r u sure ur save....?

[Ironside]

Can you give me a verse that paul have preached the gospel to the lost and to the saved.

REad it again:

I said: paul preached the gospel to the lost while he teached the moral implications of the gospel to the saved.

Yes, whatever they do IN CHRIST. What do saved people do IN CHRIST?
righteousness and holiness
Wow, you are really saved.
Even you do drugs, gambling,having other wife or partner, and illegal transactions you're still saved.
But Paul said:
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Galatians 5:19-21.

Did you erase this verses in your bible or tear this off?

Peace!


i think you need to read it very slowly again my friend; here I will write it again:


Yes, whatever they do IN CHRIST. What do saved people do IN CHRIST? righteousness and holiness


Saved people, IN Christ people characteristically do righteousness and holiness. They dont practice sin.



i hope i will not have to write it again a third time

[rcruman]

I think you're the one who need to read it slowly.
This is my question and your answer is:
Even its against the gospel? Like having other wife, being drunk, drugs and illegal transaction?
Yes, whatever they do IN CHRIST. What do saved people do IN CHRIST?
righteousness and holiness

All christians are enlightened, but not all enlightened are christians.
some of them reject that light
How come there are "not all enlightened are christians"?
Who enlightened these people? diba Christ is light?
46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.JOhn 12:46.
Is there other light aside from Christ?

Saved people, IN Christ people characteristically do righteousness and holiness. They dont practice sin.
Really? All?

How about this:
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 2 Peter 2:20-21.

Don't tell me these are professing Christians again?
These people know the way of righteousness and was with Christ.

YOur belief is very dangerous because you will teach your member not to do things about the Gospel because you've teached them that they are saved already.

PEace!

[Ironside]

I think you're the one who need to read it slowly.
This is my question and your answer is:
Even its against the gospel? Like having other wife, being drunk, drugs and illegal transaction?
Yes, whatever they do IN CHRIST. What do saved people do IN CHRIST?
righteousness and holiness


kana bay nga naa sa red sa taas, imo nang dugang dugang sa akong akong words. Wala na sa original question nimo.

mao ni ang original question nimo o: check it in the previous page, fourth from below. Ayaw dugangi


[ Thus saved from sins saved already from damnation or lake of fire?
Whatever they do they are saved?]


then answer nako:


yes, Ro 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus.


Whatever they do they are saved?
Yes, whatever they do IN CHRIST. What do saved people do IN CHRIST?

righteousness and holiness


you are the one who needs reading my post carefully.



How come there are "not all enlightened are christians"?
Who enlightened these people? diba Christ is light?
46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.JOhn 12:46.

Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.


Is there other light aside from Christ?


Christ is the light of the world, yet not all want to accept His light. others want to stay in darkness.


Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Saved people, IN Christ people characteristically do righteousness and holiness. They dont practice sin.
Really? All?


yes all. 1Jo 3:9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

How about this:
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 2 Peter 2:20-21.

Don't tell me these are professing Christians again?
These people know the way of righteousness and was with Christ.


These people escaped the pollutions of the world. "Pollution" not the corruption of the world. True Christians have escaped the corruption that is within them

pollution speaks of outside, corruption speaks of what's inside.

These people go with the Christian fellowship for some time, but since the corruption of the heart remains unchanged, they returned to their old way of living. True Christians are sheep not sows or dogs. These people;s nature was not changed, they have reformed themselves on the outside but the inside was not transformed.

Notice the illustration in red below.

2Pe 2:20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning.

2Pe 2:21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.

2Pe 2:22 But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: "A dog returns to his own vomit," and, "a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire."


True Christians however have ESCAPED NOT ONLY THE POLLUTIONS OF THE WORLD, but also the CORRUPTION OF THE WORLD AND HAVE A NEW DIVINE NATURE:


2Pe 1:4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

YOur belief is very dangerous because you will teach your member not to do things about the Gospel because you've teached them that they are saved already.

