Satur Ocampo and Joma Sison --- Ipa Sikup sa Katawhan ug sa Kapulisan!

[skobadagank]

Exactly! pero mao lagi maayo man gud nang maghimo lang ug saba saba sa media kay mao gud na ngilngig sila ana sa -propaganda. Ikaw ug gikiha ka, unya wa kay sala, nganong di man atubangon sa husgado. Maayong laki ug abugado. Capulong is one of the best minds in the legal world. Unya ug mapilde man gani cya sa RTC naa pay COA ug mapilde naa pay Supreme Court nga gidayeg niya ug maayo nga independent.

Ang iya nga gahulat ra kuno cya ug maayong panahon. Unsang panahon? kanang mag rally una mga Bayan Muna? Mas maayo bitaw ug mag rally na sila taman sa ginhawa karon nga dakponon ilang Supremo. Tan-awon nato ug di ba ma turn-off mga tawo nila. Pero wala man silay kisaw. Mga maru man kaayo.

Unya cg sila panghambog nga dili sila front sa NPA nga wa sila maghatag ug supporta sa NPA. Unya si Duke Pikaso nag post sa taas nga nag press release ang mga kanahan agi ug sempatiya ni Satur. Sus tawon mao niy giingon nga ang mga taga ciudad nga duol sa sibilisasyon ilaron lang iring mga nagpas-an ug armas sa bukid nga wa gani ka tilaw ug disko kay nagkalisod ug dinagan pagtago.

Ako pang Rosal mag press release cya ug unsay komentaryo sa ilang mga kadaghanan nga si joma ga bayle-bayle ug artista ngadto sa Netherlands.

agree ko kang budmenz. pasikat ra tanan ning CPP-NPA-NDF ug Bayan Muna. Klaro man hadlok kaayo si la Teddy Casino kay basi sila na isunod pasikup. garboso pud kaayo ni si Gregorio Rosal, murag kinsa. wa gani ni katungtung ug college tingali. does he even know unsa pasabot sa protracted peoples war? sus.ako maluoy sa mga grunts sa NPA na walay gipangaun kay gigamit ra gyud tawun sila aning mga Party List representatives ug Ni JoMa nga tua sa Netherlands..nagpasnowsnow ug lami pa ug kaun. maayo unta nga sulungun sa military simultaneously ang tanan fronts sa NPA para hipos tanan.sama sa gibuhat sa Vatican atung medieval ages kung diin ila gipahipos ug dungan ang tanan mga templars sa Europe.

[duke pikaso]

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cge nga, define PROTRACTED PEOPLE'S WAR.... :mrgreen:[br]Posted on: March 09, 2007, 09:50:07 PM_________________________________________________

Satur to Raul and Norberto:
‘You Play Dirty, Boys’

BY BULATLAT
Posted 3:45 p.m. March 8, 2007


In a press conference somewhere in Luzon, Bayan Muna Rep. Satur Ocampo chided two cabinet officials for being behind the moves to arrest him right in the middle of the election campaign.

“You play dirty, boys,” Ocampo said in front of a handful of reporters, referring to Justice Secretary Raul Gonzales and National Security Adviser Norberto Gonzales.

The press conference was hastily called this morning by Bayan Muna for Ocampo to air his side on the warrant of arrest (WOA) issued against him by Ephrem Abando, presiding judge of Branch 18 of the Regional Trial Court of Hilongos, province of Leyte. The warrant was issued as early as Monday, March 5.



A similar warrant was issued for the arrest of Jose Maria Sison and Luis Jalandoni, political consultant and chair of the National Democratic Front of the Philippines (NDFP) negotiating panel, respectively. Both are in exile in Hague, The Netherlands.

The three were ordered arrested for multiple murder in connection with an alleged mass grave discovered in Inopacan, Leyte in August 2006.

Incredible charge

Ocampo said the charges against him were “incredibly false” and “impossible.”

The charge sheet states that in 1984, Ocampo was anointed by the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Philippines (CPP) to order the mass murder of certain members of the New People’s Army (NPA), the armed wing of the CPP, for being government spies.

