Bosnian War 1992-1996

[gcc4426]

i once found myself amused looking at the murder/genocide pictures ani sauna... i dunno why, but i find genocide pictures (in general) very interesting

[balipseyev]

People who love to read about war, have never been to one, will never be willing to be in one.

War is always a curse.. both for the victor and the vanquished.

Why must people have to kill each other?

I agree, dili lalim oy, although bata paku ato, pero remember gyud naku ang kulba oy, abi lagi namug mamatay nami ato... The Police convoy na amo gisundan going to cotabato city was ambushed, apil ang amoang sakyanan gistrapping, maayo kay isog ang driver naka backing daun, 3 ang samaran sa amoa gi sakyan...

Also during sa All-out war ni Erap, ang mga helicopter kay sa amoang skwelahan man mu landing, luoy kaayo lantawon ang mga sundalo nga nasamdan or namatay, mag ka dugo gud ang Huey...

[machinecult]

It would not make any sense if the very people who wrote it was never there .

Do you guys know why ? I myself is a veteran of 3 conflicts ( civil wars ) and so is WALKER . It might be insulting to you guys but the fact remains , there is truth in it . You call that FACSINATION . Just because you guys are facsinated doesnt mean you are an ARM CHAIR GENERAL also or not glorifying anything .

To put substance in the statement , AERLO and MACHINECULT ... after seeing the pictures , would you guys still ENLIST and fight the war ?

This is horrible. It's as if we can't read, write or share anything about history now because We were not there? Are you guys serious? Its not like I'm publishing a book with revised and made-up contents. What I wrote there are things you can find from other sources. My Youtube channel has some Vietnam War material there but I never heard Vietnam vets whine about these videos because its nonsensical for me to share and talk about them...

Do you think all your history books are made by people who were there too? I'm reading a book about Napoleon, so should I throw it out because the author didn't exist in the 19th century? There's a major fallacy here. I'm sorry to say what ever your terrible experiences were, you're acting all elitist on us.

Whether we're fascinated or whether this shit turns us on that's really NOYFB. were after people who have similar interests. I'll also have the decency not to over-analyze them if they're cowards. Just because they're interested in war doesn't mean they should be fighting in one. That's not my call, and that's not how 'this' works.

[æRLO]

The sad fact is , there is truth in what WALKER just stated .

@ AERLO ...

It would not make any sense if the very people who wrote it was never there .

Do you guys know why ? I myself is a veteran of 3 conflicts ( civil wars ) and so is WALKER . It might be insulting to you guys but the fact remains , there is truth in it . You call that FACSINATION . Just because you guys are facsinated doesnt mean you are an ARM CHAIR GENERAL also or not glorifying anything .

To put substance in the statement , AERLO and MACHINECULT ... after seeing the pictures , would you guys still ENLIST and fight the war ?

I do not call myself an enthusiast of war, because I do not see how any sane person can be enthusiastic about it. Maybe when I was younger sir, and I did not know of it firsthand. My "enthusiasm" for war is what compelled me to experience it. There is nothing glorious about war nor has it ever been. Bisan sa mga predecesors nako who fought in the "good" wars, war is hell. It will always be hell.

Now, about this, I know how veterans feel about talking about their experiences with non-combatants. I have been in both shoes. But discussion regarding war in an objective manner is perfectly fine with me as long as it is not polarized. Believe me, this is beyond fascination--military history is something of an interest (before and after), but do not mistake it for reveling in the acts of war. I firmly believe that wars and military history should be discussed openly and as honest as it can be, without the sugar-coating. But as far as my experiences, no way I'd just open up to any schmuck.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

This is horrible. It's as if we can't read, write or share anything about history now because We were not there? Are you guys serious? Its not like I'm publishing a book with revised and made-up contents. What I wrote there are things you can find from other sources. My Youtube channel has some Vietnam War material there but I never heard Vietnam vets whine about these videos because its nonsensical for me to share and talk about them...

