MERGED: Gay Marriage in the Philippines

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

That is exactly my sentiments there .

Walay mawala , for all I care about same s3x marriage basta di lang gamiton ang SACRAMENT of MATRIMONY because that is already DISRESPECTING and INSULT to the church .

Why do we keep on repeating this ? Because the GAY COMMUNITIES only last resort was to distort and interpret the BIBLE in a wrong way as long as it yields to their advantage and favor. Mas dako man ang chance na mabulabog nila ang church compare sa civil and surprisingly , for legalities mas naya weight ang civil marriage so ngano di man sila sa gobyerno mo parayg ani ?

Pero I am just wondering , considering maka come up ni sila ug own rite and rituals on the church side , who would recognize them as OFFICIAL COUPLES ?

[jojo_mouth]

"'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. --Levicticus 18:22

Klaro kaayo na deli ni pwede..

[Eve's Apple Project]

its congress' job to pass hundreds of laws... theyre already being paid to do that.. urging them to pass 1 more law won't cost us anything more.

Why bother with one more? daghan pending which is way more important than this right? RH bill, Divorce? they are paid yes, that makes it our concern & not just for the LGBT community.

where did you get this notion that roman catholicism is the only religion not in favor of same *** marriage?

hate to say this but you did, look at your post below. basin wa lang ko kasabot sa imong gipost..

As for religious beliefs... to each his own... catholics in general obviously dont welcome gay people (despite many priests being gay) but other religious groups are more liberal...

Just because daghan tang mga catholics doesnt mean nga tanan rules and regulations sa church atong i-sunod sa government. We have to be fair to everyone especially those sectors nga marginalized or minority...

so, if they are deserving of respect, why deprive them of the right to get married?

it's no different from Prostitution, why deprieving them from their right to use their body.
or Drug addicts who wants to be happy, why not legalize MJ (it's supposed to be herbal)?

thats fear mongering. unsa may mawala nimo if i-allow ni? I agree the RH Bill and Divorce Bill need to be passed... pero gi block man ghapon ni sila sa RC church... which just shows nga dili dapat manghilabot ang church or mahimong issue ang religion when it comes to legislation because religious beliefs are not universal and you will end up with different beliefs. The law should go beyond religious biases.

you've got a point there, walay mawala.. unsa man say ma-gain? nothing (or nothing solid). have you seen the movie "Chuck & Larry"? anything is possible. people will just twist this & use it. mao nang dapat hinay-hinay jud basta Law kay gasto kaayo ang pagrepeal ani.

marriage is not the sole property of the church... or the Roman Catholic Church to be specific... one can get a civil wedding without a church ceremony.... akong definition of marriage here is not religious but as merely the legal civil union aspect of it.

Dili man ma daot ang sanctity of the Catholic Marriage because the union is purely civil and legal...

am, dili church ang issue diri. religion is not the issue, pwede man sila mobalhin. this more of a society issue. we are talking about the LAW, not the church (RC is just complaining, & di lang RC ang mocomplain ana later). if it becomes a law, the church can still prohibit you from marrying because of their doctrines. if you want the doctrines to be changed, then lahi nasad na nga topic. Gay Couple can still get married infront of a Judge or move to another religion ling MCC (kung asa sila comportable). Gay Couples have rights, Church have doctrines. simple


i have said here nga kung gusto jud sila nga mapasar ni, they should convince the Sect leaders first (muslims, INC, JW, Babtist, RC, etc). if they can, then they already won half the battle. remember, politicians are at the mercy of the voters & supporters.
if the person who is sitting at the highest chair is pro LGBT, maybe you have a slight advantage.

[brian joshua]

in the beginning there was "adam and eve"...not adam and steve...

[vipvip68]

"'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. --Levicticus 18:22

Klaro kaayo na deli ni pwede..

basaha sad nya the rest of leviticus ... katong parts about stoning women who commited adultery or katong nag wear ug polyester blend nga cloth..

You cannot simply pick and choose which parts of the bible are convenient for your situation.

[vipvip68]

Why bother with one more? daghan pending which is way more important than this right? RH bill, Divorce? they are paid yes, that makes it our concern & not just for the LGBT community.

There are more important bills than this... yes.. but there are also a lot of unimportant bills... so this deserves to be taken up more than those.

hate to say this but you did, look at your post below. basin wa lang ko kasabot sa imong gipost..

pa read back lang bro. Asa man daw ko ni ingon nga Catholicism is the ONLY religion not in favor of same *** marriage?

it's no different from Prostitution, why deprieving them from their right to use their body.
or Drug addicts who wants to be happy, why not legalize MJ (it's supposed to be herbal)?

prostitution is a separate issue with its own pitfalls... not a good comparison..
drugs not only affect the individual, they are cause for crime and broken families.

you've got a point there, walay mawala.. unsa man say ma-gain? nothing (or nothing solid). have you seen the movie "Chuck & Larry"? anything is possible. people will just twist this & use it. mao nang dapat hinay-hinay jud basta Law kay gasto kaayo ang pagrepeal ani.

nothing for you but it means a lot for them.

am, dili church ang issue diri. religion is not the issue, pwede man sila mobalhin. this more of a society issue. we are talking about the LAW, not the church (RC is just complaining, & di lang RC ang mocomplain ana later). if it becomes a law, the church can still prohibit you from marrying because of their doctrines. if you want the doctrines to be changed, then lahi nasad na nga topic. Gay Couple can still get married infront of a Judge or move to another religion ling MCC (kung asa sila comportable). Gay Couples have rights, Church have doctrines. simple


i have said here nga kung gusto jud sila nga mapasar ni, they should convince the Sect leaders first (muslims, INC, JW, Babtist, RC, etc). if they can, then they already won half the battle. remember, politicians are at the mercy of the voters & supporters.
if the person who is sitting at the highest chair is pro LGBT, maybe you have a slight advantage.