Ocampo said this could never have happened because he was under military custody at that time. He said he was arrested Jan. 14, 1976 and was only able to escape his captors on May 5, 1985.

Ploy to derail campaign

Ocampo said the order for his arrest was clearly a ploy by the government’s national security agents to derail his party’s campaign for party-list representation in the May 14 mid-term elections.

Bayan Muna was the number one party-list group elected into office in the 2001 and 2004 elections. In a recent SWS survey, Bayan Muna again topped the list of party-list groups.

Ocampo said the order for his arrest two months before the elections is only deemed at “paralyzing their campaign.”

“Natatakot silang manalo ulit kami,” (They are afraid we would win again.) Ocampo told the media.

The party-list solon said the warrant for his arrest, the recent disqualification case against Bayan Muna and the continuous summary executions and enforced disappearances of their members nationwide is part of the government’s campaign to “neutralize” their party.

He charged that these moves against him and his party are part of a concerted campaign by the Inter-Agency Legal Action Group (IALAG) composed of the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP), Philippine National Police (PNP), the departments of Justice, National Defense, Foreign Affairs and Interior and Local Government, and the National Intelligence Coordinating Agency. It is supervised by the National Intelligence Board headed by Norberto Gonzalez.

The IALAG was formed through Executive Order 4938 on Jan. 17, 2006 and is tasked to file legal cases in relation to national security.

The AFP, Raul Gonzales and Norberto Gonzalez have accused Bayan Muna as a front organization of the CPP that has siphoned its funds to the NPA. Ocampo, however, said no evidence on this matter has been put forward by any of their accusers.

Not in hiding

Ocampo clarified however that he is not in hiding despite the manhunt against him. “Sanay na ako sa ganitong labanan,” (I am used to this kind of fight.) said the two-time political detainee.

“I am ready to face these cases politically and legally,” he said. In three to four days, Ocampo’s lawyer Judge ad litem Romeo Capulong said they will be filing a petition for certiorari and mandamus at the Supreme Court against Raul Gonzales and Abando.

“Huwag nang magpagod ang mga awtoridad sa paghahanap sa akin,” (The authorities need not exert too much effort in looking for me.) Ocampo told reporters. “Lalabas din naman ako.” (I will surface eventually.) Bulatlat

[skobadagank]

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cge nga, define PROTRACTED PEOPLE'S WAR.... :mrgreen:

its guerilla warfare, bay. di ko bulok sama sa imu gina idolo na mga NPA. in addition to the definition, the communist movement uses the support of the masses to lure the enemy in their stronghold and slowly eliminate them..in this case the military. so ang pangutana run duke pikaso, majority ba sa Pilipino ga suporta sa NPA? tubaga kuno na. sa china ni work ning protracted peoples war kay kadaghanan sa mga insik ni uyon sa ila mao napelde ang mga nationalists. unya diri?ultimo pamugas nila mangawat pa sila sa mga tawo so unsaun nila pagkuha ug suporta?usa pa ka pangutana, nganu dapig ug laban man jud ka nila? militante ka bay? :mrgreen:

[duke pikaso]

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protracted people's war = malanatong gubat sa katawhan

asa man diay ang NPA? diba nasa bukid.. asa man ang kadaghanan sa mga tao diba nasa bukid,,
bai, kung kaila sa sa banda na BAMBOO, paminawa ila kanta na TATSULOK.. then ul know an idea why i asked u that simple question, and why naay CPP NPA sa kabukiran.. :mrgreen:

about "kawat" na imu gipasangil bai, muhatag unta ka ug concrete example ana.. dili lang kanang kung unsay mulutaw sa ato huna2x, mao ra pod ato isulti..

about kung militante ko, dili bai, im just AWARE..

:mrgreen:

[boknoyet]

im not siding with Satur but its really obvious that the case has no bearing because the date of filing the case had already exceeded the prescription of the crime. Prescription entails that a case can only be filed within X number of years after the crime was commited. In this case, 20 years. The case was filed in the court for the crime which was committed in 1986. Thats more than 20 years already meaning the case filed against Satur has no bearing at all (i'm just puzzled why the judge gave the police a warrant of arrest when he should have known this principle.). Any student of law knows this.