PEace!

That is your assumption, on the other hand we teach what the Bible teaches to saved people:

Live Holy lives.

here are the apostle Paul's own words: Bay wala siya naka commit og honest mistake diri ha? l

Tit 3:5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,

Tit 3:6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,


So Paul saved nami Paul? Ingon si Rcruman Paul nga dilikado kuno na nga doctrine.


Tit 3:8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I want you to affirm constantly, that those who have believed in God should be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable to men



P.s bay basaha to ako Romans 6:1 bai last page man siguro to bahin ani nga assumption nimo.

[rcruman]

Really? go to page 6 and you can see this:
Yes, whatever they do IN CHRIST.
Even its against the gospel? Like having other wife, being drunk, drugs and illegal transaction?
righteousness and holiness
What are the things done before by currently Christians before they know Christ?
Are Christian being enlightened by Christ?
Yes, whatever they do IN CHRIST. What do saved people do IN CHRIST?
righteousness and holiness
All christians are enlightened, but not all enlightened are christians.
some of them reject that light

Pagklaro diha ironside, samut na kung wala tay kopya dali kaayo ka kalimud.

These people escaped the pollutions of the world. "Pollution" not the corruption of the world. True Christians have escaped the corruption that is within them

pollution speaks of outside, corruption speaks of what's inside.

These people go with the Christian fellowship for some time, but since the corruption of the heart remains unchanged, they returned to their old way of living. True Christians are sheep not sows or dogs. These people;s nature was not changed, they have reformed themselves on the outside but the inside was not transformed.

Notice the illustration in red below.

So you're interpreting again.
When you've accepted Christ thus your corruption in your heart still remains?

Tit 3:5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,

Tit 3:6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
So Paul saved nami Paul? Ingon si Rcruman Paul nga dilikado kuno na nga doctrine.
Saved from what? Save from eternal damnation?
Because this verses refers to Christians who will continue to follow, but if they stop they will be polluted again.

Peace!

[Ironside]

Really? go to page 6 and you can see this:


Pagklaro diha ironside, samut na kung wala tay kopya dali kaayo ka kalimud.

ikaw pag klaro bai:


REad page six, fourth from the bottom, mao ni ang original question nimo:

your question:


Saved people are saved to serve God and fellowmen. Before they are slaves to sin but now they are slaves of righteousness.
Thus saved from sins saved already from damnation or lake of fire?
Whatever they do they are saved?


my reply:


yes, Ro 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus.


Whatever they do they are saved?
Yes, whatever they do IN CHRIST. What do saved people do IN CHRIST?

righteousness and holiness


peru

three post up this one, gi dungagan na nimo o; tan awa balik ang post nimo sa taas: gi red pa nimo pag suwat.

I think you're the one who need to read it slowly.
This is my question and your answer is:Even its against the gospel? Like having other wife, being drunk, drugs and illegal transaction?
Yes, whatever they do IN CHRIST. What do saved people do IN CHRIST?
righteousness and holiness


kanang red bai wala na sa original sa page six.







So you're interpreting again.

kamo diay dili diay mo mo interpret. ikaw kadaghang higayun nimo mo interpret diri. Dili man problema ang interpretation basta biblical and IN CONTEXT.

dili ta ka kasabot sa akong gisuwat ron or sa Bible kung imong mind wala ga process sa data tbat enters through your eye gate then ends up with an processed idea.


When you've accepted Christ thus your corruption in your heart still remains?


Ac 15:9 and he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.


Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh.

Eze 36:27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep mine ordinances, and do them.

Saved from what? Save from eternal damnation?


condemnation may giingon: Ro 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus.

Because this verses refers to Christians who will continue to follow, but if they stop they will be polluted again.

of course, truly saved people persevere in the faith. kapila ko na gi balik balik

ngano man mo persevere man sila?

