Real Teachings of Jesus

[noy]

this is said to be part of the teachings of Jesus as i copied from the web site: that we are not our bodies, we are the one inside, what say you?


Jesus confirms this when he said:

"The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within you." (Luke 17:20-21)

So what does "within you" mean? It means we are not these physical bodies, we are dwelling within them. These physical bodies are temporary, virtual machines we utilize for a few years. They are virtual identities. They are also constantly changing, while the self within, "I" is spiritual. This is the person "within" - our spiritual selves.

We might compare our situation to getting into an automobile. The automobile is not us. We are sitting within the car and we drive it for awhile and then get out. In the same way, we, the spiritual person, leaves the physical body when it dies.

What John the Baptist, Jesus and Jesus' disciples were trying to teach was that we can reach God's world - the spiritual realm - by looking within to our spiritual nature.

Should we apply this to our automobile analogy, if a driver took her car into a mechanic complaining that she was hungry, the mechanic would tell her this has nothing to do with the car.

granted that the Kingdom of God(basing sa imung POV,kay i also believed that it is...only lang naay slight difference sa imung POV) naa jud nato...

so it would follow diba nga naa ra nato..BUT wala lang ta naka realize...so which means
until we reach a certain Level, the god within us..will arise, just like what happend to Jesus diba?
that's why Jesus for you is not God but a mere example of a person to have successfully pulled it off...
and for us karun, we need to attain what Jesus had attained pud in order to be with God..
and since you also believed in reincarnation, if we somehow fail to achieve Christhood in this lifetime...
we need to go back to square 1 in the next life...then so on and so forth...

my question bai is, do you believe that the Father Loves us?or God is Love?

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

granted that the Kingdom of God(basing sa imung POV) naa jud nato...
so it would follow diba nga naa ra nato..BUT wala lang ta naka realize...so which means
until we reach a certain Level, the god within us..will arise, just like what happend to Jesus diba?
that's why Jesus for you is not God but a mere example of a person to have successfully pulled it off...
and for us karun, we need to attain what Jesus had attained pud in order to be with God..
and since you also believed in reincarnation, if we somehow fail to achieve Christhood in this lifetime...
we need to go back to square 1 in the next life...then so on and so forth...

my question bai is, do you believe that the Father Loves us?or God is Love?

i believe so, but murag naa ko lain nasabtan about the Love of our Father God, It is an unconditional Love. believe me naa ko ana, bisag pa ug unsaon ko sa ubang mga tao, ako igsoon, akong parents, di ko mo mind, i mean kanang mga negative ha, baliwa na nako, but of course di ko robot, i feel kanang mga positive like happy, love ug uban pa

gamay na lng gyud ang kulang bai, kabalo ka unsa, ang ako ra gyud asawa, ky bisag unsaon nako basta bati na gani ang mga storya, musaka akong tingog but i don't hate here, i have no feeling, nisunod lng ko sa iyang style

about the love of God nato, which is part of the teachings of Jesus, naa ko lain nasabtan. katong ni rebelde si satanas ni God, daghan ang ningkuyod niya, ug nipuyo sila tanan sa hell or diri sa earth, remember, mga angels pud to sila, giingnan sila ni satanas nga be free, wala na mo na under ni God, you can do whatever you want, ma bad man or maayo. but the love of God is unconditional, nagpadala siya ug daghan nga mga good angels nga dapig gihapon Nya dri sa earth/hell, one of them is of couse St. Michael and Jesus. but dapat mahimo gyud nga tao or else, they cannot exist diri sa earth, wa laing mission ang tanan gipadala niya kung dili to remember God and that love gihapon sila ni God bisan sa ilang gibuhat nga pag rebelde ni God. pero wa man gihapon nahimo, bisan pa gani ug nagpa crucify si Jesus, wa man gihapon, padayon gihapon sa pagdinautan. but at least, naa gihapon naghinumdum, ang uban nga naa dri volunteer ni God with the same mission gihapon as Jesus and all the prophets before and after him.

i think naa gihapon ni volunter sa karon nga panahon para sa same mission, ang usa naa dri sa istoraya ug ako na. hehehe joke lng.

