Did the Great Flood during the time of Noah really happen?

[Sinyalan]

There's no exact date like 4000 b.c. but if you're going to trace it base on the generations of man then it will have an approximate figure.
...brod, if you trace an approximate figure by using existence of man, that's where you fail... only science can prove that. Bible does not trace existence of man but through the creation of man... and yet doesn't prove anything in the archinves basta lang they were created according to the bible. Mao nga there are BC and AD because of carbon dating.

Are you doubting the capacity or amount of water? how about the Hydrogen and Oxygen atoms to be combined and the water depot underneath.
You knw why there are still deserts, glaciers in northern hemispheres? If you think that 40 days and 40 nights of rain will flood the entire earth that's not enough. I would probably believe there was a great melt down rather than flooding the earth within 40 days/40 nights... did you ever know that in 1981 in vietnam it rained for 60 days straight? people were so scared that their means of livelihood will be washed out but they turned the rain into an ally for their crops. 40 days of noah's story in the bible was nothing compared to that. Yet, you're speaking in scientific terminolgies - thought you don't use other learning materials.

Don't you think turtles can't survive water, they (almost) can survive in land and water. There's no water animals on that ark. ants can found almost everywhere and no need to worry. Are you computing the speed of Turtle to reach at the ark? how about get a turtle nearby the ark.
This is scientific accounts brod. If noah noah knows scientific ways about how the ants, turtles can survive - it should be written in the book. If the purpose was to wipe out the entire living and non-living beings, why there are other animals away thousands of miles from noah that existed?

Low tide occurs in a certain part only because of gravitational pull between moon and sun, but still the amount of water is the same.
This is sceince not biblical accounts.

They've have found woods in Mt. Ararat which impossible to a good thinking man to bring it there.
People can do a lot of stupid things... that doesn't mean the wood wasn't included in mt. ararat. Take it for just one second to think... how does these scientists know about the noah's ark that showed up in mt. ararat? Was that really the noah's ark? For all we know, that could be another boat or a big house that shaped like a boat. Are there any positive conclusions that it is the real noah's ark? Nganong more than half of the people are skeptics about their discovery? Why? because these are all theories... they spoke of... "this looks like a tree of an old age and could be the noah's boat...." do you see the sentence there brod? looks like and could be. meaning they don't know... it's all just plain theories.

It is He who sits on the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in; Isaiah 40:22
This doesn't prove that the earth is circle or round... read closely. For all we know they were sitting in a circle that was sketched on the ground (earth). Does not fall in to conclusion that the earth is circle. CIRCLE OF THE EARTH... now tell me what does that mean?

Finally, there are tons of sceintific discovery that the bible can't prove that or vice versa but as we are in the age of internet and full skeptics and philosophers, the story holds nothing but to give people more confusions. If the entire noah's ark will show up somehwere in the pacific... then there will be changes. If not, it's all good story anyway.

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...brod, if you trace an approximate figure by using existence of man, that's where you fail... only science can prove that. Bible does not trace existence of man but through the creation of man... and yet doesn't prove anything in the archinves basta lang they were created according to the bible. Mao nga there are BC and AD because of carbon dating.
I think you know the meaning of BC and AD.
Count the generations or ages of man from the bible and it will give you approximate years from Adam down to present year.

You knw why there are still deserts, glaciers in northern hemispheres? If you think that 40 days and 40 nights of rain will flood the entire earth that's not enough. I would probably believe there was a great melt down rather than flooding the earth within 40 days/40 nights...
Really, how about knowing how intense the rain was even its only 40days and 40 nights if its a heavy rain like we can't imagine and plus the water depot underneath has been damaged and considering the meltdown, could it not cover the entire earth with water?

This is scientific accounts brod. If noah noah knows scientific ways about how the ants, turtles can survive - it should be written in the book. If the purpose was to wipe out the entire living and non-living beings, why there are other animals away thousands of miles from noah that existed?
What scientific only? its a biblical accounts and science can convey on it.
Did you know what types of animals are being entered at the ark, its:
8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth,
9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah. Genesis 7:8-9.
No sea animals or water creatures are mentioned because they can survive the flood.
Why thousands of miles? its only near and you can find all the animals.
The problem with you, you cant accept it that all types of animals creepeth upon the earth came to noah and it the animals was commanded by God to go to noah, its possible because He is God anyway.

This is sceince not biblical accounts.
Science or nature? I think one of the meaning of science is study of nature, right?
Pareha sa katiguwangan kahibalo sila kung muulan or kung naay bagyo kay nature man.
Pareha sa langgam (sayaw) sa bisaya kay kung muulan kay maglupadlupad sila.
Pareha sa hulmigas, kung muulan og kusog kay mamakwit sila sa yuta og mugawas kay mabasa sila.