[eax]

im not siding with Satur but its really obvious that the case has no bearing because the date of filing the case had already exceeded the prescription of the crime. Prescription entails that a case can only be filed within X number of years after the crime was commited. In this case, 20 years. The case was filed in the court for the crime which was committed in 1986. Thats more than 20 years already meaning the case filed against Satur has no bearing at all (i'm just puzzled why the judge gave the police a warrant of arrest when he should have known this principle.). Any student of law knows this.

You're right. But kana na warrant is about man to katong bag-o lang nakit-an na mga purge sites sa mga CPP-NPA.

[skobadagank]

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protracted people's war = malanatong gubat sa katawhan

asa man diay ang NPA? diba nasa bukid.. asa man ang kadaghanan sa mga tao diba nasa bukid,,
bai, kung kaila sa sa banda na BAMBOO, paminawa ila kanta na TATSULOK.. then ul know an idea why i asked u that simple question, and why naay CPP NPA sa kabukiran.. :mrgreen:

about "kawat" na imu gipasangil bai, muhatag unta ka ug concrete example ana.. dili lang kanang kung unsay mulutaw sa ato huna2x, mao ra pod ato isulti..

about kung militante ko, dili bai, im just AWARE..

:mrgreen:

ur aware?wow. biliba jud nako nimu da. then its possible that indeed u witnessed some of these subversives doing their stuff. so u neither deny nor admit that u are siding with them.hmm.. about sa kawat pre, di na himo himo kay akong pamilya sa agusan del sur gikawatan sa mga NPA. usa pa, mukaun ra na sila sa carenderya nya way bayad2x kay abi naa pusil. ba? usa pa, EXTORTION pre is broad daylight robbery..so kanang "pangayo" nila nga revolutionary taxes sa businessmen and farmers alike, consider na na pangawat brad. ok? ayaw pag pinilosopo part. kana kanta sa bamboo..revival ra na dong sa kanta sa mga UP activists/artists sa panahon ni Marcos. underneath the song is a hidden message. i know about it, bay. ayaw kabalaka. kaila ko bamboo. mananger nila, barkada ni kuya. so ayaw pasuweto2x.

"kadaghanan sa tawo naa sa bukid" ---> wrong ka diha part. ang kadaghanan sa pilipino lumulpyo sa mga ciudad ug probinsya. mao na ang mga jollibee naa sa ciudad kay gamay ra tawo sa bukid.ba? even so naa tawo sa bukid, wouldnt you agree that the NPA still need the support of EVERY FILIPINO?whether in the mountains or urban areas? kung wa jud suporta sa tanan or majority man lang, wa jud padulngan brad ang imung gikatahung NPA friends. padumduman tika part..revolution succeeds if majority of the social strata..in our case peasants, workers, middle class and the elites alike will support the NPA to topple the government. need concrete examples?

Russia - October 1917 - disillusioned ang majority sa population, overthrew the Czar
China - October 1949 - Majority pud sa population sa china who were tired of civil war, overthrew Chiang kai Shek
Cuba - 1959 - Workers were disillusioned sa corrupt na government, so they installed Fidel Castro.
kung naa man gani ga suporta sa mga NPA diri sa ato nasud, in my opinion mga ex NPA or mga infiltrators ra sa NPA ang gapadagan ug gasuporta aning mga front na Akbayan, Bayan Muna ug uban pang Mapulahun na mga grupo. if you can really prove pud na perteng daghana jud sa suporters sa NPA, nganu waman mutake over ang mga komunista atung edsa 1 ug 2?

[budmendz]

im not siding with Satur but its really obvious that the case has no bearing because the date of filing the case had already exceeded the prescription of the crime. Prescription entails that a case can only be filed within X number of years after the crime was commited. In this case, 20 years. The case was filed in the court for the crime which was committed in 1986. Thats more than 20 years already meaning the case filed against Satur has no bearing at all (i'm just puzzled why the judge gave the police a warrant of arrest when he should have known this principle.). Any student of law knows this.

