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  1. #121

    Default Re: Pnoy's 3rd State of the Nation Address (July 23, 2012)

    Quote Originally Posted by jack_bauer View Post
    ka cute nimo oi..
    wala man diay ka nka sabot.. ani man gd ni ang executive mo submit ug budget proposal.. na practice saona nga ang e-submit sa presidente usbon(kuhaan/pun-an/e-realign to other item), mao nay congressional insertion.. kita nka General Appropriations Act.. grabi ka daghan nga dokumento, ang uban ana.. agion sa lipat2x mo butang ug budget, lets say item1(c5 road project)=100M... unya sa lain pd item, lets say item105(c5 road beautification project)=25M.. kung suma total.. ang c5 road project 125M, pero kung imo tan-awon at first glance ang ma declare ni villar 100M ra.. gets, gets? ingon ana ang paagi sa insertions....

    ingon ana ang paagi kay gusto sila mo kurakot..
    consider lagi na part sa PDAF..

    like ang 2.2B pork barrel ni CGMA
    http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/10...rel-questioned

    dont tell me wala na gyud ang CI sa penoy admin?

    yes, naa gihapon corruption.. mao btaw ang remedy, NO TO LUMP SUM budget, and karon hopefully ma push through sans legal/political challenges kaning gi-ingon sa presedente nga ang General Approriations Act mao nani mo serve as release paper.. kay karon man gd, bisan naa na ang GAA mo balik gihapon sa DBM for budget allocation and for budget release/disbursement...
    kung double na ang pork barrel, di diay mo double pud ang corruption? nganong modagan man gud congressman ang mga politiko kung wa silay makuha?

    Department of Budget and Managament
    ^mao na ang PDAF ni Kabataan partylist Palatino.. wla sa iyang releases ang bisan unsa nga budget para sa SUC..

    unya, reklamo sya.. iya unta gi-hatag sa SUC ang ilang PDAF..
    example lang to kay Palatino oi. Kung congressman ka sa usa ka sector like agriculture diba part man pud nimo mohatag sa DOA kung naa silay project which benefits your constituent?


    di nalang gud ta istorya about CI gud lol, pork barrel man gyud ako main point.

  2. #122

    Default Re: Pnoy's 3rd State of the Nation Address (July 23, 2012)

    Quote Originally Posted by Romeojin View Post
    consider lagi na part sa PDAF..

    like ang 2.2B pork barrel ni CGMA
    http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/10...rel-questioned
    dili lagi na PDAF ang CI.. ug wala say PDAF ang presidente.. Intelligence budget hinoon which is COA-audit free.. just open your mind para sd ka maka learn ginagmay aning storya nato.. basin ma ban nata ani sa kadaghan ug OT's

    ang CI man gd, paagi sa mga kurakot mka kuha ug daghan more tha sa ilang 70M/yr limit..

    Quote Originally Posted by Romeojin View Post
    dont tell me wala na gyud ang CI sa penoy admin?
    more than 80%, im sure wala na kay mo VETO man c noynoy kung naay significant alteration sa iyang proposed national budget.. mao btaw pg 2011 GAA grabi ka saba sa mga tongressman kay apektado ilang kurapsyon.. daghan black propaganda apil pas Raymond Palatino.. haha

    Quote Originally Posted by Romeojin View Post
    kung double na ang pork barrel, di diay mo double pud ang corruption? nganong modagan man gud congressman ang mga politiko kung wa silay makuha?
    di man gd na ma double ang pork barrel.. max of 70M/yr sa congressman.. max of 200M/yr sa senator, unya naay policy nga continuing appropriations, buot psabot nga kun ang imong 70M karon tuiga dili nimo gastohon, pwede ni gastohon sunod tuig + sa imong bag=o nga 70M.. dba, swabe kaayo.. unya naa provision sa balaod nga ang surplus funds, meaning kanang wala na gasto, maliban nlang sa capital outlays(hard projects) pwede e-realign.. dha na gyud sa re-alignment ang kurakot.. sila ra mg buot unsaon..
    mao nga gusto sa DBM karon, itemized budgeting.. zero-budgetting to avoid re-alignment of funds..


