Real Teachings of Jesus

[necrotic freak]

TS, tuo pod ka atong gi ingon nga ni adto ug India si Jesus? sa missing years niya sa bible.

[Breakeven]

Let me share bro:

What makes you think that reincarnation is true?

Believing it to be true doesn't mean that it is. Yes, I know, believing Christianity is true doesn't make it true either. But there is a big difference. In Christianity, we have Jesus. Jesus said He was the only Way. "I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me," (John 14:6). Jesus also performed many miracles. He walked on water, healed sicknesses, raised people from the dead, and claimed to be God in flesh. Because of these things, we need to look at Him seriously and consider what He is saying.

Now, if Moon2 said that he was the only way to God, we'd look at him and say, "Yeah, right." But, if he calmed a storm with a command, raised someone from the dead, walked on water, etc., that would add a lot of credibility to his claim. After all, he is demonstrating extraordinary abilities consistent with his extraordinary claim.

This is the case with Jesus. He made extraordinary claims and performed extraordinary deeds. Therefore, it is logical to conclude that what Jesus said was true -- especially since He claimed to be God (John 8:24,58; 10:30-33; 5:1.

Jesus commissioned the apostles to teach and preach the Christian faith. In Heb. 9:27 it says, "And as it is appointed unto men once to die and after this the judgment." This verse alone shows that reincarnation is not true. Also, reincarnation negates the necessity of the Cross because reincarnation teaches you can have different lives in which to try and "get it right." Not so in Christianity. According to the Bible, God gives us one chance to escape the clutches of sin and damnation. God has given us the Law which states that we are not to lie, to cheat, or steal. But, we all have. Therefore, we are all under the judgment of God and He will execute His judgment upon sinners on the Day of Judgment. If reincarnation is true, then there is no Day of Judgment, no need of a sacrifice, no need to trust in Christ.

A person needs Christianity because reincarnation does not remove sin. Also, reincarnation contradicts the Bible which presents Jesus with His miracles, fulfilled prophecies, resurrection, and so much more. Reincarnation denies the Day of Judgment. Also, think about this. Reincarnation works with karma, the idea that your past lives of "goodness" or "badness" affects the quality and position of your next incarnation. The purpose of reincarnation is to help you develop perfect karma by which you might then achieve a union with the divine consciousness after you have learned whatever it is you are supposed to learn. The problem is that each person had a first incarnation. That means that each person then had perfect Karma since he had no previous life and had done nothing wrong. Therefore, if he had perfect Karma and didn't learn or do what he was supposed to in his first life, then what makes him think that after hundreds of incarnations with accumulated bad karma that he will be able to achieve the perfect state of union with the divine consciousness that reincarnation moves him toward? It doesn't make any sense.

But what does make sense is that there is one God who has revealed Himself in Jesus Christ and the only way to have your sins forgiven is to trust in Him and not your own efforts through various lives to try and become perfect. That is why you need Jesus, because reincarnation is not only false, it is empty.

[noy]

no bro, i am a scientist... gathering all information, study, experiment to come to a conclusion hehehe

asa naman ka dapit sa scientific process bai?

[noy]

mao na gipatoo ni satan ninyo bro... don't work, don't remember that you are sons of God that make you gods, ky kung makahihumdum na nya mo, inyo na unya byaan siya dri sa earth, di na unya mo ganahan sa mga lawasnon/physical nga kalipay... ky once makahinumdum mo, you will do a great work to return to your Father, God, you are a soul, the soul that is the son of God (soul)

pabilin lng mo dri bro, and enjoy the reign of satan here, make him your kumpare... i need to go back to my Father, nga dugay na nako na miss, i will work hard for it

question lang bro,
mutuo ka nga possible nga ikaw ang sayop?
mutoo ka TS nga possible ang yawa maoy naghatag ug idea nga kita tanan pwede mahimung Christ?'cause in that way we do not need the sacrifice of Jesus...

and by the way bai, ang ask ko nimu ug question about if you believe in God,
if you think apostle paul was able to reach christhood..
i gave 2 options about salvation,(reincarnation or Christ's sacrifice)...
i asked which of the 2 are easier and which of the 2 shows acts of Love...can you please give your insights on those
questions? thanks bro..

[Breakeven]

ang jews, islam, buddhist nitudlo nga dli God si Jesus, even Jesus wa gani niingon nga God siya, ambot nganon nitoo mo sa Rome nga himohimo sila nga God si Jesus nga wa gani sila mananghid niya?

