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[jack_bauer]

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^^kung oridinary na tawo.. pero kung mga politician na biskan tinuod pwede naka file ug libel..

this libel online will make us more circumspect. hence, a peaceful community..

[cliff_drew]

don't worry guys... there's no penalty mentioned for committing online libel related to Art. 355 of the Revised Penal Code and committed through computer systems. so bring it on!

[lodyl]

^^That I LIKE.....

[Lakbay Pilipino]

...elements of libel are: (a) imputation of a discreditable act or condition to another; (b) publication of the imputation; (c) identity of the person defamed; and, (d) existence of malice. [Daez v. Court of Appeals, G.R. No. 47971, 31 October 1990, 191 SCRA 61, 67]

common misconception sa libel.. LIBEL can only occur when there is MALICE.. kung mo ingon kay naay ok-ok imong g.kaon, for dios por santo dili na libel oi kung ng sulti kas TINUOD..

we're not trying a case here. we're talking about getting sued for libel.

unfortunately, it is the alleged victim who will decide if there was MALICE or not.

i have friends who got sued for libel for filing administrative charges against the alleged "victim" in a certain institution. they alleged that the person violated graft and corruption and submitted evidences for the adminstrative body to decide. most likely the case will be dismissed kay filing of administrative charges is simply filing administrative charges! not some unproven conspiracy theory that the complainants were out to malign the reputation of the said "victim". the point again is, the "victim" can file a libel under article 355 of our revised penal code even with such hogwash reason as this.

second example: case ni Pacquiao. an online journalist posted pronouncements of the Highway Patrol Group saying that Pacquiao was involved in a car syndicate. the journalist was sued for libel by Pacquiao! note this, the journalist was merely reporting facts. of course the case was dismissed, but that's not the point. the point is, he was accused of libel.

though i've not been through a case of libel, i've shared my friends' anguish and hassle of getting sued for libel. you have to appear in court, you have to pay for a lawyer, sell your car, and all those stupid things that in the first place, shouldn't have happened to you!

just the mere fact of getting sued for libel will gag and silence you. libel cases filed in the Philippines, according to Raissa Robles' post, "...are mostly not meant to be won. These are mostly filed in order to create a chilling effect on other reporters and to make the accused journalist’s life harder." karun, nga apil na online, tanang netizens - from bloggers to istorya forumers to facebookers, will be subject to harassment.

and last point, ma file-an japon ka'g libel bisag tinuod ang imong gi ingon. here's the text lifted from the revised penal code,
"Art. 354. Requirement for publicity. — Every defamatory imputation is presumed to be malicious, even if it be true, if no good intention and justifiable motive for making it is shown..." (emphasis mine)

here's an example and quoting again Raissa Roble's post,

"Under Philippine libel law, truth is not a defense. Something posted online may be true but the offended party could claim it is malicious. For instance, ex-FG Mike Arroyo thought that calling him fat – even if true – was malicious."

gikiha ni FG Mike Arroyo si Lito Banayo, a columnist and spokesman of Panfilo Lacson. Mi ingon si Lito Banayo nga "fat spouse" daw si FG Mike. unsay resulta? gikiha siya.

so with my example, the restaurant could sue me for libel for tweeting that naay ok-ok ilang lomi bisag tinuod, kay i'm insinuating nga hugawan sila nga pagka restaurant.

[jack_bauer]

^point taken, so your fear is of being sued for libel and perhaps incidence of libel suits may raise 100folds.

You seemed so well versed in legal writings and in fact i;m inclined to believed that you are a lawyer, being the case, i would presume you understand the preliminary hearing procedure.

Now, lets take for example the "ok-ok", sa restaurant, do you really believed this will be raffled for a case?

...and as to media concerns, that will serve them due notice that they should only limit themselves to appropriate journalistic practices lest they be sued.

[Lakbay Pilipino]

er, not really well versed hahaha, bukad pod akong atay da. polsci grad lang ko so naa koi background og law.

as to the ok-ok incidence, pwede maka push ang restaurant ana. well let me just cite in practice kay lahi jud kaayo sa pilipinas, ang mga theory kay dili ma translate into practice. nindot kaayo ang mga balaod gipanghimo but as what marius said, daghang maayong laki nga maka twist jud og mga nindot nga balaod.

pero balik ta sa ok-ok, kung pananglitan mahitabo na siya, unya gi tweet jud nako unya follower diay nako ang tag-iya (ereng.) na bad trip siya, konsulta siya'g maayong laki nga manlalaban, aw naa nay kaso. present dayun ang manlalaban og prima facie evidence sa korte, i.e. akong tweet, nya maayong laki lagi ang atty, ma accept siya for a hearing.

wa na, kung wa koi ika bail, adto ko pundok sa mga kawatan ug mandurugas sa presohan. paita.

