Did the Great Flood during the time of Noah really happen?

[--Makoy--]

personally, i dont think this really happened. and if the earth was covered with water, i think it happened way before humans existed..

but if its true or not, i dont think it really matters. what matters most is the moral of the story..

[1] we can't mess with nature
[2] God has total control over everything

[Sinyalan]

Only 8 person ang nakasakay sa ark uban sa pares nga mananap.
8?! So, apil si Noah, iyahang asawa, mga anak... pila sila daan? I'll take this as considerations nga their age was at the peak of... let's old age. How old was Noah, wife, kids and close friends/believers? Try to use mathematics applications to multiply them and populate the entire world ug sila lang walo kabook. As leo_trams mentioned, mag-unay sila aron lang ma-populate ang ENTIRE WORLD... unsa nga age nga pede na maka-anak ang babae? Let's say itugot nato nga present findings... 13? 14? years old? Give or take, pilay mabuhi ug pila ang mamatay during sa labour? This base of 8 people in the ark is somewhat unthinkable nga situation... Sa unang panahon, giving birth to twins or quadruplets are next to none unya... to think you have to rest for at least a year to bear another person inside the womb of a woman. This story was getting way impossible to believe...
Lastly, what are tose animals that noah brought into the ark before the flood? can you name them?

ABout pinoy,intsik og iapil na nato ang black man:
Did you know according to research and study that a black couple or man can produce a white child in a 1000 years generation.
This research was a theory of evolution not biblical evolution... If you read charles darwin's theory... genetics will take not more than 1000 years to develop another source of species. Theories, yes but these theories have solid basis. Ug ang basis nimo karon nga it will produce a white child in a thousand years generation... of course there are possiblities kay atong panahon karon are crossbreed! Whites marry blacks, blacks marry yellow skinned, Whites marry redskinned human... vice versa. That can't be denied of course... during sa time nila... there were no evidence that there was a black, red, yellow skinned crossbreed with noah's 8 people in the ark...

Pangutana nganong naa pay pinoy or bisdak kaayo nga makaanak man og insik og mata nya itom og puti?
Balik sa imong first answer brod, eight, walo, 8 people were in the ark... noah and his wife, (2) mga anak - butang nato ug duha (2), baye ug laki? friends nga 4 kabook... naa diay pinoy o intsik sa panahon ni noah nga nasagul? Nganong wa man lagi maapil sa bible ang ilang race?

The physical appearance is not the basis not to believe the story of Creation and the great flood.
Oh yes! Physical appeareance is one thing to prove that the great flood wiped out the entire race of the earth... not to mention some of the animals... If you want us to believe the great flood happened the entire earth... DO NOT dismiss the physical apperance as not the basis to get evidences. I believe in fact that, the the great was a STORY! you said it yourself... (bold letters)

Continue reading Genesis then you can find that after the flood many generations come then the language was confound by God in order for them to subdue the earth as what His plan
Brod, let’s define 2 words… subdue and confound…
Subdue… to bring a person or group of people under control using force.
Confound… to cause a confused situation to become even more confused , or make situation worse.

Base sa among interpretations, after the flood, many generations come (or came) - then the language was confound? Or confounded? Meaning there were languages existed before the flood, right? After the great flood, God confound(ed) and subdued the earth as his plan(s)… meaning, was it war, murderous acts, killing groups with groups of people? Unsa man? - these brod, are based on your understanding sa Genesis.

After the tower of babel people beginning to conquer other places and country and continent.
When was this? After the tower of babel, what recorded century was that? BC or AD? You know what brod, pop history... the first ever recorded war was 2700 BC. Took hundreds of years to conclude that the war happened on the plains of Norwegian empire and they don't have a history of great flood that ever reached on their shores.

Take all of our skin then we are all the same.
You've been repating this argument before brod... all our skin.. meaning this present times? Because there is no proven facts that we are the same... I'm not going to accet that you are my next of kin... and yet, you dismissed the physical appearance previously on your statement. Now you're advising us to take(?) all our skin... for what comparison? to prove that we are the same? Shallow reasoning...

