in the the new millineum naghinayhinay na ug panggula ang ebidensya pareho anang sa Leyte karon which tends to bolster the fact that this people in the NPA has committed this horrendous crimes.

Bai, as we all know the miltary and the CPP-NPA are arch enemies. Technically they are at war. Sa ako nang giingon, it could be nga political ang motive sa military nga gikiha karon si Satur. Pero sa gubat bay, it doesn't what is your strategy how to defeat your enemies. Lately gi criticize ang military ug ang gobyerno ug maayo tungod sa mga illegal ways nga ilang gigamit sa ilang kontra. Karon nga nisulay ang gobyerno sa "legal ways" himoon gihapon nga dautan. Sa ako nang panguta earlier? Asa man diay kuno ta paingon bi?

Ug nakadaut ra ba kay ang ubang mga Senador karon pareho ni Villar tuison ang istorya. Himoon ba ug ignorante tanang tawo. Ug ni Villar pa nga si Satur kuno gi trial by publicity. Ug ato bayang tan-awon bai, kinsa man kuno ang nagcg ug pagarpar, palaban sa media di ba si Satur? Sa akong nahibal-an, ang gobierno ni announce lang nga dakpon si Satur and that's it. Di na ka kadungog pa ug daghang echi-borechi pa nga gikan sa atong gobierno, and the fact is that Satur is in fact getting more of the media mileage. Nagtuo man gud cguro ning mga tawhana nga oras makalingkod ang mga Kumunista, magpabilin silang Villar sa ilang pagka Senador.

Ako bay dili ko lawyer, mao nga dili ko makiglalis ni Joker Arroyo kung moingon cya nga ang sala anang mga tawhana dugay nang gipasaylo ug covered sa amnesty. Ug mao sab kana karong baruganan ni Joker nga imong gisakyan ug maayo. Akong balikon lawyer na si Joker and he knows his stuff. Pero usahay maka-ingon ko nga nakalimot cguro ni cya nga lawyer cya ug nakalimot cguro cya nga ang Huwes sa Leyte lawyer. Ug nakalimot cguro cya nga duna tay bala-ud. The reason Bai nga I am not inclined to vote for Joker bisag unsa pa cya ka ngilngig nga lawyer/lawmaker is because I view him as a spoiler. Angayan pa gani unta cyang maghilum hilum kay sa admin cya and for every adversary nga ma disabled thru whatever machinations kay dunay coming nga election, it would count nga favor kaayo cya ana. But unsa iyang gibuhat? ang gobyerno pay gihimong maut... Abi kaha niya ug mudaug si Satur unya magligas sila sa puntos kung kinsay makasulod sa magic 12... unsa kaha iyang masulti no?[br]Posted on: March 11, 2007, 11:35:16 PM_________________________________________________Almost a year na... but this Bong Wenceslao's blog about one of the horrors in Kampanyang Ahos adventure.


Journal 4: Blast from the Past

From my e-mail, I received this letter from Bobby Garcia, friend of my former comrade Earl Parreno, who is now a journalist and book author. This one tackled the exhumation of the remains of three suspected deep penetration agents killed during a purge in the hinterlands of Cebu. Garcia is the chairperson of the Peace Advocates for Truth, Justice and Healing (PATH). I am not a member of the group and does not want to be one (I want to maintain a normal life as possible with my wife and kid). But there are some stories that need to be locked up for safekeeping. Excerpts of PATH people's e-mails:

[] PATH's efforts to unearth the truth of the CPP-NPA-NDF anti-infiltration campaigns in the '80s have reached a breakthrough. While finding the victims' remains is not exactly a cause to celebrate, we nevertheless share whatever sense of relief or closure their families feel.

Last November 4-6, the search and recovery team, which included forensics experts, members of PATH, FIND, and other volunteers exhumed the remains of three victims-–a couple, Jessie Libre and Nida Cabrera-Libre; and Ben-Art Valmoria-–who disappeared in Cebu in 1985. The Libres were trade union cadres and Valmoria was a full-time youth organizer in Mindanao.

Weng Libre, the couple's son, was with us. He brought his parents' remains to their hometown for burial on November 11.Ben-Art's remains are in safekeeping, ready to be claimed by his family.