It is indeed horrible . You are not getting the drift here . This is not a statement directly hitting on you or AERLO for that matter but since kamo man ang ni react , it was explained . Nobody really cares about your history because just like everyone else , all you did was only channel lay down something that can be done also through google . You are not sharing anything , it already existed way , way back . You only pointed it out and that sad fact remains , its your FACSINATION about it ebcause if you are not facsinated about it , then I dont see any good and valid reason to talk about it on a personal level . Otherwise , kung di siya personal level , there is no need for you to react violently .

Do you think all your history books are made by people who were there too? I'm reading a book about Napoleon, so should I throw it out because the author didn't exist in the 19th century? There's a major fallacy here. I'm sorry to say what ever your terrible experiences were, you're acting all elitist on us.

You are grasping it wrong . Dont act smart on me , you never read anything in my post that for you to have the authority of talking about , you should have foirst hand experience about it . Ayaw ko ug himui ug istorya dong .

Whether we're fascinated or whether this shit turns us on that's really NOYFB. were after people who have similar interests. I'll also have the decency not to over-analyze them if they're cowards. Just because they're interested in war doesn't mean they should be fighting in one. That's not my call, and that's not how 'this' works.

True ... its not my FUKIN' business . Its there a need to curse here ? I sh1t you not boy . You really are not getting the drift . if you can only be in the same page , you would probably say SORRY rather than say something that is not nice . That is cowardice mind you hiding it in CAPITAL LETTERS .

Now to the topic ... its not your call either to say what the statement was intended for . You are already validating it without evaluating . As long as there is truth in it , you can do FUKIN' nothing about it.

Boy ... you have a sailor's mouth.

@AERLO ....

I do not call myself an enthusiast of war, because I do not see how any sane person can be enthusiastic about it. Maybe when I was younger sir, and I did not know of it firsthand. My "enthusiasm" for war is what compelled me to experience it. There is nothing glorious about war nor has it ever been. Bisan sa mga predecesors nako who fought in the "good" wars, war is hell. It will always be hell.

Mao gani the only common denominator when it is talked about is FACSINATION . And because one is FACSINATED , it does not automatically put into understanding na ARM GENERAL dayon na. Mao gani na kuryuso .

Now, about this, I know how veterans feel about talking about their experiences with non-combatants. I have been in both shoes. But discussion regarding war in an objective manner is perfectly fine with me as long as it is not polarized. Believe me, this is beyond fascination--military history is something of an interest (before and after), but do not mistake it for reveling in the acts of war. I firmly believe that wars and military history should be discussed openly and as honest as it can be, without the sugar-coating. But as far as my experiences, no way I'd just open up to any schmuck.

As long as what you open is in any way lives TRUTHFULLNESS into it , I dont see anything wrong with its contents . Unless what you are doing is CLAIMING then that is more than sugar coating . What I dont get is , ngano di man ninyo i acknowledge na ther eis TRUTH into the statement ? Wethe you guys like it or not , that is a FACT.

The problem here , when coping it sometimes leads to interpretations of embracing it or not. Dili ninyo madawat because it is insulting in a way if gisabot ninyo na ang statement para s ainyong duha . It is a general statement . Since kamo man 2 ni react , so kamo pod duha ang gi explainan and that was a clear manifestation of getting offended when in fact its a statement that clearly emphasizes indirectly . We will wait for WALKER to see what is his take on the matter . We could have different views to it and the intent of why it was said but di gihapon na ma lalis since carries substance.

[jeremiahjay]

I was in college when this war broke out, I didn't have a chance to understand thIs war until this time (at least a little bit of understanding). I am not fascinated with killings but i find this thread educational (a less offensive word) since I'm somewhat fascinated with events and history..

I hope the discussions here is about objectivity, what transpired during that time, and the sides of the war; as oppose to fascinations, and other irrelevant opinions or sides...peace..

[walker]

I did not and never meant to be insulting to Machinecult, and to the followers of this thread with my post.

All I simply tried to put across was that this thread is sadly, about FASCINATION of WAR and specifically about the War in Bosnia. The TS claimed to have seen the movie Shot Through the Heart, and said with words ringing of satisfaction and having been entertained, that "it is my kind of movie".

