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    Quote Originally Posted by 3nZ0y View Post
    Let me just jump in ha kay nalingaw ko.



    So, if naay bagyo: tungod sa free will.
    Nganong gibaha? tungod sa free will.
    Ngano na-crash ang gisakyan ni Robredo? tungod sa free will.


    No argument on that. Free will is the cause of all effects. Agreed.

    Dili ba ang bitin man ang naghatag og huna-huna kay gipakaon sila Adan ug Eba sa tree of knowledge? Dili ba gidid-an man sila sa Ginoo sa pagkaon ato?



    Free will, but ang di motuo niya adto sa impyerno? Giduwa-duwaan ra diay ta ani og mao na?
    Papa: anak, naa ra nimo unsa imo buhaton ha. Pwede ka dili motuo nako. But if dili ka motuo, bunalan tika. Pero pwede na.



    Wala niya gi-violate kay iyaha gipasagdan but if dili motawag niya iyaha ibutang sa nagdilaab nga kalayo? FREE WILL.



    So, if imohang parents muslim, lagmit muslim sad ka ron. And mao na ang FREE WILL? Grabeha gud aning free will gud. Maghimo na lang ko og religion nga free will.
    *kanang mga bagyo bai,kay natural calamities jud na but casualties may be prevented or lessen
    if ang tao magkat.on sa mga sayop nga nabuhat..ug dili abusaran ang nature,ug kadtong lugar nga prone sa disgrasya di nalang unta magpagahi sa ulo kung dili na pa puy.on adto or pa evacuate na..
    kadtong kang robredo bai, it only shows that no one can determine ug asa ra ta kutob aning kalibutana..
    and who knows if he led a just and righteous life,robredo could have been a lot happier than us left behind.

    *Yes ang bitin maoy naghatag ug idea sa adam ug eve to eat the forbidden fruit.
    but it was their decision to accept the offer.free will nila bai.

    *ang tao man actually ang nipili kung ma impierno siya or dili(freewill) gihapun.
    wala gipasagdan sa Ginoo ang mga tao oi.God already gave the resources..the bible,all the guidelines are there.naa ra na sa tao kung mosunod siya..(freewill) mas gipasayun paman gani sa Ginoo ang salvation..kay sa una kita maoy moluwas sa atong kaugalingun sa old testament,but when Jesus came,siya na nibuhat tanan..ato kay ang pagtuo nalang..ug tinuod ang pagtoo makita jud na sa buhat
    mura ra tag ni take ug exam nga naa nay answer daan,naa ra na nato kung atong sundon ang answer.

    *and regarding religion wala may magbuot sa tao kung ganahan siya mubalhin ug religion...mao bitaw nay converts diba?
    'cause they freely chose another faith..
    matud pang Isaac Newton:in every action thee's always an equal reaction..
    kung sayop man gani ang desisyon sa tao sa pagtalikod sa iyang faith or pagbalhin
    kung unsa man gani outcome ana, it's gonna be parallel to the choices made.
    kung ako tao magpuyo nga dili motoo ug Ginoo, nya nig kamatay kay ma impierno tungod
    pagkamatay naa jud diay Ginoo...di ba akoa nang choice ang dili motoo?

    and if one should despise the gift of freewill as it comes along with it the burden of choice..

    ganahan ka nga minyoan ka sa imung asawa out of obligation or gibuya?
    or minyoan ka out of her free will..and vice versa
    Last edited by noy; 08-22-2012 at 07:55 PM.

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    Default Re: Does God take a vacation?

    very nice @noy
    naa na jud na sa taw kung dili pa jud motuo (freewill).

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    Last straw for today:

    Quote Originally Posted by noy View Post

    *Yes ang bitin maoy naghatag ug idea sa adam ug eve to eat the forbidden fruit.
    but it was their decision to accept the offer.free will nila bai.
    2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”

    Genesis 3:2-3 [NIV]
    WOW! FREE WILL!!!

    If you don't even have a solid belief about free will among yourselves, do not expect others to understand it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3nZ0y View Post
    Last straw for today:


    WOW! FREE WILL!!!

    If you don't even have a solid belief about free will among yourselves, do not expect others to understand it.
    did they die?physically they didnt.but spiritually Yes.
    instead of enjoying the abundance Given by God..they now have to work hard for survival..
    so much for obedience diba? instructions were given but they CHOSE to disobey

    diba Jesus said that whoever bleieves in Him will have eternal Life and will not perish?
    Yet some of us Freely CHOSE not to.
    so kinsa man nang choice?? (free will).

    which part in my post that i mistakenly qouted about freewill?thus displaying an unsolid belief.
    diba free will imung pagbuot? you also have the free will to submit to God's will..

    unsa man diay nga free will imung gusto,kanang bisag unsa pewede buhaton? so wlay LAWS?
    if so, nganu masuko man ka kung i violate ka sa ubang tao?how will you then distinguish what's right or wrong?
    when what's wrong for you may be right to others?

    as Pope Joh Paul II qouted:
    "Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought. "

    Last edited by noy; 08-22-2012 at 08:31 PM.

