Did the Great Flood during the time of Noah really happen?

[SamuraiArcher]

^not mentioned in the story siguro na.....kay parable ra man sya ..................dili ingon ana ka detailed....

[rcruman]

meaning to say brod nga there early races from other continents nga niapil ug tukod sa tower? Considering the size of the tower they made... it wouldn't take from an 8 people to multiply in just a span of what, few years?
No, its the descendants of Noah who built the tower, read this chapter: http://www.kingjamesbible.com/B01C010.htm
And on Genesis 11: http://www.kingjamesbible.com/B01C011.htm the making of the tower and the language has been confound.

baboy (shaved) + Baka (shaved) = the same faces?
baka (shaved) + unggoy (shaved) = the same faces?
If not, clearly state you point...
I'm not saying that baboy and baka have the same faces, but ang tanang baboy kung shave na og gilapa pareha nag nawong og dagway, the same also with baka. Basta parehag klase, baboy kay pareha tanan og daway basta lapa-on na.

... it's possible to crossbreed on different species and type? libog ko ani nga tubag...
It must be in the same species and type, like birds can be crossbreed to any kinds of bird but you can't crossbreed a bird to a lion, get the point. Fish to fish, cattle to cattle.

I don't see the analogy on this example, you compare size of plastic that is virtualy not the same to humans. Even so, the logical point on using an atm machine is putting the thing into a open hole and get money... humans can't be similar to this, Humans by all means have huge differences... size? type? in what sense you were referring to? organs? body structure?
You don't want to see the point because you don't want to see, it means that our organs can be transplanted to any races of human as long as the same type. Even the donor is 6 footer and the receipient is only 5 footer their organs can be transplanted.

This is really a illogical statement... change your example brod, skins cannot be the same... you're generalizing the entire point that since we have skins (humans) we are all the same? Of course physically we have them but if you like to compare skins in medical terms, this is where you point is wrong.
Illogical? what would I expect from you, you wont accept it. No its not, my point is that if we take off our skins we all look the same.

wait, didn't you mention that "if we look closely our skins, we are the same?" Unya diri sa line nimo, we don't have to focus on outside - meaning physical - appearance that we differ from eath other? Contradicting...
I think bro there's a problem with your reading comprehension, did I say we are the same if we look closely our skins or did I say that if we took off our skin we all look the same, ako binisayon ha, kung panitan ta tanang tawo kay pareha tag dagway.

... as what I have said before... CROSSBREED na tang tanan.
Crossbreed is to have a new species or revive a lost species, if an american married a filipina whats the result? still human.

1. when did the great flood happened, time/year estimate?
2. pila ka days nag-rain to fill the "entire earth?
3. when did they start boarding the ark?
4. after how many days of rain did the ark started floating?
5. how many days were they locked-up/floating with the ark?

1. It happened in the time of Noah, and for the time just follow the generations of man from adam down to noah. http://www.kingjamesbible.com/B01C005.htm
2. For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth. Genesis 7:4.
3. its 7 days prior to the flood.
4. it floated when the water separated the ark from the land or ground. http://www.kingjamesbible.com/B01C007.htm
5. And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days. Genesis7:24.

Peace!

[Sinyalan]

Re: Does Great Flood during the time of Noah really happened?
« Reply #200 on: February 14, 2007, 11:11:46 »

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The color of Skin and people appearance depends on the country they lived in, but take all their skin and you can see we are all the same.

Brod, nothing is wrong with reading comprehension... it's your incoherent posting and twisting that make this thread hard for anyone to understand... take a look at your previous post. First you said "take all their skin..." and the second post you made was now "took off our skins... ". where is the relevance in that? to my understanding now is that when a person skinned, we all look the same... generally speaking yes, because we are all humans... that's your assumptions? because what's under the skin... you seemed to generalize everything you see... and you limit yourself on this because?

No, its the descendants of Noah who built the tower, read this chapter: http://www.kingjamesbible.com/B01C010.htm
And on Genesis 11: http://www.kingjamesbible.com/B01C011.htm the making of the tower and the language has been confound.
I counted the first link on how many people were they.. guess what... less than 100 people. The second also was less than 100 people. Give or take their age difference... question(s); how tall was the tower of babel? How many people will you think took them to built several layers to build another layer? For less than 200 people... I don't see any significance of other race except noah's decendants? Am I missing the entire concpet here?

You don't want to see the point because you don't want to see, it means that our organs can be transplanted to any races of human as long as the same type. Even the donor is 6 footer and the receipient is only 5 footer their organs can be transplanted.
you didn't read this because? ---> So in terms of Humans, you can transplant organs human to human because we are compatible (considering the type) and the same design.yes, transplant of course but how long? meaning there is incompatibilities... I have note that I wrote way back a year ago... Successful inter-human allotransplants have a relatively long history; the operative skills were present long before the necessities for post-operative survival were discovered. Rejection and the side effects of preventing rejection (especially infection and nephropathy) were, are, and may always be the key problem. -- Dr. Pien Ch-iao <-- did you miss this portion brod? or you don't understand this...? I can explain it to you in laymans words if you want.