That Bosnian conflict is one of the worst atrocities that man has committed against a fellow man. In Bosnia particularly in the subject of this very thread, many of the combatants were friends just before the war. It is a good guess, Machinecult is also reading about the terror in Rwanda, the slaughter in Sudan, and parts of Africa. Oh my, I regret having clicked and found this thread.

I cringe at the sight of such photographs that seem GLAMOROUS to those FASCINATED with WAR, but personally, brings me back to a time of personal terror that I try very hard to suppress. But I tell you guys, THERE IS NOTHING GLAMOROUS ABOUT WAR, no matter how you discuss it.

My father fought in WWII against the Japs, but he rarely told me about his exploits, even as a child I pressed on him to share a few tales. In muted silence, he tried to lead me away from that path, but Fate had other plans.

Please do not be offended.

WAR IS THE BANE OF MANKIND, you might be fascinated by it, but let me tell you, WAR IS A FALSE ADVENTURE, no exceptions, whether one is victor or vanquished.

You will understand that, when you have been to one, but never if you are experiencing wars in the pages of a book in the comfort of your seat, or imagining the adrenalin by watching a movie while sipping your favorite drink.

There should be more LOVE than War.. life is a lot better if there is more peace than conflicts.

Otherwise, this fascination of war in this thread, smells and sounds very much like we are in a barbershop. After the haircut is done, we go home as if nothing has happened, except, losing some hairs....but for some, might trigger nightmares, for like me, I made such terrible mistakes once upon in my life.

War is never fascinating. It should never have happened at all.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

So there you go boys .

It was a statement meant for the topic and not for the TS.

Now back to the topic ....

[machinecult]

Here's for the shot down F117 Stealth plane.

The F-117 was downed by Colonel Zoltan Dani, former commander of the 3rd battery of the 250th Missile Brigade in Belgrade, on March 27, 1999.

In an interview with the Voice of Russia, Dani, who retired in 2004 and now owns a small bakery outside Belgrade, elaborated on the March 27 events.

“At about 18:00 local time, we were ordered to turn on the system. We checked out the functionality of the missile defense system, reporting that the 3rd battery was on combat alert. After 20:00, a NATO airstrike began which prompted us to turn on the radar that tracked down an approaching target. We asked the mission control center to act against this aircraft, and at 20:41 we got the go-ahead. At 20:42, the target was destroyed. It took us 18 seconds to do so.”

How did you manage to spot the stealth fighter?

To that end, we used the Soviet-made P18 meter band radar which is capable of tracking any warplane irrespective of the configuration of its fuselage. The radar started to emit and we discovered a target at a distance of 15 kilometers – something that our operators were distinctly seeing on a display. I was quick to order the launch of a missile which destroyed the target.

You mean that you managed to shoot down the sophisticated aircraft with the help of the vintage S-125Neva anti-aircraft system?

I don’t quite agree with you. Of course, Russia has more advanced missile defense systems, but I proceed from the assumption that a cat’s color does not contribute to its ability to catch mice. At the time, the S-125Neva was believed to be a rather advanced system, and we had no other systems to tackle NATO airstrikes.

Is it true that you subsequently got acquainted with a pilot of the downed F-117?

I only want to say that a relevant documentary, the Second Meeting, is due to be released before the end of this year. It took us almost four years to meet – an occasion that was held in a positive atmosphere and that helped us to bolster our communication which is still under way. Our project aims to hammer home how important world peace and family values are…

source: http:ruvr.ru


F117


S-125Neva. Could be loaded in a truck.

Wreckage





Don't know if this is the same aircraft or a different one. Looks more like a different airplane, a F-16 maybe.

Piece of the F117 and an American F-16 pilot's helmet and utility belt in display at Belgrade.


Due to this incident it is said Russia and China were able to acquire technology to develop their own stealth fighters.

The Russian PAK FA T-50


and the enigmatic Chinese Chengdu J-20

[jeremiahjay]

^ ^ giunsa man pagka shot down sa stealth ani?



Edit: Sorry my bad I didn't read beforehand...