    Quote Originally Posted by Romeojin View Post
    example lang to kay Palatino oi. Kung congressman ka sa usa ka sector like agriculture diba part man pud nimo mohatag sa DOA kung naa silay project which benefits your constituent?
    di nalang gud ta istorya about CI gud lol, pork barrel man gyud ako main point.
    mura man kag just-now bro, dili man mandated ang mga legislators mo gasto para sa ilang constituents.. LEGISLATORS gani.. kanang mga partylist, dapat gani sila mo MODEL nga dili na sila mo dawat ug porkbarrel.. sila man noon ng una2x ug dawat ana.. pgka pulpol mga tawhana..

    maypa c Joker ug lacson wala ga dawat ug PDAF..

    pero dili gihapon nko idol ang duha.. haha

  3. #123

    Default Re: Pnoy's 3rd State of the Nation Address (July 23, 2012)

    ..just a short point of view, i think, wala japoy kausab..

  4. #124

    Default Re: Pnoy's 3rd State of the Nation Address (July 23, 2012)

    Quote Originally Posted by jack_bauer View Post
    dili lagi na PDAF ang CI.. ug wala say PDAF ang presidente.. Intelligence budget hinoon which is COA-audit free.. just open your mind para sd ka maka learn ginagmay aning storya nato.. basin ma ban nata ani sa kadaghan ug OT's

    ang CI man gd, paagi sa mga kurakot mka kuha ug daghan more tha sa ilang 70M/yr limit..

    more than 80%, im sure wala na kay mo VETO man c noynoy kung naay significant alteration sa iyang proposed national budget.. mao btaw pg 2011 GAA grabi ka saba sa mga tongressman kay apektado ilang kurapsyon.. daghan black propaganda apil pas Raymond Palatino.. haha
    ga.libog2x man gud ka. pareho ra man a source of corruption ang PDAF ug CI. but im still sticking CI as part of PDAF.

    naay link anang alteration?

    di man gd na ma double ang pork barrel.. max of 70M/yr sa congressman.. max of 200M/yr sa senator, unya naay policy nga continuing appropriations, buot psabot nga kun ang imong 70M karon tuiga dili nimo gastohon, pwede ni gastohon sunod tuig + sa imong bag=o nga 70M.. dba, swabe kaayo.. unya naa provision sa balaod nga ang surplus funds, meaning kanang wala na gasto, maliban nlang sa capital outlays(hard projects) pwede e-realign.. dha na gyud sa re-alignment ang kurakot.. sila ra mg buot unsaon..
    mao nga gusto sa DBM karon, itemized budgeting.. zero-budgetting to avoid re-alignment of funds..
    double than the PDAF of the GMA admin. does it also mean mas prone to corruption ron? unsa man ka effective kanang ilang procedure ron? naa na diay sila nadakpan

    natural lang man ang realignment esp kung naay natural disaser sa ilang congressional district.

    mura man kag just-now bro, dili man mandated ang mga legislators mo gasto para sa ilang constituents.. LEGISLATORS gani.. kanang mga partylist, dapat gani sila mo MODEL nga dili na sila mo dawat ug porkbarrel.. sila man noon ng una2x ug dawat ana.. pgka pulpol mga tawhana..

    maypa c Joker ug lacson wala ga dawat ug PDAF..

    pero dili gihapon nko idol ang duha.. haha
    asa diay padung ilang PDAF? of course paigo.on gyud nila mo gasto para sa ilang constituent, unsaon pag daug sa reelection

    OT:
    9pm naman jack... grabeh naman ning marathon ugma na pud, murag layo na ni sa SONA

  5. #125

    Default Re: Pnoy's 3rd State of the Nation Address (July 23, 2012)

    Quote Originally Posted by Romeojin View Post
    kung double na ang pork barrel, di diay mo double pud ang corruption? nganong modagan man gud congressman ang mga politiko kung wa silay makuha?
    This is a very evil statement right here...
    ngano makiglalis paman ka nga you are too convinced nga naa gyuy corruption.
    I am not saying nga mawala gyud ang corruption, but it can be significantly minimized.