Mao nga kinahanglan jud gamiton nato ang critical thinking about aning butanga!

He neither claims "I am God" nor "I am not God", diba? the word TRINITY does not even appear in the whole scripture....but why did his followers considers him to be God and one with the Father? sya ang taw that was concieved through the Holy Spirit.

There is absolutely no logical reason why Jesus cannot be both human and divine at the same time. It is not a logical impossibility. The question is whether or not it is a biblical teaching. What does the Bible say?

• John 1:1,14, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... ¹⁴And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth."
• John 20:28, "Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
• Col. 2:9, "For in Him [Jesus] all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form."
• Col. 1:19, "For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him,"
• Phil. 2:6-8, "...although He [Jesus] existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, ⁷but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. ⁸And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
• Heb. 1:8, "But of the Son He says, “Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom."

Following is a brief chart referencing the Scriptures that support the doctrine that Jesus is both God and Man at the same time. It is not exhaustive but it can help you quickly see that scripture points to both Jesus' humanity as well as His deity.

GOD	MAN
He is worshiped (Matt. 2:2,11; 14:33).	He worshiped the Father (John 17).
He was called God (John 20:28; Heb. 1:8)	He was called man (Mark 15:39; John 19:5).
He was called Son of God (Mark 1:1)	He was called Son of Man (John 9:35-37)
He is prayed to (Acts 7:59).	He prayed to the Father (John 17).
He is sinless (1 Pet. 2:22; Heb. 4:15).	He was tempted (Matt. 4:1).
He knows all things (John 21:17).	He grew in wisdom (Luke 2:52).
He gives eternal life (John 10:28).	He died (Rom. 5:8).
All the fullness of deity dwells in Him (Col. 2:9).	He has a body of flesh and bones (Luke 24:39).

Therefore, Jesus is one person with two natures: divine and human. This is not a logical impossibility and it is something that is supported in scripture.

[Breakeven]

ask ko TS, unsa imong understanding aning Reincarnation, pila ka souls posible ang ni re-incarnate since from the start? If a soul has a beginning then it should be a perfect one, no need for reincarnation.

So mahimo nga ang insakto nga teachings mao ang naa sa bible, in the garden of Eden! that man was created in a perfect state but had fallen short from the glory of God because of disobedience.

[Breakeven]

mao na gipatoo ni satan ninyo bro... don't work, don't remember that you are sons of God that make you gods, ky kung makahihumdum na nya mo, inyo na unya byaan siya dri sa earth, di na unya mo ganahan sa mga lawasnon/physical nga kalipay... ky once makahinumdum mo, you will do a great work to return to your Father, God, you are a soul, the soul that is the son of God (soul)

pabilin lng mo dri bro, and enjoy the reign of satan here, make him your kumpare... i need to go back to my Father, nga dugay na nako na miss, i will work hard for it

i got your point bai but lahi man ang teachings sa Christianity about ana, There is a Heaven and Hell as the final place in eternity, this world is temporal and we all know that. Kani lang hunahunaa, we are given the freewill and intellect by God and we are deemed responsible and accountable sa mao nga butang. Gihatag na sa ginoo ang tanan, even His only Son para lang makasabot ta sa iyaha. That's why there is Judgment day!

Ang dakong kalahian bai is inyong God is Impersonal while sa amo is Personal.

Do you believe that mahadlok si Satan biyaan if you reached godhood? mao jud hinuon na iyang ampay...hhehhee. Kay daghan iyang mailad like in the case of Genesis account, the temptation of Eve. Tempting humans to be god of their own and do not need God in the process. Inyo lang gi trim pag-ayo para mo fit ang concept about God-in-us!

Igo rana sa atong hunahuna nga atong mabiyaan si Satan diri, unsaon man nga naa man gihapon ta nagpuyo diri sa kalibutan uban niya? kung mamatay sad kay mobalik raman kaha gihapon kay mo reincarnate? kuyog gihapon si satan.

Study the lives of those gitawag nga "enlightened" ones TS, like the celebrities...lady gaga,etc. Its true youll have fame and fortune but unsa na ang ilang morality karon?