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    Default Re: Does God take a vacation?

    Quote Originally Posted by 3nZ0y View Post
    Last straw for today:

    WOW! FREE WILL!!!

    If you don't even have a solid belief about free will among yourselves, do not expect others to understand it.
    okay we'll give you a chance to share your own belief. unsa may imong explaination about good and evil? basin napa mi makat-unan nimo.

    share please

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    Default Re: Does God take a vacation?

    @3nzoy
    solid kayo nang mga accounts sa bible part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noy View Post
    those were merely examples of human free will bai..

    and if Christ's body was found,that would defeat the resurrection and thus void
    Christianity.

    if you claim such, can you at least elaborate with proofs?

    evolution really is at present,however something like human beings couldn't have just come from a non-living thing.
    if you say that the vatican believed that we evolved from chimps or stone, or fish...
    can you give a difinite proof, a statement that has been accepted nationally?
    speculations yeah but proofs? not so sure about that.
    or you just googled it and landed on some comfortable sites?
    sige bai kay makaluma mn ghapun imung tinuhuan bisan sa balita sa Vatican wa gani wa ka khibaw..So tuara imung gipangita The Vatican claims Darwin's theory of evolution is compatible with Christianity - Telegraph tuara pa o Catholic Church and evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    And about sa remains ni Jesus Christ..you can watch this documentary The Lost Tomb of Jesus by James Cameron Part 1of 12 - YouTube Until now still on debate pani sya kay you know na naay mga dli kadawat..

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    in my opinion, there are some teachings of the church which is not inline anymore with the bible. but that doesnt mean we have to cling to the church but instead in the unfailing words of God. As I noticed, @noy is very firm with his belief in Christ and the bible. And that's the most important factor of a true believer and a follower of Christ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoonGlow View Post
    Why do bad things happen to good people?
    kay mabantayan man ang mga negative sa mga good pipol whereas if ang bad pipol maka experience ug bad things maka ingon man ta " merisi, gaba nana nya kay bati kaau tong taohana"...

    Quote Originally Posted by MoonGlow View Post
    Why do calamities destroy thousands of humanity?
    kay una ang mga kataohan ra man ang ang himo anang calamities... kbaw na gud na sila nga calamities strikes anytime and anywhere but di man ta mag ready mao na ika abot sa calamities daghan madestroy...

    Quote Originally Posted by MoonGlow View Post
    Why do lies seem to win over honesty most of the time?
    mas maau man paminawon ang nindot kay sa bati nga sakit...

    Quote Originally Posted by MoonGlow View Post
    Why do prayers seem not to work?
    basn di lang nato ma bantayan ang mga answers...

    Quote Originally Posted by MoonGlow View Post
    Does God take a vacation?
    for me yes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoonGlow View Post
    look around you

    the seasons, the turmoils,

    the chaos, the injustices

    with closed eyes you will see

    we are on a bus without a driver

    on a trip to nowhere

    where there is no need

    for a bersikolo
    TS, I'm inclined to believe that you believe in GOD only to you HE is "sometimes" on vacation hence your above statement. I have a question. Where were you, or let's include all; Where were we when GOD hung the stars in space and gave them names? What invisible thread did GOD used to hang everything in space so that it doesn't fall and how did HE do it? Where were we when GOD laid the foundations of the Earth? When HE sets the limits of the seas where its proud waves halt? Where were we when GOD sets the seasons so that night and day appears and so that dawn rises from the east and evening sets to the west? Can we ever command the morning to come out? We, who can't even count the numbers of our very own hair yet not one falls to the ground without GOD knowing it, where were we when GOD made all this feat? My point is, everything..from the seasons, the turmoils, the chaos, the injustices, the good, the bad and the ugly (salida man ni) EVERYTHINg happens because GOD allows it, not because HE is on vacation and sets it to autopilot but because HE is sovereign. Things happen because GOD the Creator's ways are not our ways nor HIS thoughts our thoughts. GOD is not sitting on his throne in heaven biting His nails wondering what to do with all of His creation. The Book of Revelation tells of a finality and it assures the reader that GOD is in total control of future events in which the chaos and turmoil we see around us at present is just chicken feed when compared. Yes we are on a bus but with a driver - GOD the Creator. The trip? To His Kingdom where eternal life and bliss is. Take your seat and fasten your seat belt coz the ride could get jumpy. Stick with the driver and we'll get to the destination. Jump out, yes, one could and is free to do so only at one's own risk. Good day TS.

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