Crossbreed is to have a new species or revive a lost species, if an american married a filipina whats the result? still human.
This is what I'm trying to tell you brod.... you generalize what you see not what you know. Of course tawo ang mogawas alangan naman ug robot ang mogawas! Crossbreeding, palaban ka dictionary brod? Don't you knw that dictionary is giving you root word? Words can be used on different ways... If you read a dictionary's point of view.. it is aa broad meaning... but if you use the word on certain usage... you will get another meaning. Here's my definition... to breed new strains of plants or animals from genetically different individuals not reviving a lost species... you watched Jurrasic Park brod? you probable crossbreeding species to form a clone?

[rcruman]

Brod, nothing is wrong with reading comprehension... it's your incoherent posting and twisting that make this thread hard for anyone to understand... take a look at your previous post. First you said "take all their skin..." and the second post you made was now "took off our skins... ". where is the relevance in that? to my understanding now is that when a person skinned, we all look the same... generally speaking yes, because we are all humans... that's your assumptions? because what's under the skin... you seemed to generalize everything you see... and you limit yourself on this because?
Again try to read it again, here what you've quoted: "The color of Skin and people appearance depends on the country they lived in, but take all their skin and you can see we are all the same."
refer to blue font, is it the same skin or the same appearance? "my premise is "the color of the skin and people appearance depends on the country".

I counted the first link on how many people were they.. guess what... less than 100 people. The second also was less than 100 people. Give or take their age difference... question(s); how tall was the tower of babel? How many people will you think took them to built several layers to build another layer? For less than 200 people... I don't see any significance of other race except noah's decendants? Am I missing the entire concpet here?
Less than 100 people are named, what about people are not named?
Other race occur when their language has been confounded and they scattered all over the world, finish reading the entire chapter 11.

you didn't read this because? ---> So in terms of Humans, you can transplant organs human to human because we are compatible (considering the type) and the same design.yes, transplant of course but how long? meaning there is incompatibilities... I have note that I wrote way back a year ago... Successful inter-human allotransplants have a relatively long history; the operative skills were present long before the necessities for post-operative survival were discovered. Rejection and the side effects of preventing rejection (especially infection and nephropathy) were, are, and may always be the key problem. -- Dr. Pien Ch-iao <-- did you miss this portion brod? or you don't understand this...? I can explain it to you in laymans words if you want.
What? here's your post and question:
I don't see the analogy on this example, you compare size of plastic that is virtualy not the same to humans. Even so, the logical point on using an atm machine is putting the thing into a open hole and get money... humans can't be similar to this, Humans by all means have huge differences... size? type? in what sense you were referring to? organs? body structure?

to breed new strains of plants or animals from genetically different individuals not reviving a lost species... you watched Jurrasic Park brod?
Are you sure? they crossbreed a "zebronkey" zebra and donkey, a zebra has been in the womb and delivered by a horse.
And now they are perfecting to produce a SABBERTOOTH (hope i spelled it right) from a tiger.
Try to know also what is the goal or objectives of "crossbreed".

Of course tawo ang mogawas alangan naman ug robot ang mogawas!
exactly! that's why we came fromt he same source, if not maybe you can find another being from this world.

Peace!

[Sinyalan]

My anwers will only even get longer... to come to all this... PROVE YOUR WORTH BROD... GIVE ME FACTS NOT JUST CHILDREN STORY FROM THE BIBLE. Scientific findings, medical releases, medical research that proves your claim, website links, authors, writers, geogarphy engineers, archeologists, paleontologists, all branches of sciences that supports you answers.

[istp1980]

Hehe ... ka-libog na ani ng istorya uy lagyo kaayo ta ug malagputan ...
malibog ta kung unsay unahon


@leo_trams

you questioned ...
1. when did the great flood happened, time/year estimate?
2. pila ka days nag-rain to fill the "entire earth?

dli nalang ta ani ng mga question uy ... kabalo ta ng gi-take ni rcruman ang bible word by word.
maybe a better option for you would be to question the validity of those values.
like "how could 40 days of raining fill the earth blah blah blah ..."
btaw kay as JustAskin said those answers are already in the bible ...
kung wala diay ka kabalo sa details sa standpoint sa imo kuntra sa debate
mag tuyok-tuyok ta ani ... hehe ... dako-dako nuon tu ang bible ...
basig sayangan ka imo time



@Sinyalan

race = difference in skin color ? whites, blacks, browns ...

btaw ... sakto man si JustAskin or rcruman ... in the end, the same species/sub-species raman ta tanan ... HUMANS.
ang kana race difference wala man gani na ning exist sa animals ... sa ato raman na mga tao ...
nag show lang na unsa ka "racist" gyud ta

http://www.answersingenesis.org/home...d/chapter4.asp

kani ng link nag state sa reasons why there are these subtle diffrences in us
like melanin for color and hehe ... wala bitaw nako gi-basa tanan ...