    But sa imong case, you just proved yourself nga you cannot accept that there can be any improvements.
    And I understand you, because we have been taking too much crap for the past few decades.
    But really, where is all this complaining taking you? A lot of things are moving forward...are you?

  6. #126

    Default Re: Pnoy's 3rd State of the Nation Address (July 23, 2012)

    Quote Originally Posted by Romeojin View Post
    ga.libog2x man gud ka. pareho ra man a source of corruption ang PDAF ug CI. but im still sticking CI as part of PDAF.
    grabi bro, hurot na gyud akong bilid nimo.. di gyud ka mka dawat ug corrections? from your analogy, parehas ra ang PDAF ug CI kay abi source of corruption man.. then we shall agree nga parehas ra ang funds sa PNP gigamit sa kurapsyon ug ang PDAF?
    Quote Originally Posted by Romeojin View Post
    naay link anang alteration?
    double than the PDAF of the GMA admin. does it also mean mas prone to corruption ron? unsa man ka effective kanang ilang procedure ron? naa na diay sila nadakpan
    di nana kinahanglan ug link bro kay dili nana ka pasar sa bicameral committee hearing.. ug kun mka pasar man gani, naa VETO power ang presidente.. so far, wala pa may gahig ulo nga congressman, tamed pman ni sila.. wala pay dakong congressional insertions sa budget.. wala ko ni claim nga 100% wala na gyud, kay wala baya na nko gi-analize ang GAA, dili sd ko CPA.. pero klaro man nga wala na.. gi itemized nman ang budgetting karon..

    Quote Originally Posted by Romeojin View Post
    natural lang man ang realignment esp kung naay natural disaser sa ilang congressional district.
    confirmed na gyud nko bro nga wala nimo na sabtan ang budget process 100%.. kani man gd mga projects bro, e-detalye ni daan.. example, disaster relief budget sa DND, procurement of books sa DepEd, anti-dengue campiagn funds sa DOH, etc.. sa budget appropriations gi-itemized nani daan.. kung unsay naa sa GAA mao ra gyud na ang dapat gastohan.. now, kung mo lapse ang 1yr, dili ma gasto, katong na allocate na daan, ma consider to sila nga SURPLUS funds, which is pwede e re-align not unless capital outlay funds(hard projects), pero dili sd 100% re-alignment proof and capital outlays, naa gihapon maneuverings ana, etc., etc.. SO, dili gyud NATURAL ang re-alignment bro ha.. mao gani naay BUDGET gibuhat para guided ang spending...



    Quote Originally Posted by Romeojin View Post
    asa diay padung ilang PDAF? of course paigo.on gyud nila mo gasto para sa ilang constituent, unsaon pag daug sa reelection

    OT:
    9pm naman jack... grabeh naman ning marathon ugma na pud, murag layo na ni sa SONA
    ok bro, pgtuon usa kabahin sa budget.. see you soon.. joke..

  7. #127

    Default Re: Pnoy's 3rd State of the Nation Address (July 23, 2012)

    Quote Originally Posted by Klave View Post
    This is a very evil statement right here...
    ngano makiglalis paman ka nga you are too convinced nga naa gyuy corruption.
    I am not saying nga mawala gyud ang corruption, but it can be significantly minimized.