Have you wonder that wherever you are in this world our internal organs and blood are compatible for transplant and transfusion?
Its because we came from the same source.
have you ever heard that a internal organ or blood of animals can be transfered to humans through transplant and transfusion?
What science books were you reading brod... tell me what edition was that book... that our internal organs and blood are compatible for transplant and transfusion... internal organs... one mistake you "theorize", BRAIN. you can't transpant a brain. Blood, there are various types of blood that each of us have... one reason that you can't easily transfuse blood is thorugh dna structures. That's a FACT, and you said that we came from the same source? Who is/was the source?
I heard of a baboon's lungs was transplanted to a 48 year old man, successfully but he died a year after because of complications... I also heard an ape extracted blood to donate blood to a 7 year old girl... you know what happened? She died after 6 months because of blood irregularities. There is no way you can tranfuse animal blood to human body... we have complicated genetic structures and so as animals... compare lang nato ang human enzymes and animal enzymes... sayup naka nga ang animal internal organs/blood can be transfered/trasplant/tranfused to human body. Unsa man na nga science book brod? Naa kay subject nga biology?

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[Isabella Rain]

mao bitaw na nga ma-disappointed gyud ko aning rcruman. di lang unta pulos faith-faith ba. Magtuon sad ta kay naa man tay utok. Di man na makadaot kun gamiton panagsa ang utok.

[SamuraiArcher]

as wat i posted before..parable ra man gyud ni sya with a good lesson.....

[rcruman]

8?! So, apil si Noah, iyahang asawa, mga anak... pila sila daan?
Si noah og iya asawa og 3 nila ka anak nga lalake uban sa aswa nila muna 8 tanan.

This research was a theory of evolution not biblical evolution... If you read charles darwin's theory... genetics will take not more than 1000 years to develop another source of species.
Its not biblical evolution but biblical creation. You're still holding on theories just to fight back against the bible.

Balik sa imong first answer brod, eight, walo, 8 people were in the ark... noah and his wife, (2) mga anak - butang nato ug duha (2), baye ug laki? friends nga 4 kabook... naa diay pinoy o intsik sa panahon ni noah nga nasagul? Nganong wa man lagi maapil sa bible ang ilang race?

Pagtarong diha bro, magduda man sab ta nimo. Naay chance in our time today nga ang bisdak naay nawong nga instik ila anak or itom man gani ang uban, how much in a thousands of years. About the 8 people:

10 And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth. Genesis 6:10.
7 And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood. Genesis 7:7.

Oh yes! Physical appeareance is one thing to prove that the great flood wiped out the entire race of the earth... not to mention some of the animals... If you want us to believe the great flood happened the entire earth... DO NOT dismiss the physical apperance as not the basis to get evidences. I believe in fact that, the the great was a STORY! you said it yourself... (bold letters)
Oh come on, dili magsakit ako tiyan kung dili nimo dawaton ang biblia.
All i do is to introduce it into your brain and its up to you to accept it or not.
And its your right to question the bible.

Brod, let’s define 2 words… subdue and confound…
Let me give you the meaning of "subdue" in the bible not the meaning in your mind, read Genesis 1:28.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Genesis 1:28

The main purpose of God is to be fruitful, multiply, replenish and subdue but the people after the Great Flood build a tower for them to be grouped and go back if they're lost. That's why God confound their Language for them not to understand each other. And its the best idea to disgrouped a cetain group, don't let them understand each other.

When was this? After the tower of babel, what recorded century was that? BC or AD? You know what brod, pop history... the first ever recorded war was 2700 BC. Took hundreds of years to conclude that the war happened on the plains of Norwegian empire and they don't have a history of great flood that ever reached on their shores
Give you an information, the dead sea scrolls traces back 3,600 years ago or more.
Who set this BC and AD my friend? you can't find it in the bible "BC" and "AD" because these letters came after the bible was written. Its like this don't find NOKIA word in early 1900's because it was not yet invented, get it.

You've been repating this argument before brod... all our skin.. meaning this present times?
So what if I keep on reapeating, ask a doctor and see if this is not true.
Give you an example, even a pig if you slaughter it can you see the difference from other pig after "gilapa" og gihiwahiwa na?
Yes, upto present if you take all skin we all look the same (pero dili parehag height,og gidakon) in muscle,organs structure.