@Isabella Rain

you said :: "mao bitaw na nga ma-disappointed gyud ko aning rcruman. di lang unta pulos faith-faith ba. Magtuon sad ta kay naa man tay utok. Di man na makadaot kun gamiton panagsa ang utok."

Sa ako view imo man gi-igo ang character ni rcruman ani, which is sa akong opinion Unfair.
Unfair kay tungod I feel ng ang person mo tuo in complete faith sa bible kay mas grabe ka lig-on ang character.
Mas lig-on kay tungod naa ta "Naa ta Utok" ... and for sure daghan gyud dli ma-sabtan dra sa bible andeven with
ana ng unknowns wala gihapon ning waiver iyang faith ... Mao na pag-tuo nako dili nato angay ingnon ng boang
or amaw si rcruman kay tungod pulos faith-faith lang.
One more thing ... naningoha baya na si rcuman mo answer sa questions in context sa science sad.


posted 3/1/2007 7:30pm

[rcruman]

My anwers will only even get longer... to come to all this... PROVE YOUR WORTH BROD... GIVE ME FACTS NOT JUST CHILDREN STORY FROM THE BIBLE. Scientific findings, medical releases, medical research that proves your claim, website links, authors, writers, geogarphy engineers, archeologists, paleontologists, all branches of sciences that supports you answers.
Bro, mura man kag tawo nga nakaon na ang tibuok baboy og wala gihapon kahibalo nga baboy iya gikaon.
Naghatag na baya ko og link about sa Mt. Ararat, info about our physical appearance, about bones of animals and fish found in mountain and forrest, and many more and yet you want facts and consider it as a Children Story from the bible.


Peace!

[Sinyalan]

http://www.noahsarksearch.com/arknotfound.htm <--- mao ni imong ingon?

Where is Mt. Ararat located brod? Tell me?

[leo_trams]

@istp1980:
Because if it it really happened, there should be hard solid evidence/s.

1. when did the great flood happened, time/year estimate?
2. pila ka days nag-rain to fill the "entire earth?
3. when did they start boarding the ark?
4. after how many days of rain did the ark started floating?
5. how many days were they locked-up/floating with the ark?

1. It happened in the time of Noah, and for the time just follow the generations of man from adam down to noah. http://www.kingjamesbible.com/B01C005.htm
2. For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth. Genesis 7:4.
3. its 7 days prior to the flood.
4. it floated when the water separated the ark from the land or ground. http://www.kingjamesbible.com/B01C007.htm
5. And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days. Genesis7:24.
Peace!

1. mura man ug naa sa diploma, "In the year of our Lord...2007". So, naa pud diay "In the year of Noah..." walay numerical date dinha?
2. 40days there's no sun, and the ice caps melted? The rains melted the ice? If we melt again the whole ice in this planet will it really cover the planet including the mountains?
3. and the last to board were a pair of turtles? or tortoise? ants?
4. the question was, how many days? i did not ask for another meaning of the word float.
5. and there was no low tide?

Another Question:
How come they know that the entire earth was covered with water? They knew that earth was round? and it took humans hundreds of years later to rediscover that it is round?

[rcruman]

1. mura man ug naa sa diploma, "In the year of our Lord...2007". So, naa pud diay "In the year of Noah..." walay numerical date dinha?
2. 40days there's no sun, and the ice caps melted? The rains melted the ice? If we melt again the whole ice in this planet will it really cover the planet including the mountains?
3. and the last to board were a pair of turtles? or tortoise? ants?
4. the question was, how many days? i did not ask for another meaning of the word float.
5. and there was no low tide?
Another Question:
How come they know that the entire earth was covered with water? They knew that earth was round? and it took humans hundreds of years later to rediscover that it is round?

1. There's no exact date like 4000 b.c. but if you're going to trace it base on the generations of man then it will have an approximate figure.
2. Are you doubting the capacity or amount of water? how about the Hydrogen and Oxygen atoms to be combined and the water depot underneath.
3. Don't you think turtles can't survive water, they (almost) can survive in land and water. There's no water animals on that ark. ants can found almost everywhere and no need to worry. Are you computing the speed of Turtle to reach at the ark? how about get a turtle nearby the ark.
4. And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights. Genesis 7:12, but to lower the level of water or flood it takes upto And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days. Genesis 7:24.
5. Low tide occurs in a certain part only because of gravitational pull between moon and sun, but still the amount of water is the same.
6. For many reasons, they can found fossils and skeleton of sea animals and lower land mammals in the high mountain.
They've have found woods in Mt. Ararat which impossible to a good thinking man to bring it there.
7. yes they know the earth was round, Galileo is way beyond of discovering it and apollo 11 (neil armstrong).
Not all humans took thousands of years to know that the earth is circle or round, its been stated in the bible long time ago.
It is He who sits on the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in; Isaiah 40:22


Peace!