    But sa imong case, you just proved yourself nga you cannot accept that there can be any improvements.
    And I understand you, because we have been taking too much crap for the past few decades.
    But really, where is all this complaining taking you? A lot of things are moving forward...are you?

    yes it is an evil statement most of the people will agree on that. even seasoned politicians like Santiago, Drillon et al. would say pork barrel is a source of kickback.

    di man tana ko makig.lalis ani but jack thinks otherwise.

    yes i doubt there will be improvements, time and time in this forum i kept saying i.abolish gyud ng pork barrel then we can truly say that corruption had been lessen.

    are you suggesting we shouldn't talk about it and move forward? im moving forward, im paying taxes. whats wrong talking about it on this forum. If you dont like what you reading here.. like what people say... "then that defeat the purpose of going on to the forum"

  8. #128

    Default Re: Pnoy's 3rd State of the Nation Address (July 23, 2012)

    Quote Originally Posted by jack_bauer View Post
    grabi bro, hurot na gyud akong bilid nimo.. di gyud ka mka dawat ug corrections? from your analogy, parehas ra ang PDAF ug CI kay abi source of corruption man.. then we shall agree nga parehas ra ang funds sa PNP gigamit sa kurapsyon ug ang PDAF?

    kanang PDAF no question its a source of corruption, theres gazillion of links that would support that.

    kanang CI ikaw lang nag ingon its a source of corruption. you cant even backed it up with a link.

    kung di kadawat na dili ni sila both source of corruption... ikaw na lang correct sa imong kaugalingon


    di nana kinahanglan ug link bro kay dili nana ka pasar sa bicameral committee hearing.. ug kun mka pasar man gani, naa VETO power ang presidente.. so far, wala pa may gahig ulo nga congressman, tamed pman ni sila.. wala pay dakong congressional insertions sa budget.. wala ko ni claim nga 100% wala na gyud, kay wala baya na nko gi-analize ang GAA, dili sd ko CPA.. pero klaro man nga wala na.. gi itemized nman ang budgetting karon..
    from what my source said kanang CI.. part man diay na sa congress deliberation, kung ganahan ang mga congressmen pun.an ang budget sa usa ka sector or project, pwede nila i propose na. since it involves all of the congressmen... how come naay corruption ani?

    why you keep talking of government budget when PDAF lang man atong giistoryahan?


    confirmed na gyud nko bro nga wala nimo na sabtan ang budget process 100%.. kani man gd mga projects bro, e-detalye ni daan.. example, disaster relief budget sa DND, procurement of books sa DepEd, anti-dengue campiagn funds sa DOH, etc.. sa budget appropriations gi-itemized nani daan.. kung unsay naa sa GAA mao ra gyud na ang dapat gastohan.. now, kung mo lapse ang 1yr, dili ma gasto, katong na allocate na daan, ma consider to sila nga SURPLUS funds, which is pwede e re-align not unless capital outlay funds(hard projects), pero dili sd 100% re-alignment proof and capital outlays, naa gihapon maneuverings ana, etc., etc.. SO, dili gyud NATURAL ang re-alignment bro ha.. mao gani naay BUDGET gibuhat para guided ang spending...
    ok bro, pgtuon usa kabahin sa budget.. see you soon.. joke..
    wa lagi ta nag talk about sa budget.. PDAF man.

    ako point kanang PDAF pwede na ma realign esp kung naay calamity. even sa US gibuhat ni nila. natural gud nang realignment. gi allowed gihapon na ron.

    Congress approves P12-B calamity fund

    kanang government budget di gyud na flexible to be re-align, but there are case pwede.

    i.absorb sa ako point before ka moingon wa ko kasabot lmao

  9. #129

    Default Re: Pnoy's 3rd State of the Nation Address (July 23, 2012)

    ^certianly, you dont know what you're talking about..

    try to study national budget and you;ll know why im talking about that..

    PDAF is part and only a parcel of the GAA, so if you want to discuss PDAF, then for god's sake, you cant avoid talking the national budget process..

    PDAF, congressional insertions, etc.. are part of GAA..

    and you need to look into also, what are the circumstances that allows budget re-alignment..

    ......kapoooooooooooooy..

  10. #130

    Default Re: Pnoy's 3rd State of the Nation Address (July 23, 2012)

    mga brod and sis e check inyong BP ha... ga away naman mu hinoon...
    anyway, unsay lacking sa sona ni p. noynoy?

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