[noy]

i believe so, but murag naa ko lain nasabtan about the Love of our Father God, It is an unconditional Love. believe me naa ko ana, bisag pa ug unsaon ko sa ubang mga tao, ako igsoon, akong parents, di ko mo mind, i mean kanang mga negative ha, baliwa na nako, but of course di ko robot, i feel kanang mga positive like happy, love ug uban pa

gamay na lng gyud ang kulang bai, kabalo ka unsa, ang ako ra gyud asawa, ky bisag unsaon nako basta bati na gani ang mga storya, musaka akong tingog but i don't hate here, i have no feeling, nisunod lng ko sa iyang style

about the love of God nato, which is part of the teachings of Jesus, naa ko lain nasabtan. katong ni rebelde si satanas ni God, daghan ang ningkuyod niya, ug nipuyo sila tanan sa hell or diri sa earth, remember, mga angels pud to sila, giingnan sila ni satanas nga be free, wala na mo na under ni God, you can do whatever you want, ma bad man or maayo. but the love of God is unconditional, nagpadala siya ug daghan nga mga good angels nga dapig gihapon Nya dri sa earth/hell, one of them is of couse St. Michael and Jesus. but dapat mahimo gyud nga tao or else, they cannot exist diri sa earth, wa laing mission ang tanan gipadala niya kung dili to remember God and that love gihapon sila ni God bisan sa ilang gibuhat nga pag rebelde ni God. pero wa man gihapon nahimo, bisan pa gani ug nagpa crucify si Jesus, wa man gihapon, padayon gihapon sa pagdinautan. but at least, naa gihapon naghinumdum, ang uban nga naa dri volunteer ni God with the same mission gihapon as Jesus and all the prophets before and after him.

i think naa gihapon ni volunter sa karon nga panahon para sa same mission, ang usa naa dri sa istoraya ug ako na. hehehe joke lng.

hahaha..nice.. regarding sa imung asawa bai, prehas ta...labi nag sapoton na atong asawa...
pero ang teknik diay ana bai...kai di lang nimu dunganan dayun paraygan ra na..hahaha

going back sa atong TOPIC, you said you believe that God loves us unconditionally diba?
and of course you also believe in erincarnation...and if i'm not mistaken sa imung POV
God loves us that's why He sent Jesus as an example lang but dili manluluwas Nato...
i would have qouted bible verses regarding Jesus as the atonement of our sins but i remember you saying nga ang mga early Christians maoy nag butang2x anang mga verses para sa ilang benefit...or unsa pa...so no use ang redemption verses for now...

ani nalang, if God Loves us so much, and God can see that from the old testament..even from the first man and woman...
men have failed consistently..even kita today..we continue to fail...
If His way of saving us, is just setting an example through Jesus(not to mention a very hard one to follow) para kita maluwas...
para atong e imintate..and if we fail, we go back to square one...

if we were His children(using your POV) and if He really Loves us?why would He just Look at us...going in circles..
failing,struggling to imitate Jesus....and ig He really wants all His children to be saved...
why is it that there are only a handful who may have attained the level of Christhood that you are saying?
and only one has been verified to have attained such,(in your POV it is Jesus) ang uban kay lalisonon pa//
unsa kahay tan.aw nimu ani bai?

would you do the same for your son?would you rather watch Him
waste an entire lifetime making the same mistakes,just becasue he failed to follow your lead?
subbordinates cguro ma antos pa, but imung anak?

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

hahaha..nice.. regarding sa imung asawa bai, prehas ta...labi nag sapoton na atong asawa...
pero ang teknik diay ana bai...kai di lang nimu dunganan dayun paraygan ra na..hahaha

going back sa atong TOPIC, you said you believe that God loves us unconditionally diba?
and of course you also believe in erincarnation...and if i'm not mistaken sa imung POV
God loves us that's why He sent Jesus as an example lang but dili manluluwas Nato...
i would have qouted bible verses regarding Jesus as the atonement of our sins but i remember you saying nga ang mga early Christians maoy nag butang2x anang mga verses para sa ilang benefit...or unsa pa...so no use ang redemption verses for now...

ani nalang, if God Loves us so much, and God can see that from the old testament..even from the first man and woman...
men have failed consistently..even kita today..we continue to fail...
If His way of saving us, is just setting an example through Jesus(not to mention a very hard one to follow) para kita maluwas...
para atong e imintate..and if we fail, we go back to square one...