[Breakeven]

...ani na lng nga question:
what if sa imong pagtuo, tinood ka nga anak, unya tinood nimo sila nga parents? within your family, you really thought that tinood gyud nimo silang igsoon ug mga ginikanan. then when you go outside of your house, you heard that you are son of someone and that adopted lng ka? what will you do? seguro di na lng ka mangita sa tinood nimo nga parents ug igsoon ky anyway hayahay man ni nga pamilya, datu man kaayo, bahala na lng to oi kinsa to sila

but what if you are suffering within the family and that your true family is hayahay and datu? or mas datu mas hayahay pa sila?

Dili naman mangita ang tinuod nga Christian TS kay nakabalo naman mi nga ang among gituohan nga Ginoo mao ang nagbuhat sa tanang butang in heaven and earth. He is the way, the truth and the life. Unsa paman among pangitaon ngadto sa uban?

Colossians 1:16
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

[noy]

before bro i worship Jesus as God, but now i doubt... doubt lng ha, meaning i'm not sure yet... considering the statement, explanations and interpretations nga everyone can attain Christhood, i think Paul had attained what Jesus had attained but could be that Jesus is more advance and have attained more than Christhood

here are the options about Jesus as God:
1. Christianity - Jesus is God, the only Son of God
2. Christ - God is impersonal and so is Christ (but not Jesus)
3. Jesus is not the only Son of God - bec we are all sons of God

1. if thinking that Jesus is God, what will I do to be saved? wait for his second coming? i mean many people for almost 2000 years, been waiting for his coming back? just believe in him then i will be saved? and if reincarnation is true, he could had come back already but people don't recognize him anymore, failure already happened and is still happening, d na tinood nga mubalik pa siya dri bro as Jesus para nako, why man, para ilansang na pud? then would create a war bec all the christians will be trying to defend him nga di malansang ug usab. then unsa christian group iyang pili-on nga naa man differences ang different christianity

2. If God is not a super person, like we humans but with powers, and His only Son is Christ (similar but lesser in nature), if that thought is true and i work my self to attain that. then if it is not true, at least i tried, but i could still go back to my religion. ang bag-o ninyo ma membro di ba pareha ra sa pagtan-aw sa Ginoo sa mga karaan? Or special ang karaan nga members para sa Ginoo?

3. kani murag sayon sayon ni sabton, i already explained it in my previous post: Man is body, spirit and soul, why we are all sons of God bec we are our souls, ang atong soul anak sa Ginoo nga Soul pud, ug nganong nalahi sa christianity, naa sa akong previous post, but if want more explanation, tagaan ghapon taka

"'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment." (Matt. 22:37-38 )


with your own opinion bro, how can you explain these verses? these are from the bible, i mean apilon gyud na nimo ang naa sa bible or pili-on lng pud nimo?

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'" (Matt. 7:21-23)

"My teaching is not my own. It comes from Him who sent me." (John 7:16)

"If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but He sent me." (John 8:42)

Can i ask you bro... are you a son of God?

sorry bro, imu na diay gitubag tong question nako about ni paul...
if paul was able to attain Christhood? then why did he share in his letter to the romans about the conflict in him.
see romans 7:14 onwards...and why is it that paul declares that only through Christ that He can do all things(philippians4:13)..and why does he always exalt the name of Jesus if they were equal?
and why is it said on the bible in philippians 2:9-11
Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name,that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Jesus is the name above all names kung maohon pa, kung tao ra siya,how come bro nga iyahang name ra man gi declare sa bible or ni paul nga possible pud kaha naka attain ug Christhood...

paul healed the sick,did even greater things than what Jesus..but why does he exalts the name of Jesus?
so if kung si paul wa pa pud diay naka attain ug Christhood? then what hope is there for us nalang diay ani?

about your arguments,
1.Jesus will not come back to be crucified again of course,humana ang sacrifice nga part...
nig balik niya bro,adlaw na na ting singil...kung kinsa ang sakakop si ning believe sa iyaha...
the day of separation between those who are and not for the Lord.
and when we say believe,of course not the juan tamad version of believing oi...like believe lang..of course if one believes in Jesus,then that person ought to follow His commandments...
di man na matawag ug belief kung way buhat..bible tells about faith without action is a dead faith...
-the differences between Christian sects are minor doctrines only...
the nicene creed best describes the totality of the Christian faith, the belief in the trinity,father,son and spirit
resurrection,forgiveness of sins,pabtism and the life everlasting...