People can do a lot of stupid things... that doesn't mean the wood wasn't included in mt. ararat. Take it for just one second to think... how does these scientists know about the noah's ark that showed up in mt. ararat? Was that really the noah's ark? For all we know, that could be another boat or a big house that shaped like a boat. Are there any positive conclusions that it is the real noah's ark? Nganong more than half of the people are skeptics about their discovery? Why? because these are all theories... they spoke of... "this looks like a tree of an old age and could be the noah's boat...." do you see the sentence there brod? looks like and could be. meaning they don't know... it's all just plain theories.

yes its stupid if a man can bring a huge or a big amount of woods up there, to think that its hard to climb.
Its noah's ark because no other information for them to know how could it be there.
Let me ask you, can you found any high mountain in the country near to Mt. ararat that has woods?i doubt.
The book of Genesis or bible are specific that it lands on the Mt. Ararat and luckily expidetioners found a rare and old wood and it corresponds to the wood mentioned in the bible that builds the ark.

This doesn't prove that the earth is circle or round... read closely. For all we know they were sitting in a circle that was sketched on the ground (earth). Does not fall in to conclusion that the earth is circle. CIRCLE OF THE EARTH... now tell me what does that mean?
Doesn't prove or you can't accept that it was mentioned already in the bible that the earth is round or circle (spherical to be exact).
Anyway, dili diay round ang earth bro. sinyalan kay dili man kaha prove ang (Isaiah 40:22)? Mura man kag POPE sa panahon ni Galileo, dili tuo.

Finally, there are tons of sceintific discovery that the bible can't prove that or vice versa but as we are in the age of internet and full skeptics and philosophers, the story holds nothing but to give people more confusions. If the entire noah's ark will show up somehwere in the pacific... then there will be changes. If not, it's all good story anyway.
Tons of scientific discovery? Give me one.
The details can't be found in the bible but it was mentioned.

Peace!

[Sinyalan]

Count the generations or ages of man from the bible and it will give you approximate years from Adam down to present year.
Sige kuno beh ikaw kuno pangutan-on ini... let's see if you can get an approximate years down to present without using science... no BC or AD. Abir?

What scientific only? its a biblical accounts and science can convey on it.
Did you know what types of animals are being entered at the ark, its:
Two-faced man ka brod, gamit ka ug science, karun dili na sad ka gamit sa science kay naa gyud sa bible. Kinsay may motoo nimo sa imong mga gipangyawyaw karon nga ikaw man gani usab-usab imong huna-huna. Sige kuno beh, mention kuno tanang animals nga nasulod sa ark ni noah. From A to Z... segregate ang mammals to animals.

No sea animals or water creatures are mentioned because they can survive the flood.
duh, ang bible nag-ingon nga wa ipabilin nga livig things... so, there was big misinterpretation ang bible sa mga tawo nganong wa ma apil ang mga sea creatures.

The problem with you, you cant accept it that all types of animals creepeth upon the earth came to noah and it the animals was commanded by God to go to noah, its possible because He is God anyway.
The problem with you brod is that you don't hold solid evidence to prove your claim... if you want me to believe in your claims... provide a statistical evidences, lisod ba na ihatag? If you still insists on using the bible... LOOPHOLES!

Science or nature? I think one of the meaning of science is study of nature, right?
Pareha sa katiguwangan kahibalo sila kung muulan or kung naay bagyo kay nature man.
Pareha sa langgam (sayaw) sa bisaya kay kung muulan kay maglupadlupad sila.
Pareha sa hulmigas, kung muulan og kusog kay mamakwit sila sa yuta og mugawas kay mabasa sila.
Kurat nimo brod, it only describes as nature when science described the whole phenomena as nature. If no science, how would you know if it's nature?

yes its stupid if a man can bring a huge or a big amount of woods up there, to think that its hard to climb.
Its noah's ark because no other information for them to know how could it be there.
Let me ask you, can you found any high mountain in the country near to Mt. ararat that has woods?i doubt.
The book of Genesis or bible are specific that it lands on the Mt. Ararat and luckily expidetioners found a rare and old wood and it corresponds to the wood mentioned in the bible that builds the ark.
I just told you brod, people can do a lot of stupid things... if you find wood up there, it's not me to ask... ask the people who brought it there. But you still dind't answer my line of thought...