if we were His children(using your POV) and if He really Loves us?why would He just Look at us...going in circles..
failing,struggling to imitate Jesus....and ig He really wants all His children to be saved...
why is it that there are only a handful who may have attained the level of Christhood that you are saying?
and only one has been verified to have attained such,(in your POV it is Jesus) ang uban kay lalisonon pa//
unsa kahay tan.aw nimu ani bai?

would you do the same for your son?would you rather watch Him
waste an entire lifetime making the same mistakes,just becasue he failed to follow your lead?
subbordinates cguro ma antos pa, but imung anak?

remember sa akong gi share nga akong nasabtan, kita to nga nikuyog ni satan, ni apil ta ug rebelde ni God our Father, nawala na atong respetar Niya as our Father, we don't love Him anymore, nadala ta ni satan, nga nganong mag sige man ta ug sunod sunod ni God nganong mag pa under man ta nya, we can do whatever we want, mura bitaw ug anak nga nisupak sa gipangmaymay sa amahan, boot pasabot, sa pila ka katuigan, nakalimot na gyud ta unsa tinooray Siya, nga Siya atong amahan, nga kita tanan gikan Nya ug mga anak ta Nya

mao na ang uban, maglisod gyud ug Love ni God, follow his commands, ky initially ni rebelde baya Nya

with His Unconditional Love, he sent many to represent Him, nga bisan pa sa atong pag rebelde ug pagsupak Nya, gimahal gihapon ta Nya, and that katong mga gipadala pareha ni Jesus, Moses, Buddha, Krishna, Muhammad ug uban pa, mahalon lng ang Amahan ang dapat ilang i set nga example and to help us remember our Father and to love our Father

“ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment.” (Matt. 22:37-38 )

“But take careful heed to do the commandment and the law which Moses the servant of the LORD commanded you, to love the LORD your God, to walk in all His ways, to keep His commandments, to hold fast to Him, and to serve Him with all your heart and with all your soul.” (Joshua 22:5)

Quran: ‘There is no god but God, He Alone, He hath no associate, His is the sovereignty and His is the praise and He hath power over all things’ xvi

if we fail bai, there should be no stopping of remembering and loving God, everyone has as chance. kita ra man sab ang ni rebelde di ba?

i think, mostly who attained that, were volunters or sent by God for the mission of saving those who rebel against God, to let them remember God.

by thinking that way, i think it will not be a waste. I will let my children remember God and to love God with all their hearts, with all their souls, and with all their minds.

We have to think and love God every moment of our lives. Even in our dreams, we should remember God.

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

UNIVERSAL TEACHINGS OF DIFFERENT FAITHS

SEE GOD IN ALL

Sri Ramakrishna -- I have now come to a stage of realization in which I see that God is walking in every human form and manifesting Himself alike through the sage and the sinner, the virtuous and the vicious. Therefore when I meet different people I say to myself, "God in the form of the saint, God in the form of the sinner, God in the form of the righteous, God in the form of the unrighteous."

Holy Mother -- If you want peace of mind, do not find fault with others. Rather see your own faults. Learn to make the whole world your own. No one is a stranger, my child; the whole world is your own.

Swami Vivekananda -- This is the gist of all worship -- to be pure and to do good to others. He who sees Siva in the poor, in the weak, and in the diseased, really worships Siva, and if he sees Siva only in the image, his worship is but preliminary. He who has served and helped one poor man seeing Siva in him, without thinking of his cast, creed, or race, or anything, with him Siva is more pleased than with the man who sees Him only in temples.

Buddha -- Goodwill toward all beings is the true religion; cherish in your hearts boundless goodwill to all that lives.

Guru Nanak -- God is one, but He has innumerable forms. He is the Creator of all and He Himself takes the human form.

Jesus Christ -- But I say unto you, love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you. That you may be the children of your Father which is in heaven; for he makes his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.

Judaism -- You shall not hate your brother in your heart, but you shall reason with your neighbor, lest you bear in sin because of him. You shall not take vengeance or bear any grudge against the sons of your own people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself.