Because there is no proven facts that we are the same... I'm not going to accet that you are my next of kin...
I don't like either to be next of kin to you, what I'm trying to say is that our muscle, organs structure are the same.


What science books were you reading brod... tell me what edition was that book... that our internal organs and blood are compatible for transplant and transfusion... internal organs... one mistake you "theorize", BRAIN. you can't transpant a brain. Blood, there are various types of blood that each of us have... one reason that you can't easily transfuse blood is thorugh dna structures. That's a FACT, and you said that we came from the same source? Who is/was the source?
The answere is even in your statement, it must have the same type.
Did I say brain can be transplanted? As of now maybe its not but who knows.
Yes we came from the same source but not the same type.
If I'm going to follow your argument, thus in your family do you have the same blood type?
If not then your not family according to your statement.
Even in a family there are instance that a blood type will differ.

I heard of a baboon's lungs was transplanted to a 48 year old man, successfully but he died a year after because of complications... I also heard an ape extracted blood to donate blood to a 7 year old girl... you know what happened? She died after 6 months because of blood irregularities. There is no way you can tranfuse animal blood to human body... we have complicated genetic structures and so as animals... compare lang nato ang human enzymes and animal enzymes... sayup naka nga ang animal internal organs/blood can be transfered/trasplant/tranfused to human body. Unsa man na nga science book brod? Naa kay subject nga biology?
did i say "all internal organs"?
there are organs that are not capable of transplant (yet)
Have you watched a documentary that "kidney for sale"?
Do you have a drivers license? take a look in the back and you can see that your organ can be donated upon your death.
It can be transplanted but today its not yet perfect to stay long.
With the intellect of our doctors today just to save lives it will be successful.

as wat i posted before..parable ra man gyud ni sya with a good lesson.....
If parable, then what that it means?

mao bitaw na nga ma-disappointed gyud ko aning rcruman. di lang unta pulos faith-faith ba. Magtuon sad ta kay naa man tay utok. Di man na makadaot kun gamiton panagsa ang utok.
Look isabella_rain, the information that you're looking or searching on me (aside from bible) are easy to be searched and acquire by just reading books and history. Don't you think I can't do it? But it will come to waste if I know it all (aside from the bible), why? because it will not make me a better person by being intelligent in medcine,arts,engineering,economics and etc. Most corrupt officials are graduated from Harvard.
The greatest crime came from earthly knowledgeable, like hitler.
Earthly knowledge is good if you combine it with God's word, and that God's word is limited to be accessed.
many have tried but they all come to their own distruction and own interpretation.

Peace!

[leo_trams]

wa pa tubaga ako mga pangutana da! hehehe...

when did the great flood happened, time/year estimate?
pila ka days nag-rain to fill the "entire earth?
when did they start boarding the ark?
after how many days of rain did the ark started floating?
how many days were they locked-up/floating with the ark?
How strong was the current/wind if ever there was one?
with 8 people on board, how many were women? men? how old were they?
How many animals were on board?
Did the ark really carried all the animals in the world?
all the animals in the world were found near Noah's Ark?
How long did it take for Noah to gather all the animals in the world?

what about food provisions for the humans, animals?
how large was the food supply for both humans and animals?
Noah or his 'chroniclers' already knew that the earth is 'round'?

where exactly was Noah's ark assembled?
considering the weight of its cargo(all animals), did the ark really floated and travelled from pointA to pointB?
how far did it travelled... from assembly site to its "docking point"?

for the 8 people on board, how many years will it take to produce 1000 full grown adults - granting *** orgies or changing of *** partners were allowed during that time? Can somebody do the math please.

so Noah's Family was black?
bisdak kaayo unya maka-anak ug intsik? Tinuod na, pero ang iyang ancestors dunay dugong intsik. Ayaw i-consider ang karon nga generation kay nagsagol-sagol na man. Remember, Noah's Time...another beginning of the new race/people.

So, when you need blood transfusion...you can just take any human blood?

other places and country and continent, meaning there were already people in other continents? so, what was the language in those countries? Because there were people already in other continents before the tower of babel, how come every continent lain lain man gihapon ug language?

What was the language when the tower of babel was built? Was their language also the language of God?
How high was it when it was destroyed? any artifacts, stones, base/foundation found? There should be remnants of that tower, just like the pyramids.