2.God is not a superperson because He is more than that..
mao nay gitakagakan sa mga pharisees sa unang panahon..kay ilang gi kanchawan
si Jesus nga ang Ginoo wa nakatang2x sa iyang kaugalingun sa cross..
no nail can hold Jesus on the cross..but only His Love for us..
there is no seniority when it comes to the Lord bai,mao btaw to imung gi qoute
nga verse kadtong many will call me Lord....kay di na mu matter kung kinsa ga una..the Lord looks at the heart..
maski pag naniguwang naka sa simbahan..unya wala ka nausab..wala ka nagbatun ug putli nga Love for others...
ambut lang kaha ug maapil ba kas panon...
in fact and mas nag una maoy daghan dapat ug trabaho...same sa concept sa
good leader is a good follower...kung kang spiderman pa,with great powers comes great responsibility...

3.speaking about body,soul and spirit bro..
our souls come from God..that's why ang tao would always long for eternity...mao nang ang tao would always seek goodness...but conflict with the flesh happens...
mangita jud ug progress kanunay...maski datu na,ganhan pa jud madatu....because our soul longs for the one that is everlasting...
ang body,obviously and physical aspct sa tao...tanan2x...nga makita sa naked eye...
ang spirit,somehow plays a major role...it's like a 2 edged sword...
in can be used as a means of salvation or eternal damnation...
mao bitaw nang naay term nga spiritually dead, 'cause people sometimes chose to shut spirituality down...
it is in the spirit where faith,hope and mostly salvation lies....
now if dili holy spirit ang magkig union sa human spirit...paksit jud na...
'cause it is throught he spirit that we can see and talk with God...
kabantay ka sa prayer nga naa juy muingun in union with the holy spirit...

i believe bro that i became an adopted son of God when i accpeted the Lord Jesus...
which places me in no way to be equal with the Only Son.
i believe i have gain the right to be His child through His Only Son Christ Jesus..
but the race has not ended yet and my battle hasn't ended yet till my soul rests in Him..
so for verification kung angayan ba ko...si God ray nahibaw ana...
but until my last breath,i'll fight a good fight to keep the gift of salvation..

murag ing ani ba, without Jesus,i am just a servant...but with Jesus i earned the right to be included in God's family as one of of His children...
i'll leave you with this verse bro...

Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God
John 1:12

and of course bro, tanang naa sa new testament sa bible,usapun jud na nako...
sa old testament, depende kay ang mosaic or jewish law man gud consists of ceremonial and civil laws which may not be applicable sa atong time...but the moral teachings sa old testament of course..apil jud na...

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

TS, tuo pod ka atong gi ingon nga ni adto ug India si Jesus? sa missing years niya sa bible.

i cannot say that i believe/don't believe if it is true. i know that it could not be authentic but somehow there are some explanations:

as what i have read, murag wala daw sa bible pag 12-30 years, but naa daw research nga didto siya sa India ug Himalayas. Wa ba pud kaha siya niadto sa sa langit during that time, niadto sa iyang amahan?

source: Lost years of Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The lost years of Jesus concerns the undocumented timespan between Jesus's childhood and the beginning of his ministry as recorded in the New Testament.
The gospels have accounts of events surrounding Jesus' birth, and the subsequent flight into Egypt to escape the wrath of Herod (Gospel of Matthew 2:13-23). There is a general reference to the settlement of Joseph and Mary, along with the young Jesus, at Nazareth(Matthew 2:23; Gospel of Luke 2:39-40). There is also an isolated account of Joseph, Mary, and Jesus' visit to the city of Jerusalem to celebrate the Passover, when Jesus was twelve years old (Luke 2:41-50).
Following that episode, there is a blank space in the record that covers eighteen years in the life of Christ (from age 12 to 30). Other than the generic allusion that Jesus advanced in wisdom, stature, and in favor with God and man (Luke 2:52), the Bible gives nothing more about Jesus' life during this time span. A common assumption amongst Christians is that Jesus simply lived in Nazareth during that period, but there are various accounts that present other scenarios, including travels to India.
Several authors have claimed to have found proof of the existence of manuscripts in India and Tibet that support the belief that Christ was in India during this time in his life. Others cite legends in a number of places in the region that Jesus passed that way in ancient times.^[1] The Jesus in India manuscript was first reported in modern times by Nicolas Notovitch (1894). Subsequently several other authors have written on the subject, including the religious leader Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (founder of Ahmadiyya movement) (1899), Levi H. Dowling (190, Swami Abhedananda (1922),^[2] Nicholas Roerich (1923–192,^[1] Mathilde Ludendorff (1930), and Elizabeth Clare Prophet (founder of Ascended Master Teachings New Age group) (1956).