Doesn't prove or you can't accept that it was mentioned already in the bible that the earth is round or circle (spherical to be exact).
Anyway, dili diay round ang earth bro. sinyalan kay dili man kaha prove ang (Isaiah 40:22)? Mura man kag POPE sa panahon ni Galileo, dili tuo.
Basaha gud ug tarong imong anwer...if you know how to read english or just understand the basic principles of reading english... what does this mean? CIRCLE OF THE EARTH kay ang bible mentioned this... noah doesn't know the earth was round... unya balihon na hinoon ta nga dili circle ang earth... bangas ka. This only prove brod that you're just mimicking people's mistakes.

Tons of scientific discovery? Give me one.
The details can't be found in the bible but it was mentioned.
COMPUTER... that doesn't count as scientific discovery? I can give you more if you want. Tingali na mention ni sa Bible nga there was computers sa panahon ni noah.

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duh, ang bible nag-ingon nga wa ipabilin nga livig things... so, there was big misinterpretation ang bible sa mga tawo nganong wa ma apil ang mga sea creatures.
Its logic my friend, why would sea creatures will be included in fact they can survive the flood.
Its you who is misinterpreting.

The problem with you brod is that you don't hold solid evidence to prove your claim... if you want me to believe in your claims... provide a statistical evidences, lisod ba na ihatag? If you still insists on using the bible... LOOPHOLES!
I've given you some link and evidence.
And I've given you a situation to think of, but what happened you didn't consider or even accepted it.

Kurat nimo brod, it only describes as nature when science described the whole phenomena as nature. If no science, how would you know if it's nature?
Unsay kurat? yes it will be nature even we don't study it.
But unfortunate to you, God commanded to study nature and God teaches science, in case you didn't know.

I just told you brod, people can do a lot of stupid things... if you find wood up there, it's not me to ask... ask the people who brought it there. But you still dind't answer my line of thought...
How can I ask noah? I'm giving you a situation that its impossible to bring it there.

CIRCLE OF THE EARTH kay ang bible mentioned this... noah doesn't know the earth was round...
Are you sure?

unya balihon na hinoon ta nga dili circle ang earth... bangas ka.
Buot nimo pasabot gibali tika nga dili ka tuo nga ang earth circle?
Try review your post kung wala ba ka ni deny.
And kakuyaw lang nimo bro noh kay, kung wala pa mapicture sa apollo 11 nga earth circle/round/spherical dili gyud siguro ka tuo kay gusto nimo solic fact.

COMPUTER... that doesn't count as scientific discovery?
Did you know how the computer started?
Tingali na mention ni sa Bible nga there was computers sa panahon ni noah.
See you're not certain.
Computer is in the bible for your information.

If you can define computer then you can answer it for yourself.

Peace!

[Sinyalan]

duh, ang bible nag-ingon nga wa ipabilin nga livig things... so, there was big misinterpretation ang bible sa mga tawo nganong wa ma apil ang mga sea creatures.
Its logic my friend, why would sea creatures will be included in fact they can survive the flood.
Its you who is misinterpreting.
--okay, I'm going to be literal... WIPED OUT THE EARTH!!! translated that logic for you!

The problem with you brod is that you don't hold solid evidence to prove your claim... if you want me to believe in your claims... provide a statistical evidences, lisod ba na ihatag? If you still insists on using the bible... LOOPHOLES!
I've given you some link and evidence.
And I've given you a situation to think of, but what happened you didn't consider or even accepted it.
What evidence? Evidence that they they discovered the ark? Try and read again that link you gave... puro gihapon "...it could be, looks like, should be... " would that present as a final discovery? I don't hink so...!

Kurat nimo brod, it only describes as nature when science described the whole phenomena as nature. If no science, how would you know if it's nature?
Unsay kurat? yes it will be nature even we don't study it.
But unfortunate to you, God commanded to study nature and God teaches science, in case you didn't know.
-- you don't get my point brod... but that's okay, you're just adding a statement over mine...

I just told you brod, people can do a lot of stupid things... if you find wood up there, it's not me to ask... ask the people who brought it there. But you still dind't answer my line of thought...
How can I ask noah? I'm giving you a situation that its impossible to bring it there.
---I just told you also, people would do a lot of stupid things just to make a buck. Himo man gani nang pyramid nga pirting dagkoa nga blocks unsa na kaha nga dali ra guroyun and kahuy.

