MERGED: Gay Marriage in the Philippines

[godsendxy]

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What if I told you that marriage is the union and wedding is the ritual?

What If I Told You Union refers to souls being one(still religious), and Ritual is a Customary practice(tradition).

[tingkagol]

so what's you purpose on getting married? for publicity purposes? to let everyone know how both of you love each other?

Here are a few legal benefits married couples enjoy:

- visitation rights and can make medical decisions, unless otherwise specified in a living will
- benefits for employees -- many of which are also offered by private employers -- such as sick leave, bereavement leave, days off for the birth of a child, pension and retirement benefits, family health insurance plans
- some property and inheritance rights, even in the absence of a will
- the ability to create life insurance trusts
- tax benefits, such as being able to give tax free gifts to a spouse and to file joint tax returns
- the ability to receive Medicare, Social Security, disability and veteran's benefits for a spouse
- discount or family rates for auto, health and homeowners insurance
- immigration and residency benefits, making it easier to bring a spouse to the U.S. from abroad
- visiting rights in jail

[tingkagol]

What If I Told You Union refers to souls being one(still religious), and Ritual is a Customary practice(tradition).

That's your belief (a union of two souls blessed by God to be together for the rest of their lives). But what about civil marriage? Is it null and void then since no blessing from God took place?

Your belief doesn't give you the right to dictate other people's right to be legally married.

[3nZ0y]

What If I Told You Union refers to souls being one(still religious), and Ritual is a Customary practice(tradition).

No wonder many married heterosexual couples are guided by the Holy Spirit or your perceived God. Mao na nga tanang religious union are successful. Di kaayo ka tantong self-centered and bigot aning kalakiha. Tsk.

[3nZ0y]

As a democratic country, we must let the people decide for themselves. If you do not want to marry a person with your same ***, then don't. Nobody is forcing you anyway. But ayaw hikawi sa katungod ang mga tawo nga ganahan.

This bears the same stigma as the interracial union nga gibabagan sa mga tawo before. The only difference was that the discrimination before was due to cultural and racial differences. Now, it is the difference in belief.

[emman]

thank you Dust..

firstly, I want to reassure you that nothing is innately wrong with being gay just as nothing is wrong with being a woman or man. Only that my point is marriage is a sacrament to bind husband and wife in the name of God. If you want to make any oath of friendship to another gay friend, call it another name but not marriage. then, It does not mean that using other religion could be an excuse: it is still the same fact, marriage is still sanctified.

Pls. do not miss the point.. I do not mean that gays are abomination. thats the complete opposite of what im trying to say: Gays are loved by God and gifted by God with so much talents that could share to the world. Along with this Gifts, is a challenge for all the gays to be one with Christ Jesus to the vow of chastity. Like John, i firmly believe that gays are God's beloved.

Dear Dust, the Catholic Church simply wants gay to be save from act against God not from their very being..
God Bless..

[QUOTE=Dustashed;13210479]Would it make you feel better if we got married in another religion then? That way we won't Tarnish the Sanctity of Marriage bestowed upon couples by the Roman Catholic church /sarcasm
http://articles.cnn.com/2012-07-10/u...church-leaders

If I was one of your gay friends I'll call you out for BS.
There is nothing to save because nothing is innately wrong with being gay. By saying that your friends need to be saved, you are implying that their very nature is an abomination

[trollolol]

Visiting rights in jail? Ahak hahaha kasabot ka unsa na sir sa systema sa atong prisohan?

Ang masakpan magl0btananay kay takalan intawon na oi.

[Dustashed]

They have all the rights to ask the Law of the country to be changed But i dont think they have the Right to ask the Law/Belief of the Church to be changed.

The laws of the country is created BY and FOR the people. The Laws of the Church is absolute and created By GOD for the believers to follow.

The Problem is that Most of the people in Government are believers/followers of the Church Law.

This can all be remedied if we just realize that marriage does not equate to a "Church Wedding"

Marriage is a "CIVIL UNION" and not exclusively held at churches. We are arguing semantics when Merriam Webster and Wikipedia both agree that it is a social union or legal contract between people called spouses that creates kinship(Wikipedia) or the state of being united to a person of the opposite *** as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law

Notice anything? No mention of the word church or Christianity or what not, just legal contracts

[Dustashed]

so what's you purpose on getting married? for publicity purposes? to let everyone know how both of you love each other?
in a marriage ceremony, part of it is asking God's blessing..even other religion's marriage ceremony, they ask for their God's blessing..

By your definition of marriage Atheists, Agnostics and Pagans shouldn't have access to Marriage because they are not asking for God to bless their marriage but rather ask the state to recognize it

To answer your other question.. One of the practical reasons for getting married would be tax benefits, Health insurance coverage, property sharing among other things.. the list goes on and on.

Edit: Somebody Already answered it waaay better than I did so I'll just post a Pic

[Dustashed]

What If I Told You Union refers to souls being one(still religious), and Ritual is a Customary practice(tradition).

Again we are arguing semantics, Marriage is a legal and binding contract recognized by the state.
No mention of souls nor churches nor religion

the state of being united to a person of the opposite *** as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (Merriam-Webster)

Social union or legal contract between people called spouses that creates kinship (Wikipedia)

Edit: Same as above