Bai, dili ko lawyer ha pero this is what I found in ChanRobles.com... under the Revised Penal Code

Art. 91. Computation of prescription of offenses. — The period of prescription shall commence to run from the day on which the crime is discovered by the offended party, the authorities, or their agents, and shall be interrupted by the filing of the complaint or information, and shall commence to run again when such proceedings terminate without the accused being convicted or acquitted, or are unjustifiably stopped for any reason not imputable to him.

Sa akong pobreng panabot, ang discovery man god sa maong crime ang maingon ta crucial. Bisan cguro ug dugay na nahitabo pero karon lang bag-o nadiskobrehan so mao ba akong interpretasyon? Kinsa man kahibalo ug balaod dire, welcome kaayo.

[skobadagank]

Bai, dili ko lawyer ha pero this is what I found in ChanRobles.com... under the Revised Penal Code

Art. 91. Computation of prescription of offenses. — The period of prescription shall commence to run from the day on which the crime is discovered by the offended party, the authorities, or their agents, and shall be interrupted by the filing of the complaint or information, and shall commence to run again when such proceedings terminate without the accused being convicted or acquitted, or are unjustifiably stopped for any reason not imputable to him.

Sa akong pobreng panabot, ang discovery man god sa maong crime ang maingon ta crucial. Bisan cguro ug dugay na nahitabo pero karon lang bag-o nadiskobrehan so mao ba akong interpretasyon? Kinsa man kahibalo ug balaod dire, welcome kaayo.

sakto man ni imu pagsabot, budmendz. kay kung dili mabal an na naay mga patay nga lawas didto, ergo, crime was not committed, techincally speaking. kay wala may mga testigos na mukonpirma. pero dihang gikataho na mismo ang usa sa mga nipatay sa mga DPA mi tug an nga dihang dapita nila gilubong, that is sufficient motivation for the judge to issue a warrant for the people believed to be the masterminds of said activity.

[boknoyet]

gipangutana nako na sa akong law professor sa una. dili about sa heinous crime nuon pero ang ang giingon man gud niya basta sa pagbuhat sa crime. basin sakto ka. pero kung sakto man nga musugod ang prescription sa mismong adlaw nga nadiskubre ang krimen, di gihapon ko uyon nga kasuhan ni sila Satur. Firstly, the timing of the filing of cases is so suspect especially when it coincides with the arrest and clampdown on many members of the National Democratic movement (a faction of the Philippine Left to which Bayan Muna belongs to) and subsequent attempts to disqualify their group. I think its more proper to infer that this is a politically-motivated action against Bayan Muna and its sister organizations. I'm not a supporter of Bayan Muna (far from it, I support the plan of many other leftist ang government groups to investigate the connection of the National Democrats with the CPP-NDF) but it would be highly dangerous for our fledgling and weak democracy to further marginalize them. From the results of the previous eletions, it already shows that the Extreme Left and allied forces have a whopping power base of 30% among the electorate. The figures for the non-voters is much higher. In fact if our government will try to marginalize them, it will only cause to polarize the country. Dagko na sab ang nabuhat aning mga grupo (i have to admit) as many local local councilors and even mayors are already included as Bayan Muna and National Democratic stalwarts. I fear that if we will marginalize the left, musunod na unya ang pagmarginalize sa ubang grupo most especially those of the Moderate Left (Akabayan, Sanlakas) and even liberal democrats in the executive branch who are already a bit apprehensive to the policies of GMA especially those which are obviously being lobbied by retired generals and those in the Extreme Right. Yes, the extreme right. Not the magdalo or even the Ram (these guys are the reformist factions of the Right). The Right that im talking about is the same Right which engineered the full-scale all-out war policy against the NPA in the 70s and against the Muslims in Mindanao. Im talking about the right which propped up Marcos rule and supported the authoritarian policies of Marcos.