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high_heels
Awww di tubagon!!! It affects my social surroundings, it affects the general lifestyle of people around me. The perception that a DISGUSTING act is being done that is publicly seen by my nephews, nieces, families, friends, my children, and myself. Morally corrupting the minds of the youth and everybody else around me further insisting that it is an acceptable act where in by law of the church and the constitution it's NOT!
Primarily, it affects me! and I am part of that the society. A society where you insist your TWISTED and VULGAR acts! Do you say that I should not care? Well, I do care! I care enough to tell you that you should be SENSITIVE enough to the majority...because whether you like it or not you gays are not the only ones living in this planet!
The perception that a DISGUSTING act is being done that is publicly seen by my nephews, nieces, families, friends, my children, and myself.
First of all, you do not have the right
NOT to be disgusted/offended. Imagine sanctioning everyone who offends you at any given moment - we might as well give up our freedom of expression. On the other hand, you have the right
to offend and
be offended. Therefore, and this is very important,
none of your existing rights, or the rights of your fellow human beings, were actually infringed.
Second, gay marriage being "disgusting" is entirely a subjective opinion. It is
your perception, along with your extended family (assuming you could speak for all of them). Feeling "disgusted" about it won't tell you if it's right or wrong. It only tells you
you find it disgusting. Remember,
none of your existing rights have been infringed.
...Morally corrupting the minds of the youth and everybody else around me further insisting that it is an acceptable act where in by law of the church and the constitution it's NOT!
The law is regularly amended --> Amendments are dictated by democracy --> Democracy = popular sentiment --> What is popular isn't always right (argumentum ad populum).
We are trying to determine if gay marriage is "right" or "wrong" here. Like racial segregation and gender equality issues in the past, popular sentiment doesn't have any bearing in determining something to be "right" or "wrong". Eg. It was popular back then to be burning heretics at the stake - it doesn't necessarily mean it is "right" to burn heretics at the stake. I think I've already expounded on this matter numerous times throughout this thread. Again, what is popular isn't necessarily "right". If you can find any flaws in that logic, please do address them and I will listen.
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As for the law of the church, I'm actually tired of differentiating christian "morals" from actual morality. They are two very different things. Let me give you an overview:
In Matthew, Jesus addresses the laws of Moses and other prophets before him stating:
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Matthew 5:17
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
While there are
good christian morals/laws, there are also these:
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Leviticus 20:!3
If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
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Leviticus 20:9
Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death. Because they have cursed their father or mother, their blood will be on their own head.
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Leviticus 20:10
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death.
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Deuteronomy 17:12
Anyone who shows contempt for the judge or for the priest who stands ministering there to the Lord your God is to be put to death. You must purge the evil from Israel.
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Leviticus 21:9
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death.
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Exodus 22:19
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed.
These, I'm afraid, are
christian morals as endorsed by Jesus. They are absolute. (supposedly)
Obviously, the ever-evolving catholic church no longer follows any of these rules for obvious reasons. They've adapted to society, rational thinking, the changing social climate, the evolution of norms, etc., apart from some hard-to-die old habits like homophobia. They instead chose to ignore these huge sections in the OT, declaring them "null and void". And yet there are parts of the NT that actually acknowledge these OT laws. Here's one regarding "death to homosexuals" as is written in Romans:
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Romans 1:24-32
So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have *** and instead indulged in *** with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too.
That's what christian morals tells us - that the death penalty against homosexuals is not only necessary, but should be imposed upon with God's blessing.
On the other hand -
Morality, this time as a product of evolution, tells us this:
It is immoral to kill homosexuals because it infringes on their right to live.
So unless you agree that homosexuals, fornicators, disrespectful children, and adulterers should be put to death, leave christian morals out of issues that concern the state. (Separation of church and state).
(wow, that was long) :P
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