CIRCLE OF THE EARTH kay ang bible mentioned this... noah doesn't know the earth was round...
Are you sure?
---ikaw kuno, sure ka nga si noah knows the earth was circle? Hain ra ba gud nang iintelligence nila compared sa panahon ni Galileo.

unya balihon na hinoon ta nga dili circle ang earth... bangas ka.
Buot nimo pasabot gibali tika nga dili ka tuo nga ang earth circle?
Try review your post kung wala ba ka ni deny.
And kakuyaw lang nimo bro noh kay, kung wala pa mapicture sa apollo 11 nga earth circle/round/spherical dili gyud siguro ka tuo kay gusto nimo solic fact.
---brod, you're too unrealistic sa imong tubag. The verse you gave was to translate it... wala didto sa verse nimo nga nag-ingon nga circle ang earth... they said...CIRCLE OF THE EARTH. They didn't even know the earth was circle... not until Galileo told the church... but was too late for them to know... kahibaw ka brod si Galileo was a devouted Catholic? He reads books - including the bible... the bible was not enough for him to discover something. Mabawa nimo ug kalipay brod kay ako dili motoo ug dili circle ang earth.

COMPUTER... that doesn't count as scientific discovery?
Did you know how the computer started?
--sige kuno beh, sulti kuno beh... sutaon nato.
--Tell me brod, what was the first ever recorded computer discovered that you can think of?

Tingali na mention ni sa Bible nga there was computers sa panahon ni noah.
See you're not certain.
Computer is in the bible for your information.
---Naa diay computer si noah?
---hatag kuno ang verse nga nagmention (literally using a computer) ang bible... basin tingali ang imong sabut nga gi-unsa pag-print sa mga revisions...

If you can define computer then you can answer it for yourself.
--- define what? and answer it for myself what? You confused me. Is this a trick question?

Peace!




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--sige kuno beh, sulti kuno beh... sutaon nato.
--Tell me brod, what was the first ever recorded computer discovered that you can think of?
---Naa diay computer si noah?
---hatag kuno ang verse nga nagmention (literally using a computer) ang bible... basin tingali ang imong sabut nga gi-unsa pag-print sa mga revisions...

First of all the meaning of Computer" a device used to process data at high speed".
Abacus was a computer right?

---ikaw kuno, sure ka nga si noah knows the earth was circle? Hain ra ba gud nang iintelligence nila compared sa panahon ni Galileo.
Yes because he believed and feared God.
Can you see it, Noah build the ark without using any nails and noah used woods that can't be penetrated by water.

--okay, I'm going to be literal... WIPED OUT THE EARTH!!! translated that logic for you!
Wiped out the earth? with what?
Water right, so can sea creatures or water creatures can be wiped out? Its non-sense to bring sea or water creature in the ark to the fact that they can survive.

Peace!

[Sinyalan]

First of all the meaning of Computer" a device used to process data at high speed".
Abacus was a computer right?
Where did you get that meaning/defintion brod? Dictionary? 'di lang ko makiglalis nimo about ani brod because you might go and add more defintions about computers that you don't fix them everyday when it's broken... but I do!
Abacus -- unya, where did this piece of "computer" came from? China or Mesopotamia? ... and by real definition, abacus isn't "A" computer but a calculating table or tablet. If you say computer, your first definition suits correctly but not to abacus because it will not process data or numbers at high speed. Scientists called anything computer that calculates series of numbers but the fact is, it is man's BRAIN that makes the abacus effective to use for early merchants.

---ikaw kuno, sure ka nga si noah knows the earth was circle? Hain ra ba gud nang iintelligence nila compared sa panahon ni Galileo.Yes because he believed and feared God.
Can you see it, Noah build the ark without using any nails and noah used woods that can't be penetrated by water.
I was waiting for the correct answer to my question, sadly I don't find one in this statement. Pagkalayu sa tubag. Answer sah sa akong pangutana... okay?

--okay, I'm going to be literal... WIPED OUT THE EARTH!!! translated that logic for you!
Wiped out the earth? with what?
Water right, so can sea creatures or water creatures can be wiped out? Its non-sense to bring sea or water creature in the ark to the fact that they can survive.
For crying out loud! Wasn't the bible been telling us in the first place? If it's wipe out.. it's wipe out! God doesn't lie right? Tell me brod if those aren't living things nga gi-mention sa bible nga pagdala.