[Sinyalan]

Pagtarong diha bro, magduda man sab ta nimo. Naay chance in our time today nga ang bisdak naay nawong nga instik ila anak or itom man gani ang uban, how much in a thousands of years. About the 8 people:

10 And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth. Genesis 6:10.
7 And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood. Genesis 7:7.
...asa naman ang imong history brod? Pinoys are malays by origins... malays are also mixed with other asian genes.... if you insist of saying "in our time today", there are few pure pinoys or bisdak kaayo that exist.. ngano? for over 300 years, we've been mixed with spaniards... after that, caucasians, the japanese, the chinese... needless to say, chances of getting a different skin would show up because of crossbreeding.
Since your argument are mixing the time we have now and the time of noah have no comparison... were they mixed? Were they mixed with blacks, yellow, Red, Bowrn skinned members of that group? For just 8 people in the ark was unthinkable. Who would be your best guess that people in that ark were mixed?

Its not biblical evolution but biblical creation. You're still holding on theories just to fight back against the bible.
The least is that there is possible explanations that a human or certain humans conducted scientific evidences and not that far fetched stories that hundreds of years these people don't leave any solid evidences that the "Great Flood" ever reached outside where the story was originated.

Let me give you the meaning of "subdue" in the bible not the meaning in your mind, read Genesis 1:28.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Genesis 1:28

The main purpose of God is to be fruitful, multiply, replenish and subdue but the people after the Great Flood build a tower for them to be grouped and go back if they're lost. That's why God confound their Language for them not to understand each other. And its the best idea to disgrouped a cetain group, don't let them understand each other.
So, the verse was to unify the people after the Great Flood? Tell me brod, who went to other places like North America, South America, Africa, Asia, Australia, Europe and Antartica? Can you tell me the names of the very people that you said "are 8" in the ark that traveled to these places and subdue or confound just to fulfil God's plans? That must be the reasons why "folowers" of the bible subdue, confound and dominate every living things that moved upon the earth by using what? words of God? The last thing I know there were swords, arrows, bows, that resulted to wars, killings, colonizing and dominating kingdom to kingdom. And you thought the definitions of subdue and confound are just in the book?

Give you an information, the dead sea scrolls traces back 3,600 years ago or more. Who set this BC and AD my friend? you can't find it in the bible "BC" and "AD" because these letters came after the bible was written. Its like this don't find NOKIA word in early 1900's because it was not yet invented, get it.You mean, scroll fragments, artifacts from the Qumran site, and books and illustrations that are 12 scroll fragments and 29 other objects? Your basis of original scriptures? Tell me brod, how many pages the bible have compared to the scrolls that you thought it's original? The Library's exhibition describes the historical context of the scrolls and the Qumran community from whence they may have originated; (<---take note brod... the key word is MAY) it also relates the story of their discovery 2,000 years later. In addition, the exhibition encourages a better understanding of the challenges and complexities connected to the bible. Since you already mentioned this where you ever consider the increase attention and heighten the Dead Sea Scrolls mystery? Did the scrolls come from the library of the Second Temple or other libraries and were they hidden to prevent their destruction by the Romans? Was the Qumran site a winter villa for a wealthy Jerusalem family or was it a Roman fortress? Was it a monastery not for Essenes but for a Sadducean sect? Does this mean we need to revise or view of religious beliefs during the last centuries of the Second Temple? Do the Dead Sea Scrolls provide clues to hidden treasures? Does the "War Rule Scroll"... meaning to say brod, translation is too complicated.

AD and BC, why they use this as record keeping track of time? Imagine brod if we don't have 2007 to record how humans have evolved? Why, does it has to be pattern according to the bible? Was their a general rule to follow the bible's time recording? How do you separate them from old to new times? ...and everything a man discovered something is not true and it has to be approved by the bible? We use this sort of record keeping procedure to know certain times... your birthday for example... And you don't use AD or BC because?

