Enough ra ba na kung maayo kang tao?

[noy]

in the words of Jesus,

“Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it” (Matt 7:13-14).

“For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven” (Matt. 5:20).

Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God” (John 3:3)

“If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life lame or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the everlasting fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire” (Matt. 18:8-9).

And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell” (Matt. 10:2.

“His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire”(Matt. 3:12).

“Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven. But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven”(Matt. 10:32-33).



actually daghan pa, so much for no heaven and hell...

i agree that hell should not be the reason why we should follow Jesus' commandments
but believing that Hell is not real is another story

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

in the words of Jesus,

“Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it” (Matt 7:13-14).

“For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven” (Matt. 5:20).

Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God” (John 3:3)

“If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life lame or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the everlasting fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire” (Matt. 18:8-9).

And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell” (Matt. 10:2.

“His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire”(Matt. 3:12).

“Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven. But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven”(Matt. 10:32-33).



actually daghan pa, so much for no heaven and hell...

i agree that hell should not be the reason why we should follow Jesus' commandments
but believing that Hell is not real is another story

the kingdom of God is within you, nganong naa pa man langit nga naa ra man diay nato ang Ginoo? so di gyud na tinood ang langit. gihimo na, para naay middleman nga kunuhay bunyagan ka, pakumpisalon ka, pangadyi-an para malangit... so segurado ang kwarta

daghan secret teachings si Jesus, mostly naa sa bible but coded, ang nakasabot ang katong iyahang mga disciples ug students, and di tanan Jews, some are from other race, and other religion

[noy]

ok ra na bro, imoha sad nang interpretation..i'd rather go with the original ones
ilhan ra na inig ka ka tigbak nato..tuo ko nga naay langit ug impierno
pero ningkamut ko sa pagsunod ni Jesus isip pasalamat sa iyang pagluwas nko tungod sa iyang gugma.
pahibaw.a niya mi kung maka attain naka ug Christhood ha, kay para nimu kita man kaha tanan
mahimung Christ..sa ato pa, kita tanan taga cebu,cebu lang ha...
pakyas na ta daan ug wala nay paglaum sa kinabuhing dayun kay wala pa koy nailhan,,sa cebu lang ha?
na naka attain ug Christhood,"if such term actually exist.

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

ok ra na bro, imoha sad nang interpretation..i'd rather go with the original ones
ilhan ra na inig ka ka tigbak nato..tuo ko nga naay langit ug impierno
pero ningkamut ko sa pagsunod ni Jesus isip pasalamat sa iyang pagluwas nko tungod sa iyang gugma.
pahibaw.a niya mi kung maka attain naka ug Christhood ha, kay para nimu kita man kaha tanan
mahimung Christ..sa ato pa, kita tanan taga cebu,cebu lang ha...
pakyas na ta daan ug wala nay paglaum sa kinabuhing dayun kay wala pa koy nailhan,,sa cebu lang ha?
na naka attain ug Christhood,"if such term actually exist.

ok ra pud na bro but i'll share to you about the story nganong nahitabo na. Jesus, during his time, esp. katong pinaka peak sa iyang ministry, he was so popular nga hadlok kaayo ang Rome. Remember unsa sila ka big, strong, powerful nga Roman Empire sauna but hadlok sila ni Jesus sa iyang abilidad ug sa kadaghan sa iyang followers. Remember what the Romans did to Jesus?

Jesus had a group of followers including the disciples and di tanan Jews. some of them naa sa public ky naa man pud daghan trabaho as part of earthly life. Jesus actually taught to some of his selected followers in public, just like Moses pud, naa pud selected followers nga gitudlu-an nya unsa iya nakat-onan sa Egypt as an ex-prince in public but coded gihapon. Ky public man, he taught them in parables and codes but kani ra selected followers and nakasabot, ang public of course they thought nga story lng and it is about the physical/earthly life. And Jesus actually, taught everything he knew to his followers. kanang iyang gi pang perform nga miracles, naa na siya mga followers nga kabalo but of course dapat, di ipakita sa public, siya lng for his followers nga makatoo nga tinood na if you do this and that.

Now, since kuyawan na ang Rome, ilang gi crucify si Jesus. pagkamatay nya, since wa na ang pinaka leader, gi pa abolish ang original teachings but not totally ky kuyawan sila nga basin ug mo rebel against them, ilang gi kuha ang mga passages and teachings ug gi adopt nila sa religion sa Rome, ilang gisagol. so, it's either follow sa Rome or be persecuted. Kanang mga rebolto sa mga saints, mao na ang sa Rome originally. Pero nakasayop lng sa Rome, ky gatoo pud sila nga plain lng ang teachings ni Jesus, but coded na siya, unless disciple ka ni Jesus, makasabot ka ug unsay ipasabot sa mga parables ug teachings nga nasulat sa Bible.