Krishna -- He who sees the Supreme Lord abiding alike in all beings, and not perishing when they perish - verily, he alone sees.

Mohammed -- All God’s creatures are His family; and he is the most beloved of God who tries to do most good to God’s creatures.

Native American -- Every dawn as it comes is a holy event, and every day is holy, for the light comes from your Father, Wakan-Tanka; and also always remember that the two-leggeds and all other peoples who stand upon this earth are sacred and should be treated as such.

Rama -- It is the shadow of the Paramatman that you see reflected in all the living beings as the Jivatman. Don’t you see the great sky reflected in each and every lake or river?

Sankara -- Vishnu alone it is who dwells in you, in me, in everything; Empty of meaning is your wrath, and the impatience you reveal. Seeing yourself in everyone, have done with all diversity.

Vedas -- The wise man beholds all beings in the Self, and the Self in all beings; for that reason he does not hate anyone.

Zoroaster -- Forget self and identify Ahura Mazda in every being and in everything.

[noy]

remember sa akong gi share nga akong nasabtan, kita to nga nikuyog ni satan, ni apil ta ug rebelde ni God our Father, nawala na atong respetar Niya as our Father, we don't love Him anymore, nadala ta ni satan, nga nganong mag sige man ta ug sunod sunod ni God nganong mag pa under man ta nya, we can do whatever we want, mura bitaw ug anak nga nisupak sa gipangmaymay sa amahan, boot pasabot, sa pila ka katuigan, nakalimot na gyud ta unsa tinooray Siya, nga Siya atong amahan, nga kita tanan gikan Nya ug mga anak ta Nya

mao na ang uban, maglisod gyud ug Love ni God, follow his commands, ky initially ni rebelde baya Nya

with His Unconditional Love, he sent many to represent Him, nga bisan pa sa atong pag rebelde ug pagsupak Nya, gimahal gihapon ta Nya, and that katong mga gipadala pareha ni Jesus, Moses, Buddha, Krishna, Muhammad ug uban pa, mahalon lng ang Amahan ang dapat ilang i set nga example and to help us remember our Father and to love our Father

“ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment.” (Matt. 22:37-38 )

“But take careful heed to do the commandment and the law which Moses the servant of the LORD commanded you, to love the LORD your God, to walk in all His ways, to keep His commandments, to hold fast to Him, and to serve Him with all your heart and with all your soul.” (Joshua 22:5)

Quran: ‘There is no god but God, He Alone, He hath no associate, His is the sovereignty and His is the praise and He hath power over all things’ xvi

if we fail bai, there should be no stopping of remembering and loving God, everyone has as chance. kita ra man sab ang ni rebelde di ba?

i think, mostly who attained that, were volunters or sent by God for the mission of saving those who rebel against God, to let them remember God.

by thinking that way, i think it will not be a waste. I will let my children remember God and to love God with all their hearts, with all their souls, and with all their minds.

We have to think and love God every moment of our lives. Even in our dreams, we should remember God.

ok bai, thanks for sharing..
so generally speaking sa imung POV,salvation is within our hands...
and should work for it kay kita man pud ang nakasala in the first place...
(di ba condition nana siya?condition nga in the sense,nga since we sinned,it is rightful that we should save ourselves..)through reaching "christhood".
with regard to God sending examples from noah to Jesus..nothing is new man ana, since noah and the time of prophets have always served as examples of living a holy life, yet people STILL end up failing...
and failing...
so technically speaking it is not working progressively...that way of salvation is not at all effective..
it defeats the purpose of God wanting to save if possible everyone...
it technically defeats the UNCONDITIONAL LOVE that God has...

do you think mother Theresa and Pope John Paul II were able to attain Christhood?

