Wala ko patuluga ani, hope naay mka explain.

[Cybernaut]

seriously kanang ilawm kaau, does it mean magkuha sad kag samples sa areas nga wala pa jud natugkad sa tao ug ila machines kay deli jud kaya?..

bro define hydraulics dba matubag na tanan imo ingon nko nga i just overlooked everything.. if d ka kadefine you refer to an encyclopedia nlang nya paki post nlang sad dre para daghan mkabaw unsa naa ana nga branch of science..

Actually, dili na mo matter kung 4km deep ra ba or more. 4km below from the surface contain enough pressurized seawater, dissolved gases and other impurities.

Hydraulics is all about liquids properties. I don't think maka explain ni sya once the liquid is mixed with gas which is very common in ocean and sea water, unless you can prove it otherwise. Pero diha lang ko taman. Wala sa akoa ang burden of proof para mag research ug modefine sa hydraulics. You brought that out so you have to explain and defend it yourself.

And I did not say that you overlooked everything. Please read my post again.

[emailroy2002]

Mabuak imong garapon ig abot sa ilalom

[dartzed]

Actually, dili na mo matter kung 4km deep ra ba or more. 4km below from the surface contain enough pressurized seawater, dissolved gases and other impurities.

Hydraulics is all about liquids properties. I don't think maka explain ni sya once the liquid is mixed with gas which is very common in ocean and sea water, unless you can prove it otherwise. Pero diha lang ko taman. Wala sa akoa ang burden of proof para mag research ug modefine sa hydraulics. You brought that out so you have to explain and defend it yourself.

And I did not say that you overlooked everything. Please read my post again.

yes you are correct, though wala pako kasuway ug experiment ani but why would i go through such a hassle when dugay nman gud na naproven nga liquids are considered as incompressible..

i can tell nga deli enough imo information on hydraulics based sa imo giingon nga "Hydraulics is all about the properties of liquid"

Hydraulics is not all about the properties of liquid infact kana study sa properties of liquid sa hydraulics is just a part. You see if you read more about hydrualics' definition you will encounter the word fluid mechanics w/c discusses fluids properties(on liquid, gases,and plasma).. moreover the properties of liquid(esp the properties of seawater) that you mention can also answer too especially it discusses how liquids behave in the presence temperature, pressure, density, salanity(mao ni dre makita imo giingon nga impurities) and etc.. now i dunno why you said you think deli kaexplain ang hydraulics when you also said that hydraulics is all about liquid properties.. naglibog sad ko nimo bro..hmmmmmmmmmm

[ambokz]

kuyawag mo gwas ni sa civil servive nga exam nuh...libog kos pangutana dah..basa lang kos tubag sa uban dri.hehehe

[Cybernaut]

yes you are correct, though wala pako kasuway ug experiment ani but why would i go through such a hassle when dugay nman gud na naproven nga liquids are considered as incompressible..

i can tell nga deli enough imo information on hydraulics based sa imo giingon nga "Hydraulics is all about the properties of liquid"

Hydraulics is not all about the properties of liquid infact kana study sa properties of liquid sa hydraulics is just a part. You see if you read more about hydrualics' definition you will encounter the word fluid mechanics w/c discusses fluids properties(on liquid, gases,and plasma).. moreover the properties of liquid(esp the properties of seawater) that you mention can also answer too especially it discusses how liquids behave in the presence temperature, pressure, density, salanity(mao ni dre makita imo giingon nga impurities) and etc.. now i dunno why you said you think deli kaexplain ang hydraulics when you also said that hydraulics is all about liquid properties.. naglibog sad ko nimo bro..hmmmmmmmmmm

Don't say that the liquid is considered incompressible when in fact it is compressible, though slightly. Basin maka ingon unya ni atong mga audience diri nga dili na jud ma compress ang liquid. And to spare you from hassles, kindly read my statements below.

Now I will explain my point again. Kini atong scenario, ibutang nato nga naa kay tubig nga pure H2O, walay syay dissolve gases, wala syay lain nga mga minerales, wala pud syay impurities, walay lain nga molecules nga naa ani gawas sa H2O. Kung imo ni nga ibutang sa high-pressure environment daun isulod sa container nga igo lang sya masigo dayon imong dal-on sa low-pressure environment, I will agree nga ang pressue sa liquid sa sulod will hardly make a dent on the container, kay slightly compressible man ang liquid. Pero ang naka apan kay kining tubiga dili ni makuha ilalom sa dagat ug dili pud ni makuha ilalom sa suba, kay ang composition sa tubig-dagat o tubig-suba naa gyud nay lain nga mga molecules other than H2O. Pipila ka klase sa molecules mao ang oxygen (O2) ug carbon dioxide. Ang dissolve oxygen sa tubig ang hinungdan nganong maka ginhawa ang mga isda. Just an info.

Karon, kung magkuha kag tubig sa pressurized environment, like 1km deep below sea level, dayon imo ni syang dal-on sa environment nga ubos ang pressure, and tendency kay mo expand ang tubig di ba, but not much, pero tungod kay ang tubig naay mga dissolved gases, the expansion of that container will greatly increase.

Sa niagi nag mention ko nga posible moliki ra ang container, pero karon I will confidently say that there is a possibility that the container will explode. I read an article about it and I'll just provide it later.

Next, the hydraulics. Actually, I am correct when I said that hydraulics is all about properties of liquids. More specifically, a topic dealing with mechanical properties of liquids. And you are right when you say that in its definition we will encounter the word fluid mechanics w/c discusses fluids properties(on liquid, gases,and plasma). That is because hydraulics is part of fluid mechanics, but not the other way around. Fluid mechanics is a study in which aerodynamics, hydrodynamics and hydraulics belongs. So siguro ma gets na ni nato.