I doubt this will be passed into law especially in this country. Im just merely voicing what I believe is the right thing to do. Its frustrating to live in a country where the church makes the rules and has hindered our progress (im talking about the RHB)

actually, me and my wife as a sign of protest against the RCC, wala mi mag church wedding until the RHB is passed into law.

[Eve's Apple Project]

^^ bai, you just pointed out that the " catholic church in general" & "other religous groups are liberal". Well, past is past then.
Catholic church will always be conservative. They have doctrines to follow. Doctrines were set, we just have to follow it. Paabot nalng ta kung kanus a na usbon sa vatican. (sorry, ot na to).

Like you i am waiting for the rh bill first. Followed by divorce. If not then this gay marraige thing is a waste of time & effort.

The benefits to them? Where is the majority in that? All the benefits they are looking for are already there. They just need to ask.
marraige just a piece of paper?. I will still say this bai, they already broke the taboo, why go back? They still feel that they don't belong in this society? They are already being embraced by a few. Women dessing & acting like gay, lady gaga, etc list goes on. Sorry but wa lang jud ko kasabot sa point. You don't force someone to accept something if they dont like it ,right? So if conservatives don't want it, then why bother. Majority paman gihapon ang conservatives.

Regarding myexamples, maybe it is not as close as what i wanted to point out... Prostis are legal in some countries, so does MJ. Na abuse ba ni in those countries who legalized it, yes! So do you think this will not? How will this be abused,hmmm try this scenario:

Your american friend can come here to marry you. In return you pay a few thousand bucks. Then you become a us citizen then a few years later you go file for divorce. There you have it, in a few years time, you'll be a full pledge american.you can now bring your girlfriend whom you choose to marry later. Di pani ang pinaka grabe nga example bai. Oh, this is already happening, ang nakalahi lang kay a man & woman pa ang pwede magpakasal..

I admire your stand on the rh bill bai. You not marrying in the church because of it is good. Frankly speaking, i would never do what you have done. Honestly, the church will not care if we dont get married under their roof. I hope they do, but in reality they don't. I'm not saying they are bad, they just give you your choice. Sa kasal namo, kadungan nako nag pre- cana ang Isa ka couple nga almost 15 years nang minyo through civil wedding. Our the rc church didn't condemn them, they accepted them still. That is the rcc bai. It may look bad, but its really up to us. Freewill, ingon pa sila.

[vipvip68]

^^ bai, you just pointed out that the " catholic church in general" & "other religous groups are liberal". Well, past is past then.
Catholic church will always be conservative. They have doctrines to follow. Doctrines were set, we just have to follow it. Paabot nalng ta kung kanus a na usbon sa vatican. (sorry, ot na to).

Like you i am waiting for the rh bill first. Followed by divorce. If not then this gay marraige thing is a waste of time & effort.

The benefits to them? Where is the majority in that? All the benefits they are looking for are already there. They just need to ask.
marraige just a piece of paper?. I will still say this bai, they already broke the taboo, why go back? They still feel that they don't belong in this society? They are already being embraced by a few. Women dessing & acting like gay, lady gaga, etc list goes on. Sorry but wa lang jud ko kasabot sa point. You don't force someone to accept something if they dont like it ,right? So if conservatives don't want it, then why bother. Majority paman gihapon ang conservatives.

Regarding myexamples, maybe it is not as close as what i wanted to point out... Prostis are legal in some countries, so does MJ. Na abuse ba ni in those countries who legalized it, yes! So do you think this will not? How will this be abused,hmmm try this scenario:

Your american friend can come here to marry you. In return you pay a few thousand bucks. Then you become a us citizen then a few years later you go file for divorce. There you have it, in a few years time, you'll be a full pledge american.you can now bring your girlfriend whom you choose to marry later. Di pani ang pinaka grabe nga example bai. Oh, this is already happening, ang nakalahi lang kay a man & woman pa ang pwede magpakasal..

I admire your stand on the rh bill bai. You not marrying in the church because of it is good. Frankly speaking, i would never do what you have done. Honestly, the church will not care if we dont get married under their roof. I hope they do, but in reality they don't. I'm not saying they are bad, they just give you your choice. Sa kasal namo, kadungan nako nag pre- cana ang Isa ka couple nga almost 15 years nang minyo through civil wedding. Our the rc church didn't condemn them, they accepted them still. That is the rcc bai. It may look bad, but its really up to us. Freewill, ingon pa sila.

theres a difference between saying "other religious groups are liberal" to "All the other groups are liberal" of course there are other religions nga against gay marriage... the same way naa say groups who are for it... basta religion lagi, lain lain gyud na sya.

Hopefully ma pass na gyud ning RHB. To me it is a very big factor sa mismanagement sa population growth. Whenever I see families of 8 or more living in the slums... unya luoy kaayo ang mga anak... mag lagot ko cos the church gives very big importance to the life of the unborn but to the poor children who are suffering ... wala silay paki... basta naay bunyag, kasal, lubong and maka kwarta sila...

I have never heard priests talk about responsible parenthood and not having more children than what you can responsibly care and provide for.

[brian joshua]

calling all bayot to apprehend and grasp mentally the reason why you cant get married...

[heliopause]

walay bayot nga istoryan diri?

sodomites are a danger to the society. Aside from being unproductive they spread disease in the society, lisud kayo kay manakod ni sila. Have you observe daghan na kayong yads karong panahuna?