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  1. #91

    Default Re: Let's Be Honest(Bible based Religion).


    @mandirigma: its not a matter of variants bro but its a matter of right division of the bible.

  2. #92

    Default Re: Let's Be Honest(Bible based Religion).

    Quote Originally Posted by Mandirigma View Post
    mao ni ang imo attempt to refute the link i gave you.

    by the way reminder lang pod nga ang issue diri is not to prove kong ang King James Version ba ang most reliable version nga bible BUT to prove or dismiss the claim kong daghan ba og variants og changes og mistranslation ang Bible.

    nya based sa atong discussion karon so far na prove nako nga indeed daghan jud diay, indeed naay mga variants, indeed nag away away og way klaro nga agreement ang mga BIBLE SCHOLARS on some specific translations, you know why? tungod kay ang AUTOGRAPHA wa na diri, it cannot be found, that means wa tay sakto nga standard where to ma based ang mga translations.

    then you guys are still in denial nga wlay variants ang bible og MSS? tsk tsk tsk...

    even scholars magsumpaki man gani unsay sakto og unsay dili sakto, pasabot lahui lahi jud ang ilang pagsabot og tungod ani mo produced ni og lain na pod nga variants.

    so ang question is If the bible we hve today is the inspired word of God, so asa man ani nila nga version? kay matud pa sa oban nga KJV ra jud ang sakto, pero daghan ang mo disagree. so asa man ani nila.

    if these men were guided by the Holy Spirit then nganong lahi lahi man ang ilang pagsabot og translate? di ba dapat osa ra unta og duna dapat unity kay guided man kaha sila sa Holy Spirit?

    mao ni ako pasabot bro nga mga hard questions nga seldom kaayo e wali sa mga pastor. og kong mangutana ta about ani ingnon dayun ta nga don't doubt the word of God when in reality ang Word of God w/c is ang AUTOGRPHA is already lost. mao to ang klaro nga inspired word of God.

    nya magpaka haron ingnon jud mo nga walay variants, way mistranslation? tsk tsk

    ang kjv lang daan kanang verse nga for there are 3 that bears witness, lalisonon man gani na naay obang scholar mo ingon nga addition or insertion ra na, wa na sa obang mga RELIABLE nga MSS.

    omit, add then omit na pod mao nay history anang verse nga for there are 3 that bears witness bro.
    kay since ni hisgot man kag variants.....ang akong pangutana nimo unsa na specific manuscripts ang naay variants? kay kung muingon tag manuscripts naay daghang klase.

  3. #93

    Default Re: Let's Be Honest(Bible based Religion).

    @mandirigma: Unsa man di ay ang definition sa inspiration?
    Last edited by defender_1611; 08-12-2012 at 02:24 PM.

  4. #94

    Default Re: Let's Be Honest(Bible based Religion).

    Quote Originally Posted by marius View Post
    this is nice - theists discussing the bible. But in the end, it all depends on one's interpretation.

    Just like the famous line in the bible of LET THERE BE LIGHT, you can interpret it in many ways:

    - it's related to the Big Bang
    - god turned on a light-switch
    - god opened the window and let light in

    but if the theists wants to decipher each and every line of the Bible, then this would be fun to read

    Whatever your interpretation, the bottomline is....There is a CREATOR! now who sounds funny then?

  5. #95

    Default Re: Let's Be Honest(Bible based Religion).

    @mandirigma

    share lang ko part ha.
    dili man ta maka expect ug perfect nga translation into english kay lahi2 man ug knowledge, posible kung kitang duha mag translate mas daghan kag gamiton nga terminology/vocabulary kaysa akoa. But the important thing is wala mawala ang meaning and point of the certain passage. Also we cannot expect verbal perfection sa ana kabaga nga bible. Ayaw i compare imong knowledge karon kaysa ilaha but rather i adjust nimo imong thinking as if naa ka sa ilang panahon!

    or else pwede pud buhat kag perfect translation kung dili jud ka makasabot sa current translations.

  6. #96

    Default Re: Let's Be Honest(Bible based Religion).

    Try to watch tagalog movies with subtitle.. even some other movies, di man jud ma.exact ang translation. Especially, if dili mao ang nasabtan sa translator sa gi.mean sa iyang gtranslate.

    Imho, when it was translated, gi.biased man na nga dapat nindut paminawn sa mga mo.basa og dali sabtun, especially to those who need HOPE sa ila kinabuhi.. The church, imho, targeted poor people or those who are suffering kay sila mao dali ma.convert.

    Anyways, just giving my thoughts to you TS. Good day..

  7. #97

    Default Re: Let's Be Honest(Bible based Religion).

    Quote Originally Posted by stealthghost View Post
    Try to watch tagalog movies with subtitle.. even some other movies, di man jud ma.exact ang translation. Especially, if dili mao ang nasabtan sa translator sa gi.mean sa iyang gtranslate.

    Imho, when it was translated, gi.biased man na nga dapat nindut paminawn sa mga mo.basa og dali sabtun, especially to those who need HOPE sa ila kinabuhi.. The church, imho, targeted poor people or those who are suffering kay sila mao dali ma.convert.

    Anyways, just giving my thoughts to you TS. Good day..
    nya nganong dili manka motuo kung nindot na paminawn para nimo, tungod kay wala ka nagneed ug hope?kataw-anan mana nga idea part you mean the billions of people are deceived?

  8. #98

    Default Re: Let's Be Honest(Bible based Religion).

    Quote Originally Posted by Breakeven View Post
    nya nganong dili manka motuo kung nindot na paminawn para nimo, tungod kay wala ka nagneed ug hope?kataw-anan mana nga idea part you mean the billions of people are deceived?
    "Bro, ok ka lang? Pila na pud ka rugby imu nasuyop?"

    Ganahan ka kana akong reply Or ingon ani..?

    "Wala man ko ning sulti nga wala ko motuo og wala pud ko ning sulti nga wala ko nag need og hope.. Please re.read my post.."

    Pareho ra na og meaning bro para nako.. Tan.awa lang asa nindut paminawon..

  9. #99

    Default Re: Let's Be Honest(Bible based Religion).

    Quote Originally Posted by stealthghost View Post
    "Bro, ok ka lang? Pila na pud ka rugby imu nasuyop?"

    Ganahan ka kana akong reply Or ingon ani..?

    "Wala man ko ning sulti nga wala ko motuo og wala pud ko ning sulti nga wala ko nag need og hope.. Please re.read my post.."

    Pareho ra na og meaning bro para nako.. Tan.awa lang asa nindut paminawon..
    sorry bro atheist ka or catholic?

  10. #100

    Default Re: Let's Be Honest(Bible based Religion).

    Quote Originally Posted by Breakeven View Post
    sorry bro atheist ka or catholic?
    My religion is unnecessary with this discussion.. Kay kapoy kaayu nang style ninyu.. I just made a my own opinion and you suddenly attack me. :P

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