[] The foremost challenge we face at PATH is to find the remains: have them returned to their families and accord the proper respects due them, if long overdue. The bodies are just out there, scattered in unmarked graves all
over the country. It is all a matter of mustering the will, finding the right persons who can accurately point to the gravesites, doing appropriate legal, technical, and security preparations, and literally doing spadework…

[] At this point, we focus on one case: that of Weng Libre, the child whose revolutionary parents were both killed in 1985. He was left in the care of an aunt who did not treat him well. A young adult now, all his life he was made to believe that a local warlord politician killed his parents, and so he grew up harboring hatred and a vengeful heart against the politician's family. It is only now that Willy got to know the truth…

[] On November 2, we started hiking in the mountains of Cebu , with our shovels, picks, and sundry search-and-dig equipment. After one week in the boondocks, we
went back…

[] We dug roughly five sites in the vicinity, and I have already prepared the following statement in the event we came home empty-handed: "It's fine. We need not be disheartened nor lose hope, but all the more be challenged. To search further, dig harder, probe deeper…"

Well, you can ignore that statement for now. Yes your lordships, we found the bodies, all three of them: the remains of Jessie and Nida Libre, and third victim, Ben-art Balmoria: all killed two decades back by people they
called, with fondness and with love, "comrades." Weng Libre, with his tear ducts and all 200 pounds of his iron-pumping flesh, will now be able to carry his beloved parents back to where they rightfully belong.

[] Here's the story by PAUL M. GUTIERREZ of People's Tonight on the presscon held by PATH members:

THE families of victims of alleged atrocities committed by the Communist Party of the Philippines (CPP) among its members in 1988 are seeking justice and the help of Congress.

In a press conference yesterday in Quezon City, Roberto 'Ka Fidel' Garcia, Rogel 'Ka Paolo/Pamboy' Navarro and Jess Marlowe Libre, also made public the result of their latest exhumation of three bodies in Cebu province who were victimized during the "Kampanyang Ahos" and the "Operation Missing Link" (OPML) campaigns allegedly initiated by the mainstream communist group from February 1988 to January 1989.

Garcia and Navarro were survivors of the OPML in Southern Tagalog while Libre was the surviving son of Jess and Nida Libre, whose bodies were among those exhumed in Sitio Bocaue, Bgy. Pamutan, Cebu City last Nov. 4 after six month of investigation and documentation.

The other body was identified as that of Ben Valmoria.

The victims were members of the "Cebu 13" who disappeared at the height of the anti-infiltration campaign in 1988, many of them assigned to organize the workers of Atlas Mining.

Garcia, who now chairs the Peace Advocates for Truth, Justice and Healing (PATH), is seeking the help of Congress to start an investigation and fund PATH's work in identifying other victims and seeking justice for them "in order for this matter to have a proper closure."

After being freed, Garcia stayed on for the next four months before deciding to come down from the hills. He then wrote a book, "To Suffer Thy Comrades," in 2001, describing his experience.

For his part, Navarro said he stayed for one and a half year more before deciding to return to the fold of the law.

Marlowe, meanwhile, said all along he was made to believe that his parents were abducted then killed by the military for their active role in the mass movement. "Twenty years nawala ang mga magulang. Nakita ko sila buto na at namatay sa kamay ng mga kasama," he bewailed.

"We want a formal investigation that is why we decided to name names in order for the investigation to have a starting point," Garcia stressed.
Purges

The purges were allegedly ordered by the top leadership of the CPP and its military arm, the New People's Army (NPA), after almost all members of their military commission were nabbed by the military in 1987.

Garcia said they "conservatively" placed the victims nationwide at "around 2,000" of the CPP's leading cadres, political activists and NPA fighters…

Sought for comment, CPP spokesman Gregorio "Ka Roger" Rosal acknowledged knowing Garcia and Navarro and some of those they accused of torture.

Rosal added the horrors of the Kampanyang Ahos and the OPML have been "totally repudiated" during the 10th CPP Plennum in 1992 as a "crime against humanity."

"All those involved, including the principals, have been meted punishment in accordance with the CPP Constitution. I myself was meted punishment," Rosal said.

"While we recognize their (PATH) quest for justice, it is lamentable that they now end up seeking to punish and destroy the whole revolutionary movement and not just the individuals responsible for the excesses," he added.

He said it was the condemnation of the campaign and the individuals behind it that added to the reasons behind the split of the CPP between the "reaffrimist" faction and the "rejectionist" bloc in 1991.

Prior to the split, Rosal said the persons behind OPML and Kampanyang Ahos — Romulo Kintanar, Ricardo Reyes, Arturo Tabbara, Miel Laurenario, among others — started sowing intrigues within the CPP to avoid being held responsible for the catastrophe.

"Instead of admitting to their mistakes, these people even tried to divide the party and tried to turn it against itself for their own ends. That is why they were removed from positions of authority and eventually expelled," Rosal explained.


Pirme man gud moingon ni silang Satur nga fake nang mga patay nga gipakita diha sa mga authorities.

[boknoyet]

Bai, sa akong nahibal-an ang Kampanyang Ahos was "commited" during the 80's. It was "talked about" in the second half of the 90's. When I say talked kay ang ilang internal problem sa NPA parti ana sila ray naghibal-anay kung asa ang ibedensya -meaning to say nga ang outside world like kita nga common public , although duna na tay idea ana thru the news articles nga ni exist na cya but then we cannot confirm it kay walay solid nga ebidensya. Now in the the new millineum naghinayhinay na ug panggula ang ebidensya pareho anang sa Leyte karon which tends to bolster the fact that this people in the NPA has committed this horrendous crimes.