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

ok bai, thanks for sharing..
so generally speaking sa imung POV,salvation is within our hands...
and should work for it kay kita man pud ang nakasala in the first place...
(di ba condition nana siya?condition nga in the sense,nga since we sinned,it is rightful that we should save ourselves..)through reaching "christhood".
with regard to God sending examples from noah to Jesus..nothing is new man ana, since noah and the time of prophets have always served as examples of living a holy life, yet people STILL end up failing...
and failing...
so technically speaking it is not working progressively...that way of salvation is not at all effective..
it defeats the purpose of God wanting to save if possible everyone...
it technically defeats the UNCONDITIONAL LOVE that God has...

do you think mother Theresa and Pope John Paul II were able to attain Christhood?

just analyze this bai, if we were with satan, during the time he rebelled against God, we are with him, he is in hell and that place is actually the earth. makita man pud na nimo diri sa earth, nagsagul ang daghan dautan diri, trahedya, kaguol, kasakit ug uban pa.

mo fail man gyud na, ky in the first place failure naman daan, naanud naman ta ug maayo.

sakto ka bai, di gyud effective ang salvation, ky naanud nata ug maayo sa kadautan sa atong pag rebelde sa Ginoo. but bec of God's unconditional Love, Christ is created by God, mao na ang mo bridge "nato nga mga ning rebelde ni God" ug ni "God". It is Christ bai, not Jesus, but Christ. Pero ang pinaka well known gyud kuno nga Christ nga gi preparahan is Jesus, nga hopeful nga in his time, ang mga tao nga ni sunod ni satan, mabalik na sa Ginoo, he did everything he can, he allowed himself to be crucified, he knew and his disciples knew nga dakpon siya that he would be crucified but still, wa siya nilikay, nagpadakop na siya hoping nga ma complete iyang mission, nga ang mga tao makahinudumm sa ilang Amahan, GOD, and will not follow na satan.

the only possible salvation is through Christ bro, not Jesus, but through Christ nga maanaa sa usag usa nato. even those who are very loyal with God from the very beginning, who are sent or who voluntered to help us so that we will be saved, they must have Christ in them before they can go back to God. wala man exempted, di pareha ug mga law makers, nga maghimo ug law unya ma exempted ra sila . In God's law, no one is exempted.

mao na ang giingon nga "No one comes to the Father, except through me", unless kung moagi ang tao through Christ, nga naa niya ang Christ, he can never go back to God.

para nako, the unconditional love of God is that even though ni rebel ta niya, He still loves us as His children. Lagmit, mao na ang mga stories nga "Prodigal Son" ug "Lost Sheep".

i don't know if both of them attain it, dapat naa ky Christ nimo before makabalo ka kung kinsa pud ang uban nga naka attain ana. Christ is something experiential, personal observation and experience, ikaw ra ang nakabalo kung naka attain ka ana, and also those nga naa pud. Humans with Christ in them talk with each other, nga di pareha nato nga lain lain ug opinion ug hunahuna, pareha ang hunahuna ug pagsabot nila, walay kalainan.

Naa ko i share nimo, naa daw naka attain ani who was able to meet and talk with Jesus. Dili daw lisod pangitaon si Jesus once you have Christ in you. Naa ra daw somewhere out there very accessible nga di makita sa mata. anyways, basin naglibog na pud ka ani noon hehehe. Maong niingon ko "daw" ky i don't have direct knowledge.

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

LOVE OF GOD IS ESSENTIAL

Sri Ramakrishna -- Unalloyed love of God is the essential thing. All else is unreal.

Holy Mother -- One’s love of God depends entirely upon one’s inner feelings. Love of God is the essential thing.

Swami Vivekananda -- Giving up all other thoughts, with the whole mind day and night worship God. Thus being worshipped day and night, He reveals himself and makes His worshippers feel His presence.

Buddha -- That which is most needed is a loving heart.

Guru Nanak -- God is not pleased by obstinate penance nor by many religious garbs. He who fashioned the vessel of the body and poured into it, His ambrosial gifts, will only be satisfied with man’s love and service.

Jesus Christ -- "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?" And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment."

Judaism -- Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one; and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might.

Krishna -- But the great-souled men, O Partha, who are endowed with the divine nature, worship Me with undisturbed minds, knowing that I am immutable and the origin of all beings. Ever glorifying Me, always striving with self-control, remaining firm in their vows, bowing before Me, they worship Me with love and unwavering steadiness.

Mohammed -- Whoever loves to meet God, God loves to meet him.

Native American -- Wakan-Tanka, help us to walk the sacred path of life without difficulty, with our minds and hearts continually fixed on You!

Rama -- Devotion is the only thing that is essential to worship Me. It is impossible for a person to see Me by the merit of sacrifice, austerity, charity, or by the study of Vedas or by performing the scriptural rites, if he is devoid of devotion to Me.