Gatoo ang Rome, ug nawala na ang original teachings, but there are some places, outside Jerusalem, nga naa pud mga followers, disciples, and students si Jesus, na preserve ang iyang teachings hangtud karon.

Tagaan ta ka sa usa sa gi adopt sa Rome from the original teachings but the church wa gyud kasabot ani. kanang sa misa bai di ba moingon ang pari nga "Ang Ginoo, maanaa kaninyo" unya abtik kaayo ta mubaws nga "Ana pud kanimo". Wa kasabot ang simbahan ana pero ang pasabot ana nga Ginoo naa ra nato. So wai langit, kung naa man gani, wala ang Ginoo didto ky naa ra nato. kung unsa ang pasabot ana, kana mao ang kwestyon? depende na sa pagsabot sa kada usa nato.

[noy]

thanks for the sharing bai.
*can you expound why Jesus diciples had to go use His name if they would perform miracles and not by their own names if they themselves were able to attain "Christhood"?
*it wasn't ROME who crucified Jesus,yes Israel was under ROME and the soldiers who crucified Jesus were romans under pilate...
but not under pilate's order and certainly not under ROME. ROME did not even understand why Jesus had to be crucified for proclaiming himself as the king of the Jews.hence, pilate "washed hsui hands" saying that he was not responsible for the blood of Jesus..
The pharisees and the Jews were the ones who asked the ROMANS to crucify Jesus
for the cause of blasphemy and breaking several mosaic laws
remember at first, the pharisees presented Jesus to Herod, in which Herod thought of Him as a lunatic and did not recommend crufuxion for Jesus
so the pharisees went to a higher authority which in that case were the ROMANS
pilate did not even find a fault on Jesus, at least not worthy to be cucified...
and as tradition,rome releases a jewish prisoner every year.so pilate had them choose between barabas and Jesus.
Jews even chose barabas(the rapist/murdered) to be released over JEsus...
again IT WAS NOT THE ROMANS who crucified Jesus..
and ROME had nothing to fear from Jesus and his diciples
in fact, if you check history, early Christians were even executed,all og Jesus diciples were even martyrd for the sake of spreading Christianity
it was not at least 200-300AD that the practice of other faith are allowed in ROME.not at least until when emperor constantine was converted to Christianity.
ROME worshipped pagan gods sa una..even the apostle paul (once saul) was an executioner of early christians.

you however often said that the bible is not to be taken literally
how come you are taking the verse that says God's kingdom is within us so literally?

question bro,
*have you attained Christhood?
*and do you know when are you going to die?
*do you know at least in Cebu who have attained Christhood?
*kahibaw ka nga naay 3-4 people dies every second sa tibuok earth?do you know how many of them(who died)
have reached Christhood?suppose only 1 out of 3.what hope is in store for those who have not attained Christhood?if Jesus was just a mere example instead of a savior.

please answer accordingly

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

thanks for the sharing bai.
*can you expound why Jesus diciples had to go use His name if they would perform miracles and not by their own names if they themselves were able to attain "Christhood"?
*it wasn't ROME who crucified Jesus,yes Israel was under ROME and the soldiers who crucified Jesus were romans under pilate...
but not under pilate's order and certainly not under ROME. ROME did not even understand why Jesus had to be crucified for proclaiming himself as the king of the Jews.hence, pilate "washed hsui hands" saying that he was not responsible for the blood of Jesus..
The pharisees and the Jews were the ones who asked the ROMANS to crucify Jesus
for the cause of blasphemy and breaking several mosaic laws
remember at first, the pharisees presented Jesus to Herod, in which Herod thought of Him as a lunatic and did not recommend crufuxion for Jesus
so the pharisees went to a higher authority which in that case were the ROMANS
pilate did not even find a fault on Jesus, at least not worthy to be cucified...
and as tradition,rome releases a jewish prisoner every year.so pilate had them choose between barabas and Jesus.
Jews even chose barabas(the rapist/murdered) to be released over JEsus...
again IT WAS NOT THE ROMANS who crucified Jesus..
and ROME had nothing to fear from Jesus and his diciples
in fact, if you check history, early Christians were even executed,all og Jesus diciples were even martyrd for the sake of spreading Christianity
it was not at least 200-300AD that the practice of other faith are allowed in ROME.not at least until when emperor constantine was converted to Christianity.
ROME worshipped pagan gods sa una..even the apostle paul (once saul) was an executioner of early christians.

you however often said that the bible is not to be taken literally
how come you are taking the verse that says God's kingdom is within us so literally?

question bro, have you attained Christhood?
and do you know when are you going to die?

so many stories bai... but we don't know if it was made up or if it is the truth. pagkatao nato ug pagdako nato mao naman ang storya, so dawaton na lng nato nga wai pagsupak kung tinood bana or hinimo lng

it is not Jesus' name, it is God, for everything comes from God. even everything Jesus did is from God.