Bai, as we all know the miltary and the CPP-NPA are arch enemies. Technically they are at war. Sa ako nang giingon, it could be nga political ang motive sa military nga gikiha karon si Satur. Pero sa gubat bay, it doesn't what is your strategy how to defeat your enemies. Lately gi criticize ang military ug ang gobyerno ug maayo tungod sa mga illegal ways nga ilang gigamit sa ilang kontra. Karon nga nisulay ang gobyerno sa "legal ways" himoon gihapon nga dautan. Sa ako nang panguta earlier? Asa man diay kuno ta paingon bi?

Ug nakadaut ra ba kay ang ubang mga Senador karon pareho ni Villar tuison ang istorya. Himoon ba ug ignorante tanang tawo. Ug ni Villar pa nga si Satur kuno gi trial by publicity. Ug ato bayang tan-awon bai, kinsa man kuno ang nagcg ug pagarpar, palaban sa media di ba si Satur? Sa akong nahibal-an, ang gobierno ni announce lang nga dakpon si Satur and that's it. Di na ka kadungog pa ug daghang echi-borechi pa nga gikan sa atong gobierno, and the fact is that Satur is in fact getting more of the media mileage. Nagtuo man gud cguro ning mga tawhana nga oras makalingkod ang mga Kumunista, magpabilin silang Villar sa ilang pagka Senador.

Ako bay dili ko lawyer, mao nga dili ko makiglalis ni Joker Arroyo kung moingon cya nga ang sala anang mga tawhana dugay nang gipasaylo ug covered sa amnesty. Ug mao sab kana karong baruganan ni Joker nga imong gisakyan ug maayo. Akong balikon lawyer na si Joker and he knows his stuff. Pero usahay maka-ingon ko nga nakalimot cguro ni cya nga lawyer cya ug nakalimot cguro cya nga ang Huwes sa Leyte lawyer. Ug nakalimot cguro cya nga duna tay bala-ud. The reason Bai nga I am not inclined to vote for Joker bisag unsa pa cya ka ngilngig nga lawyer/lawmaker is because I view him as a spoiler. Angayan pa gani unta cyang maghilum hilum kay sa admin cya and for every adversary nga ma disabled thru whatever machinations kay dunay coming nga election, it would count nga favor kaayo cya ana. But unsa iyang gibuhat? ang gobyerno pay gihimong maut... Abi kaha niya ug mudaug si Satur unya magligas sila sa puntos kung kinsay makasulod sa magic 12... unsa kaha iyang masulti no?

you're right that the judge in leyte has his power to give a warrant of arrest. we are not refuting the legalities undertaken by the judge. but then again as i have said, timing is always subject to scrutiny. For me, there shouldn't have been any amnesty given to the CPP because i also expect no amnesty to be given to the military agents who abducted and tortured thousands of activists and church leaders during the 80s. My point is, the cases that were filed were directed against members of the CPP who had little responsibilities on the crime. As far as i know, Satur's role in the CPP was for its political propaganda machinery. its ok to file the case against Joma but not on Satur. And again, i had the point about Beltran's case which is not related to the killing fields issue but is connected to his participation in rebellion against martial law. That is my point of contention. Beltran shouldn't be charged with a case that has already been decided by the public. For goodness sake, he fought against Marcos, that's the essence of the case filed against him. Are they insinuating that anybody commiting an act of rebellion should be charged? Then that puts everyone who participated in EDSA dos and even the Cebuanos who called for Erap's ouster durting the rallies in Fuente as open to being charged with rebellion.

You can't blame Joker, he lived through hell during the Marcos era and he sympathyzes with the activists because he himself is a human rights activist. If you remember during the coups in Cory's time, he was tagged by the rightists as a leftist. And technically speaking he is independent of the administration because he does not give a damn to both the administration or opposition. He will continue his criticism of Gloria whenever she commits misgivings, the same with the opposition.

My take on this is, The campaign against the Left may work but not to the point of victory. Im pretty sure that they are already entrenched in mainstream politics that they can muster a 20-30% base among the people from the A-D segment of society, Cebu is already a strong base of leftist politics specifically Social Democrats. The probolem lies now on how they will handle the cases. Sadly, the National Democrats (Left-wing) has put the blame on other leftist organization because of their complicity in the issue. These other leftist groups are now in a quandry, the military likes to play in its propaganda that they favor the likes of Akbayan, PM, sanlakas in order to agitate the National Democrats into sparking a renewed rivalry (don't get them wrong the Military hates the Left whether NatDem or SocDem, this is just propaganda). And this causes the SocDems and the non-Bayan affiliated Leftist to fear for their lives because they are now open targets of the CPP. I fear that the leftists who are both critical of the military and of the CPP will bear the brunt of two-front war from coercion and intimidation from both the Armed Left(CPP and the likes of permit-to-campaign fees) and the Right (private armies, warlords, landlords)