Side note: Tell me who were the dead sea scrolls referring to?
The Dead Sea Scrolls, which date back to the events described in the New Testament, have added to our understanding of the Jewish background of Christianity. Scholars have pointed to similarities between beliefs and practices outlined in the Qumran literature and those of early Christians. These parallels include comparable rituals of baptism, communal meals, and property. Most interesting is the parallel organizational structures: the sectarians divided themselves into twelve tribes led by twelve chiefs, similar to the structure of the early Church, with twelve apostles who, according to Jesus, would to sit on twelve thrones to judge the twelve tribes of Israel. Many scholars believe that both the literature of Qumran and the early Christian teachings stem from a common stream within Judaism and do not reflect a direct link between the Qumran community and the early Christians.

So what if I keep on reapeating, ask a doctor and see if this is not true.
Give you an example, even a pig if you slaughter it can you see the difference from other pig after "gilapa" og gihiwahiwa na?

Meaning brod, you don't have a strong argument to contirbute about scientific facts. Pigs example. Can you crossbreed a pig to cow? or a goat? If you can, tendency is a freak! What is your point of gilapa ug gihiwahiwa na? Similarities?

Yes, upto present if you take all skin we all look the same (pero dili parehag height,og gidakon) in muscle,organs structure.
.. give me a scientific evidence that this argument of yours is true. By all means, my brown skin look the same as the white skin?

did i say "all internal organs"?
there are organs that are not capable of transplant (yet)
Have you watched a documentary that "kidney for sale"?
Do you have a drivers license? take a look in the back and you can see that your organ can be donated upon your death.
It can be transplanted but today its not yet perfect to stay long.
With the intellect of our doctors today just to save lives it will be successful.
Mao ni imong suwat brod ai... Have you wonder that wherever you are in this world our internal organs and blood are compatible for transplant and transfusion?
... tell me brod if that construed to different opinion. Did you check the link I provided for you to read? I guess not, because you don't read them....because? Possibilites that a person can get an organ donor and would live longer and happier life.... NOT! These people that got transplanted don't live longer and heathier life becaue doctors give/prescrbie "tons" of medications and/are available for the to take... and yet these organs rejected it by the host. Read the bold words brod if that statement coincide to your first statment...
Doctors are becoming more intelligent correct but no one can assure of your life that when they transplanted an organ or transfused a blood is 100% safe. Mao nga there are tons of laboratory experiments aron makuha ang structures sa human genes... but they have to state the fact that - humans have complicated genetical structures. Oh btw, why do you take sides on doctors now? because the last time I read your post (somewhere), that your doctor is God. Why don't you ask him to transplant/transfused a human organ or blood? Let me know if you get answer. Ok brod?

[JustAskin]

na alegre man hinoon ni nga thread.

about the race issue...

posible oi nga ang puti maka anak ug itom and its being advocated by science. Havent you heard nga ang karaang tawo sa una nga murag unggoy ang pustora na developed mn gani into what we are today.kung mag lalis pa mo ani hala pagdala mo ug evidence nga dili ni mahitabo nga imposible mahitabo kay ang SCIENCE na inyung kontra.


@leo_trams

sa kadaghan sa imong pangutana dili dayun na matubag but i suggest you start reading the bible,the answers to some of your questions are in there. come back here if some answers are unavailable. para ma gamay gamayan nato ang discussion.

[Sinyalan]

posible oi nga ang puti maka anak ug itom and its being advocated by science. Havent you heard nga ang karaang tawo sa una nga murag unggoy ang pustora na developed mn gani into what we are today.kung mag lalis pa mo ani hala pagdala mo ug evidence nga dili ni mahitabo nga imposible mahitabo kay ang SCIENCE na inyung kontra.
This is a very interesting question brod... I found this... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...e_id=1770&ct=5 but the sad thing to imagine was that it was this statement... "But over the last few months Layton has got lighter and blonder, like his dad, and Kaydon has gone darker like me." The one in a million conception happened after two eggs were fertilised at the same time in the womb. While Miss Richardson is of English-Nigerian heritage the twins' father is white. Ingon pa nila, one in a million odds nga mahitabo ni...

[JustAskin]

bahala nag one in a million odds bro basta posible na mahitabo.

and i dont know ha basin boot pasabot nila anang one-in-a-million-odds means RARE,it doesnt literaly means one in a million.

anyways it doesnt eradicate the idea that it can happen and the issue at hand is by the way is "is it possible?" there you have your answer with pictures pa.