location would be literal but God's kingdom is not. wa ko ni attain ana bai... but mao na akong pagsabot for the only begotten Son of God, God is not like a person and and so is Christ. they are not something nga earthly in nature and so di parehas sa human nature.

i know the nature of death of which i will not explain it here ky mas mo complicate ra... but i respect your belief, be good always, if nakabuhat ka ug dautan sauna but relihyoso ug Dyosnon na ka karon, and naka kompisal na ka sa imong sala, be prepared ky bayad gihapon ka ug karma but be good always para di na ka magbayad ug karma sa sunod

[kolo]

TS, suwaye lang basin malangit ka ana hehe.. murag dako2x jud possibility hehehe

[sakagawasan]

Lisud na kaayo basta maapil na ang power2x, sa atoa kinabuhi, lain2x ang atoa pagtuo. Ang sakto sa uban sukwahi sa lain tawo. !asta nagbuhat ka sa matarong, ug wala ka makapasakit sa lain tawo. Igo na na kung tinoud naay kaluwasan. Pasagdai na lang na ang uban nga nagsulti nga ang mga maluwas kay ang mga membro ra sa ila pundok.
Kung tinoud nga ang mga wala mituo, pagalaglagon sa empyerno. Ayaw na mo kabalaka kay sa kadaghan nga pagano na namatay sukad sa pagkahimo sa kalibutan, dili na mo dawaton sa empyerno kay naghout na didto.

[geo25]

Kung dli ka religious; basta maayong tawo lang ka, bahala dli ka motuo ug ginoo--dli man pud ka evil.

[noy]

so many stories bai... but we don't know if it was made up or if it is the truth. pagkatao nato ug pagdako nato mao naman ang storya, so dawaton na lng nato nga wai pagsupak kung tinood bana or hinimo lng

it is not Jesus' name, it is God, for everything comes from God. even everything Jesus did is from God.

location would be literal but God's kingdom is not. wa ko ni attain ana bai... but mao na akong pagsabot for the only begotten Son of God, God is not like a person and and so is Christ. they are not something nga earthly in nature and so di parehas sa human nature.

i know the nature of death of which i will not explain it here ky mas mo complicate ra... but i respect your belief, be good always, if nakabuhat ka ug dautan sauna but relihyoso ug Dyosnon na ka karon, and naka kompisal na ka sa imong sala, be prepared ky bayad gihapon ka ug karma but be good always para di na ka magbayad ug karma sa sunod

i am not gonna site bible verses nalang ha 'cause it seems that you do not believe in it anyway...
'cause the bible tells about Jesus telling His diciples that we can ask the father anyhting in Jesus name..
acts of apostles shows several instances that they have driven demons,performed miracles in the name of Jesus
and it also has a verse that says that the father had proclaimed the name of Jesus as the name above all names...
please don't think i am conparing Jesus and God.for as a Christian they are one with the spirit.

so everything boils down from your point of view ra diay plus some added research...
so how did you know nga sakto jud ka?aside from you feeling it?
if you say that you are truly correct about the ideas of "Christhood?

many brilliant minds in the past would have contradicted your POV bro..
St.augustine perhaps and Thomas acquinas are not just the typical "Jesus Loves You" people
but they are doctors of church,studied theology for a great number of years..
have travelled and explored the world..had been exposed to different cultures..
how come they never landed on the same page with you?about the idea of everyone attaining Christhood...
does that follow that you may have understood something that they could possibly have missed?
'cause they too believed in what a normal Christian as myself believed..
are you saying that Jesus' divinity was just proposed by fanatics in His time?
then how come those bible scholars were not able to identify that error,but stood by it instead?
are you saying that you somehow enlightened compared to them?
and if the bible is just full of stories...how come that it is a great source of moralities and how come it speaks with conviction and authority? how come its publication still continues if dili pa diay na tinuod ang gipanulti diha...with our technology bro?
don't you think hagbay ra nang na ban ang publication sa bible if dili pa na tinuod nang naa diha?
bro, honestly, have you read the bible?at least even just the entirety of the new testament? from matthew to revelations?

by the way, the bible is not something i grew up with,i did not even know it was divided into 2 parts(old and new) till i went to USC 'cause i had to take REED classes. i did not grow up in a practicing Christian home..
and the only time that things got better was when i started reading the bible,about JEsus out of desperation..
i used to hate the church and the religous,almost ended not believing in God but only because i was ignorant and my ignorance caused me to judge quickly with human standards...
yes i believe in karma or whatever you call it.i call it consequences
'cause till now im still catching up and bridging the gaps caused by my youthful sins and lapses..
but the best part is i know someone not me has got my back...
'cause if salvation was up to me...hagbay ra ko gahikog sa kabuang aning kalibutana.
mao nang dili jud ko mutoo nga we can attain Christhood 'cause i went through hell
and i know nga without Jesus i wouldn't have make it...