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tanan man jud is open for interpretation. when you say na ang timing is makaduda, so tanan nalang perme ma atul sa least convenient time nimu is makaduda?this is the case with satur, kesyo election run so dapat hold usa ang pangsikup sa mga kalaban sa gobyerno. your argument is illogical boknoyet. isa pa, kung unya unyaun paning mga kaso, kanus a pa mahuman?with all the appeals and rulings? maapply jud ning motto sa legal circles ani..JUSTICE DELAYED IS JUSTICE DENIED. come to think of it, wala man juy just aning kalibutana, theres only the word FAIR. in addition, nagbinulok ning abogado ni Satur Ocampo na muingun na di siya musurrender but wont defy arrest. unsa mani?binulok jud ni. this only proves one thing, catch me if you can = nagtago. if he is really innocent, like what he claims, musurrender na unta siya.di siya maghuwat na muabot sa punto na basi mamatay pa siya kung manlaban siya pag aresto sa iya.

heres the article:

Satur Ocampo won’t surrender, but won’t defy arrest--lawyer
By Maila Ager
INQUIRER.net
Last updated 08:05pm (Mla time) 03/09/2007
MANILA, Philippines -- Bayan Muna Representative Satur Ocampo will rather wait for the police to arrest him than voluntarily give himself up, his lawyer said Friday.

Romeo Capulong made the pronouncement, a day after Ocampo was quoted as saying in a statement that he would “surface voluntarily.”

A local court issued an arrest warrant against Ocampo this week for series of murders that he had allegedly committed more than 20 years ago.

Capulong said Ocampo would not go to the police to surrender but would not resist if he would be arrested.

“Hindi siya su-surrender [He won’t surrender]. Hayaan na lang natin na maaresto siya [Let us just wait for him to be arrested]. Mahirap sumuko, masama ang [It is difficult to surrender because of the bad] connotation. Hindi naman siya magre-resist e [He won’t resist],” Capulong said in a phone interview.

“He will make himself very visible and let the arresting team arrest him. Para sa akin [For me it will be], useless to negotiate for his peaceful arrest. Let justice takes its natural course,” he said.

Capulong acknowledged that the arrest was “imperative” and that they had no plan to take any legal action to stop it from happening.

All they want is to ensure Ocampo’s physical safety against possible summary execution or torture while in detention, said Capulong.

Capulong said they could ask for Ocampo’s special appearance in court without the threat of arrest but then they had instead advised their client to come to court with clean hands.

“Ayaw naman niyang matawag na [He doesn’t want to be called a] fugitive from justice,” he said.

Capulong said they would pursue the filing of a petition for certiorari next week to question the warrant of arrest and jurisdiction of a local court that issued the order.

He said that they might also ask the Supreme Court to transfer the venue of the trial and possible place of detention from Leyte to Manila.

“Mas convenient para sa aming mga lawyer kung dito sa Manila at para mabisita na rin naming siya [It will be convenient for his lawyers to have him detained in Manila and so that we can visit him too],” the lawyer added.


courtesy of :http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/topstor...ticle_id=53872

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then again, why now? The killing fields of the CPP-NPA back then like Kampanyang Ahos and Oplan Olympia were discovered even during the Cory era. But it is now that the AFP is filing the cases. The point is, the AFP is the one that has to file the complaint when the families of the victims could do that. The families of the NPAs killed during kampanyang ahos could file the cases and at least this would give credibility to it. And since we have begun to talk about issues regarding the purges of the CPP-NDF we might as well unearth cases of the disaparacidos who were abducted by the military during Marcos time. this will only complicate the matter even more. but the point again is we have to see the motive behind it. I don't belive its coincidence. The military had knowledge regarding the killing fields even during the 1980s. Every leftist knows it, you could even ask the Social Democrats regarding this and they would answer to you that it was a dark phase in the CPP history. But then, the AFP could have filed this years ago. Also, it is very suspect that the cases are targeted at the National Democratic faction of the Left and not the Social Democrats (Akabayan, BISIG, IPD) or even the Rejectionists (Partido ng Manggagawa, Sanlakas) when some personalities in these groups were in the leadership of the CPP before. I think the government is trying to divide the Left into factions again as Akbayan has said in its statement--> www.Akbayan.org

It's not yet late to serve the victims the justice they deserve. It's a dark phase in CPP's history indeed. Now, they have to face the consequences to their injustices and killings of their own. As they say, better late than never.

Now, Ka Satur has to face the music. I bet Joma's so happy he's outside the country. Why ever not? He's having fun from time to time while his people here are facing charges to answer for the internal purges he ordered before.