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Grabeh..... basa jud ko gikan sinugdanan hangtod dre sa kataposan na post ninyo mga brod.....
pwerteng lingawa jud....

pero, tsk tsk tsk.....

tananwa ra gud na ang topic? simple raman unta kaayo na nga pangutana....?
nganong ipa abot paman jud nga tanan nalang atong nahibaw-an ato jud nga ipagawas?
...hangtod mo resulta nalng jud ug conflict, confusions o makapalibog nalang jud sa uban...
-grabe bisan asa nalang jud ta naabot....

nganong dili man jud kuno ta maka "paraya" sa usag-usa?


buot huna2x-0n mga brod.... ala bya jud sayop ninyo.....
pulos man mo sakto... -rcruman / sinyalan

...ngano? tungod kay naa tay precepsyon nga lain2x unsa-on o gi unsa nato pag sabot ang bibliya...


ask lang ko ha....
nganong ipangisog man jud ninyo sa inyong kaugalingon nga sakto mo sa uban?

sa gika-ingon ko na, ala ju'y sayop nato dba?




@rcruman: lisod man sad gud tuho-an ang imong gpangyawit sad brod....
mo base raman sad gud kaayo ka sa bibliya, nga in the first place, lisod sad jud kaayo tohu-an...
liman ka'g kapila na gi revised... tsk tsk tsk....

ala man kaha perpekto nga taw? sa gina-ingon mo sa previous post nimo, only jesus...
maayo unta'g pareha sla (mga nag revised sa bibble) ni jesus nga perpekto nga nag revised ana?
ang punto is.... ang bibliya alone kadudahan.....

pero saludo lang japon ko nimo brod....
bisa'g gi unsa, kapila naka nila ug kulata, stilll naa japon ka faith... grabeh... naa pa jud taw d i ingon ani... :mrgreen:

mo tuo man ko ug bibble brod. naa man sad tinu-od naa sad lisod tuohan... tsk tsk tsk....

brod, palawm...... dili ka malingaw kng naa ra ka sa mabaw.... PEACE.


@sinyalan: tnx sa mga idea nimo....
sakto man ka brod.... dili lang unta nga imo na jud ugkaton tanan naa sa bibliya!
kay kgn ingon man gani ana.... samot natag; kalibog! hahay.... tsk tsk tsk...

dili man gud na maayo nga ipanawng nato sa isig kaingon atong nahibaw-an...
kng dili convincing iya mga answers, OK. fine! IYAHA man sad na....


with all due respect sa inyo duha (RCRUMAN/SINYALAN)

HUSTO NA! samot na kaayo ug kalibog!


kng tinood man gani nga nahitabo na THE GREAT FLOOD??
ayaw nalng ninyo ugkata nga kanus-a ug ngano o unsa o gi unsa....
ah....


what matters most is the moral of the story man tingali?


grabeh! lingawa nako basa oi...

salamat ninyo duha ug uban pang poster dre na thread....
tnx...

[Sinyalan]

Salamat sab brod nga nalingaw ka sa thread.

[JustAskin]

ang topic bro about the Great flood during the time of noah
bro kalma lang, hehehe! ayaw anang mohisgot ka og ayaw pa tuga2x kong kamao gyudka u must enlighten me..gamay rako og nahibaw-an anang breeding2x pero kasabot ko ang usaka mananap syempre maka anak...pero pangutan -on taka sample langha iro(dog) e crossbreed German shep male + Germ shep female = geman shep pupp, pero german shep male + pitbull female = letsay gerbullshep..
now back to adam & eve the same raman sila race nya karon usa sa ilang naanak morag unggoy og pustora?

walapako kadungog anang eve gene.. please enlighten me..

sa ato pa usa sa mga anak to ni adam and eve tong mga karaang tawo sa una nga murag unggoy ang pustora? nya ni shift to what we are now?

magkatawa man ko osahay nimo oakboy kay osahay you appear or ypu project nga sweto kaau ka then kon ma supo bawion daun.LOLS

well no need to answer, u already said nga gamay ra ang imong nasbtan ani.

then ang tanan nakong explanation wa kaau ka kasabot,puro mis representation imong gibuhat.

for example ni nigun ka nga german shep dog+pitbull= gersheppitdog klaro kaau nga wa ka kasabot.

then nangita ka ug taw nga murag unggoy.

mao ni sabta. peace

nangutana man gud ka nga puede ba diay nga ang puti maka anak ug itom nya akong tubag kay "PUEDE" ang akong support ana kay science. nya ni ingun ko nga puede man gani sa science ang unngoy mahimong taw so possible sab sa science nga ang itom maka anak ug puti, gets mo? kung mangutana ka asa na ning taw nga murag unggoy pangutana ang science kay ilaha man na nga position dili man na ako,gets mo?

for your information kalma kaau ko diri oakboy,nagkatawa man gani ko smatang nag type ani.
nganu diay makakita diay ka nako samtang maghimo ko ug post?