wala may problema nga dapat i disiplina ang mga pilipino pinaagi sa pag pasa og mga balaod nga istrikto. pero ang pinoy man gud, sobra sa ka resourceful, nga bisan ang mga balaod gihimo aron pagpakgang og sala-od, mahimo naman hinuon og hinagiban sa mga manlupigon ug adunahan! like i said before, layo ra kaayo ang theory nga gipanday sa mga mambabalaod sa actual nga execution. bisan sa 1987 constitution duna man gani disparity sa mga actual nga mga balaod.

one example. sa Article II, section 17 sa Consti nag ingon nga, "The State shall give priority to education, science and technology, arts, culture, and sports to foster patriotism and nationalism, accelerate social progress, and promote total human liberation and development." pero unsa man ang gisunod? ang automatic appropriations act diin mag serbisyo ta's utang mga 50% sa budget allocated na daan. gi unsa man pag find og loophole sa mga kanahan? syempre mabaon ta's utang kung di ta mobayad, mao nang ang mando supposedly sa pinaka labaw nga balaod sa tibuok Pilipinas gipasintabi lang.

mao nang dali ko or kami mo kisi-kisi kung makakita mi'g sama ni-ani nga mahimong hinagiban napod sa mga manlupigon para ipadayon ang ilang pagpanlupig.

[mudskipper77]

unsa kahay impact ani nga balaod sa ordinaryong Pilipino?

[jack_bauer]

er, not really well versed hahaha, bukad pod akong atay da. polsci grad lang ko so naa koi background og law.

as to the ok-ok incidence, pwede maka push ang restaurant ana. well let me just cite in practice kay lahi jud kaayo sa pilipinas, ang mga theory kay dili ma translate into practice. nindot kaayo ang mga balaod gipanghimo but as what marius said, daghang maayong laki nga maka twist jud og mga nindot nga balaod.

pero balik ta sa ok-ok, kung pananglitan mahitabo na siya, unya gi tweet jud nako unya follower diay nako ang tag-iya (ereng.) na bad trip siya, konsulta siya'g maayong laki nga manlalaban, aw naa nay kaso. present dayun ang manlalaban og prima facie evidence sa korte, i.e. akong tweet, nya maayong laki lagi ang atty, ma accept siya for a hearing.

wa na, kung wa koi ika bail, adto ko pundok sa mga kawatan ug mandurugas sa presohan. paita.

wala may problema nga dapat i disiplina ang mga pilipino pinaagi sa pag pasa og mga balaod nga istrikto. pero ang pinoy man gud, sobra sa ka resourceful, nga bisan ang mga balaod gihimo aron pagpakgang og sala-od, mahimo naman hinuon og hinagiban sa mga manlupigon ug adunahan! like i said before, layo ra kaayo ang theory nga gipanday sa mga mambabalaod sa actual nga execution. bisan sa 1987 constitution duna man gani disparity sa mga actual nga mga balaod.

one example. sa Article II, section 17 sa Consti nag ingon nga, "The State shall give priority to education, science and technology, arts, culture, and sports to foster patriotism and nationalism, accelerate social progress, and promote total human liberation and development." pero unsa man ang gisunod? ang automatic appropriations act diin mag serbisyo ta's utang mga 50% sa budget allocated na daan. gi unsa man pag find og loophole sa mga kanahan? syempre mabaon ta's utang kung di ta mobayad, mao nang ang mando supposedly sa pinaka labaw nga balaod sa tibuok Pilipinas gipasintabi lang.

mao nang dali ko or kami mo kisi-kisi kung makakita mi'g sama ni-ani nga mahimong hinagiban napod sa mga manlupigon para ipadayon ang ilang pagpanlupig.

reading through your arguments, are you saying we will not make laws anymore? ..since we are bad in implementing it?

sush, ngano sakyan man gyud ning FREEDOM OF SPEECH issue ba, kinsa may lobbyist ani.. kanang mga block-timer sa media..
ka daghan ana nila ah.. hasta c Pildi Jud, instant media man.. naa pay programa sa radyo..

..and regarding sa "ok-ok" gi.sakyan ug adunahan g.kasohan ang pobri nga tungod sa iyang tweet, unsaon kaha pg trace sa prima facie evidence, na anyone can upload pictures,? ..again, daghan ni loopholes nga balaod, pero ngano mang atong sawayon nga para man nis kaayohan..

[Ronzkie23]

BYHARRY ROQUE
Posted on 09/19/2012 10:45 PM | Updated 09/20/2012 11:22 AM


New cybercrime law which makes electronic libel a major criminal offense with over 6 months' jail time

"The new [Philippine] Cybercrime law is an outright defiance of the UN Human Rights Committee View in the case of Alexander Adonis vs. Republic of the Philippines.

Read More ... Here: Cybercrime law: See you in court, PNoy - Silobreaker

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[jack_bauer]

TS, 2nd thread nman ni nimo about the same topic, anti-cybercrime law.. imo rabang biyaan..

https://www.istorya.net/forums/politi...cannot-do.html