Sankara -- Among things conducive to liberation, devotion alone holds the supreme place. The seeking after one’s real nature is designated as devotion.

Vedas -- Under a golden brilliance the face of Truth lies hidden. Do Thou, O Protector, withdraw this cover, that I, devoted to Truth alone, may realize it.

Zoroaster -- As the Fire on the censer consumes sandalwood so let the Fire burning within you consume your heart with love for Ahura Mazda.

[noy]

just analyze this bai, if we were with satan, during the time he rebelled against God, we are with him, he is in hell and that place is actually the earth. makita man pud na nimo diri sa earth, nagsagul ang daghan dautan diri, trahedya, kaguol, kasakit ug uban pa.

mo fail man gyud na, ky in the first place failure naman daan, naanud naman ta ug maayo.

sakto ka bai, di gyud effective ang salvation, ky naanud nata ug maayo sa kadautan sa atong pag rebelde sa Ginoo. but bec of God's unconditional Love, Christ is created by God, mao na ang mo bridge "nato nga mga ning rebelde ni God" ug ni "God". It is Christ bai, not Jesus, but Christ. Pero ang pinaka well known gyud kuno nga Christ nga gi preparahan is Jesus, nga hopeful nga in his time, ang mga tao nga ni sunod ni satan, mabalik na sa Ginoo, he did everything he can, he allowed himself to be crucified, he knew and his disciples knew nga dakpon siya that he would be crucified but still, wa siya nilikay, nagpadakop na siya hoping nga ma complete iyang mission, nga ang mga tao makahinudumm sa ilang Amahan, GOD, and will not follow na satan.

the only possible salvation is through Christ bro, not Jesus, but through Christ nga maanaa sa usag usa nato. even those who are very loyal with God from the very beginning, who are sent or who voluntered to help us so that we will be saved, they must have Christ in them before they can go back to God. wala man exempted, di pareha ug mga law makers, nga maghimo ug law unya ma exempted ra sila . In God's law, no one is exempted.

mao na ang giingon nga "No one comes to the Father, except through me", unless kung moagi ang tao through Christ, nga naa niya ang Christ, he can never go back to God.

para nako, the unconditional love of God is that even though ni rebel ta niya, He still loves us as His children. Lagmit, mao na ang mga stories nga "Prodigal Son" ug "Lost Sheep".

i don't know if both of them attain it, dapat naa ky Christ nimo before makabalo ka kung kinsa pud ang uban nga naka attain ana. Christ is something experiential, personal observation and experience, ikaw ra ang nakabalo kung naka attain ka ana, and also those nga naa pud. Humans with Christ in them talk with each other, nga di pareha nato nga lain lain ug opinion ug hunahuna, pareha ang hunahuna ug pagsabot nila, walay kalainan.

Naa ko i share nimo, naa daw naka attain ani who was able to meet and talk with Jesus. Dili daw lisod pangitaon si Jesus once you have Christ in you. Naa ra daw somewhere out there very accessible nga di makita sa mata. anyways, basin naglibog na pud ka ani noon hehehe. Maong niingon ko "daw" ky i don't have direct knowledge.

you wanna hear my version?and this is not solely mine..this is what most Christians believed..
would you allow me to share if not the fullness but the core of my faith?

wala ko naglibug sa imung explanation bai.it was thourough and totally understandable..
i've seen Jesus spiritually of course...otherwise, i wouldn't even be here today..

however we all know that mother Theresa went out on the streets, showing Love and care literally to everyone...
but she always exalts the name of Jesus..so in your POV, wala na siya naka attain ug Christhood...kay ni tuo paman siya si traditional way of the Christian faith...

we all know that pope was assasinated,however when he recovered his strength, he visited his assasin and literally embraced him and forgave him right then and there...

both nmother theresa and pope john paul are know for their unexplainable compassion
to the least,esp those who have lepers..records even say that they would kiss the leper's wounds...

but both of them exalts the name of Jesus..they believed Jesus to be God..
bith of them say that if not for Jesus it is impossible for them to have such compassion...
using your POV...both of them failed to reach Christhood therefore
wherever they are now,,,they must be on their way to be reincarnated...

if they were not saved bai, what HOPE is there for you and me?
if man is bound to save himself? i am using your point of view..