And I am still saying that hydraulics cannot predict and explain the behavior of the samples taken from the depth. Kay ngano? Because these samples contains gases, which is pretty much not covered in hydraulics. Dili na siguro ka maglibog ani brad.

Now to settle this argument once and for all, here's an article from the researchers that has actual experience in getting seawater samples in deeper part of the ocean.

Collecting Deep Ocean Samples | Nautilus Live

The article specifically mentioned that the pressure from the samples "can be very high and present an explosive danger". To conclude, posible nga mobuto ang imong container.

[gwaping]

na out of topic lagi ning uban diri, naglalis na if compressible or not ang water diri, pressure man ato topic dri

[Butitor]

I think someone has nailed the coffin...

[dartzed]

Don't say that the liquid is considered incompressible when in fact it is compressible, though slightly. Basin maka ingon unya ni atong mga audience diri nga dili na jud ma compress ang liquid. And to spare you from hassles, kindly read my statements below.

Now I will explain my point again. Kini atong scenario, ibutang nato nga naa kay tubig nga pure H2O, walay syay dissolve gases, wala syay lain nga mga minerales, wala pud syay impurities, walay lain nga molecules nga naa ani gawas sa H2O. Kung imo ni nga ibutang sa high-pressure environment daun isulod sa container nga igo lang sya masigo dayon imong dal-on sa low-pressure environment, I will agree nga ang pressue sa liquid sa sulod will hardly make a dent on the container, kay slightly compressible man ang liquid. Pero ang naka apan kay kining tubiga dili ni makuha ilalom sa dagat ug dili pud ni makuha ilalom sa suba, kay ang composition sa tubig-dagat o tubig-suba naa gyud nay lain nga mga molecules other than H2O. Pipila ka klase sa molecules mao ang oxygen (O2) ug carbon dioxide. Ang dissolve oxygen sa tubig ang hinungdan nganong maka ginhawa ang mga isda. Just an info.

1st and foremost this is the 1st problem, the TS's question is about if parehas ba ang pressure inside sa container if magkuha cya ug sample sa higly pressurized part sa seawater nya ibutang sa upper part sa seawater w/c is low ang pressure and i answered it "deli" followed by some little flawed statements with qoute at the end correct me if im wrong. Now nobody tells us about the technicalilty of the topic until you make them yourself w/c is kanang properties of seawater w/c changes the TS's topic radically into different question(nilevel up). Now I did not answer you I was thinking naa kay point so hatag ko nimo ug more refers on the study on the properties of water since I believe seawater is composed of H2O roughly at 95%-96% perhaps this could help but you go on with your arguments.

Karon, kung magkuha kag tubig sa pressurized environment, like 1km deep below sea level, dayon imo ni syang dal-on sa environment nga ubos ang pressure, and tendency kay mo expand ang tubig di ba, but not much, pero tungod kay ang tubig naay mga dissolved gases, the expansion of that container will greatly increase.

Sa niagi nag mention ko nga posible moliki ra ang container, pero karon I will confidently say that there is a possibility that the container will explode. I read an article about it and I'll just provide it later.

2nd problem is kani nsad nilevel up nsad imo question we didnt even know unsa nga klaseng container gigamit but you assume yours nga either mabuak or muexpand lang plus wala nka nakontento sa properties sa seawater imo pa jud giapil ang composition sa seawater, Now again wala nsad tika gitubag(I was thinking nga kadaghan ug nagcompose sa seawater plus ang ila pa jud tagsa2 nga properties) instead i refer the science of Hydraulics since naa mana gidiscuss dre ang composition and properties, pressure, density, etc. and you said deli makahelp ang hydraulics and then go on with your arguments nsad.

Next, the hydraulics. Actually, I am correct when I said that hydraulics is all about properties of liquids. More specifically, a topic dealing with mechanical properties of liquids. And you are right when you say that in its definition we will encounter the word fluid mechanics w/c discusses fluids properties(on liquid, gases,and plasma). That is because hydraulics is part of fluid mechanics, but not the other way around. Fluid mechanics is a study in which aerodynamics, hydrodynamics and hydraulics belongs. So siguro ma gets na ni nato.

And I am still saying that hydraulics cannot predict and explain the behavior of the samples taken from the depth. Kay ngano? Because these samples contains gases, which is pretty much not covered in hydraulics. Dili na siguro ka maglibog ani brad.

now that you mention it, yes baliktad pala but still the basics are there the fluid properties..

Now to settle this argument once and for all, here's an article from the researchers that has actual experience in getting seawater samples in deeper part of the ocean.

Collecting Deep Ocean Samples | Nautilus Live

The article specifically mentioned that the pressure from the samples "can be very high and present an explosive danger". To conclude, posible nga mobuto ang imong container.

yes bro as mentioned but I didnt make any argument about exploding containers.

[Cybernaut]

dartzed, I am basically answering the original TS question on what would happen in real situation and not on one described by hydraulics. And if you say nga "dili" parehoang pressure sa tubig sulod sa garapon, sayop na sya. Ang tinuod walay changes sa pressure sulod sa garapon. Ang naay changes mao ang pressure sa gawas.

Regardless of the container, I only said that there is "possibility" (if you know what possibility means) that the container will explode.

And if you think that I made a point, you should make it clearer earlier, so that my next response would not be targeted to you and spare us some hassles. But on the bright side though, our conversation here is very informative.

Now, if you mean that I could be correct, though indirectly, then we can end our debate here.

[Butitor]

Since I find my curiosity so brutally honest, I would never know if my question is vague. You're all basically right unless ga sige ko yamo-yamo ug mga considerations.


Is there something wrong with my query?