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

you wanna hear my version?and this is not solely mine..this is what most Christians believed..
would you allow me to share if not the fullness but the core of my faith?

wala ko naglibug sa imung explanation bai.it was thourough and totally understandable..
i've seen Jesus spiritually of course...otherwise, i wouldn't even be here today..

however we all know that mother Theresa went out on the streets, showing Love and care literally to everyone...
but she always exalts the name of Jesus..so in your POV, wala na siya naka attain ug Christhood...kay ni tuo paman siya si traditional way of the Christian faith...

we all know that pope was assasinated,however when he recovered his strength, he visited his assasin and literally embraced him and forgave him right then and there...

both nmother theresa and pope john paul are know for their unexplainable compassion
to the least,esp those who have lepers..records even say that they would kiss the leper's wounds...

but both of them exalts the name of Jesus..they believed Jesus to be God..
bith of them say that if not for Jesus it is impossible for them to have such compassion...
using your POV...both of them failed to reach Christhood therefore
wherever they are now,,,they must be on their way to be reincarnated...

if they were not saved bai, what HOPE is there for you and me?
if man is bound to save himself? i am using your point of view..

kasabot ko sa imong point bro. as i have said i cannot confirm if Mother Teresa had attained It. Kung naa ka Christ nimo, then you will know if the other person has it. Which only means... wa pa ko hehehe, kung naa man gani gamay ra pud kaayo, abog lang hehehe. actually, naa naman daw na nato, ang pag switch on lng daw ang kulang ana.

Naa ko na meet, who personally had helped Mother Theresa, naa daw na siya murag hospital didto sa India, unya naa daw mga pasyente nga baho daw kaayo, pero gi atiman daw ni Mother Teresa, siya pud nagtabang i don't kung pila ka months or years ba siya didto, basta dugay dugay pud daw. tingala siya, nga sa kabaho daw sa mga pasyente, si Mother Teresa daw ky humot daw gihapon kaayo. Wala man daw na uso sa India nga perfume2x, wa man gani seguro nauso ang kaligo sa ilaha hehe , bisan daw mag perfume ka, pero once mapilitan ka sa baho, di man gani na mawa dayon bisag magsabon pa ka ug maayo, pero si Mother Teresa ky humot daw kaayo.

Ni ask gani siya nga mother, why daw iya ng gibuhat, ingon si Mother Teresa, i don't know, there is this voice that say and command nga help these people. then gi ask nya, where to find God, ingon si Mother Teresa nga you see these sick people, they are gods nga nakalimot na sa ilang pagka god mao na nga na ingon ana na sila, mutoo ka ug sa dili sa storya, i'm sharing it with you

by the way bro, since 2003 bro, wa na gyud ko kapamakak hehe, maski sa damgo pa

by the way, lahi man ang Christ, maka tolerate ka tanan apil na ang lain lain nga religion ug beliefs, including mga dautan ug sa nakig-away nimo, mao pud seguro to ni Pope John Paul II napasaylo nya ang ni assassinate unta sa iya. i have heard nga nangayo daw ug sorry si Pope John Paul II about sa gipatoo sa catholic church about hell, murag naa sa internet pero gipugngan daw sa Vatican, but dili ko sure, tsimissism

basta ako ingon bro, dapat naa ka Christ before you can say nga Christ pud ang usa ka tao, only Christ can understand Christ, only gods can understand God, so i'm not saying that both of them had it or wala, if they had not attained it, they need to reincarnate and try it again, but since naa na sila history, gamay gamay na lng kulang, kung need ug 10 lives, unya 4 lives na ilang nahuman, 6 lives na lng at least, sa katong magsugod pa, 10 lives pa, example lng na ha

our hope of salvation is the unconditional love of God our Father, bisag gisuway nato siya ug maayo at the very start nga nikuyog ta ni satan, He still loves us, He gave us His only begotten Son, Christ (not Jesus), and Christ is in us already, it just needs to be switched on, and i think it is not easy and needs PERSEVERANCE to turn on that switch, mao na need gyud ta mo work... and perseverance is taught universally to go back to God