Jer 32:39 and I will give them one heart and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them:

40 and I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from following them, to do them good; and I will put my fear in their hearts, that they may not depart from me.

[Ironside]

Really? go to page 6 and you can see this:


Pagklaro diha ironside, samut na kung wala tay kopya dali kaayo ka kalimud.

ikaw pag klaro bai:


REad page six, fourth from the bottom, mao ni ang original question nimo:

your question:


Saved people are saved to serve God and fellowmen. Before they are slaves to sin but now they are slaves of righteousness.
Thus saved from sins saved already from damnation or lake of fire?
Whatever they do they are saved?


my reply:


yes, Ro 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus.


Whatever they do they are saved?
Yes, whatever they do IN CHRIST. What do saved people do IN CHRIST?

righteousness and holiness


peru

three post up this one, gi dungagan na nimo o; tan awa balik ang post nimo sa taas: gi red pa nimo pag suwat.

I think you're the one who need to read it slowly.
This is my question and your answer is:Even its against the gospel? Like having other wife, being drunk, drugs and illegal transaction?
Yes, whatever they do IN CHRIST. What do saved people do IN CHRIST?
righteousness and holiness


kanang red bai wala na sa original sa page six.







So you're interpreting again.

kamo diay dili diay mo mo interpret. ikaw kadaghang higayun nimo mo interpret diri. Dili man problema ang interpretation basta biblical and IN CONTEXT.

dili ta ka kasabot sa akong gisuwat ron or sa Bible kung imong mind wala ga process sa data tbat enters through your eye gate then ends up with an processed idea.


When you've accepted Christ thus your corruption in your heart still remains?


Ac 15:9 and he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.


Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh.

Eze 36:27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep mine ordinances, and do them.

Saved from what? Save from eternal damnation?


condemnation may giingon: Ro 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus.

Because this verses refers to Christians who will continue to follow, but if they stop they will be polluted again.

of course, truly saved people persevere in the faith. kapila ko na gi balik balik

ngano man mo persevere man sila?

Jer 32:39 and I will give them one heart and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them:

40 and I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from following them, to do them good; and I will put my fear in their hearts, that they may not depart from me.

[rcruman]

kanang red bai wala na sa original sa page six.
Mao bitaw ako giklaro kung bisan unsa ba ang buhaton, muna ako gipuno pero ang imong tubag mao gihapon.
Ngano bay nakalitan ka?

About sa righteousness og holiness, unsaon ni siya pag execute?

kanang red bai wala na sa original sa page six.
Unsay wala? pagklaro bai.
Ako copyahon ha og ako ipaste hasta imo tubag.

Yes, whatever they do IN CHRIST.
Even its against the gospel? Like having other wife, being drunk, drugs and illegal transaction?
righteousness and holiness
What are the things done before by currently Christians before they know Christ?
Are Christian being enlightened by Christ?
Yes, whatever they do IN CHRIST. What do saved people do IN CHRIST?
righteousness and holiness
All christians are enlightened, but not all enlightened are christians.some of them reject that light

My question and your answer:
When you've accepted Christ thus your corruption in your heart still remains?
Ac 15:9 and he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.
Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep mine ordinances, and do them.

So the people in 2 Peter 2:20-22 are cleaned before by the gospel and they turn back?

condemnation may giingon: Ro 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus.
COndemnation from what? thus it means eternal life?
Because everytime you read a word "saved" you interpret it as eternal life.
DId you know that there are two types of Salvation?

of course, truly saved people persevere in the faith. kapila ko na gi balik balik
ngano man mo persevere man sila?
Jer 32:39 and I will give them one heart and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them:
40 and I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from following them, to do them good; and I will put my fear in their hearts, that they may not depart from me.
Pero kung sila ang mo-back out or muhunong, luwas gihapon sila?
Aw inyo man dayon ingnon professing Christians.
There are Christians who are:
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
2 Timothy 4:3-4.

Because you have mistaken the word saved and will not perish.
Will not perish is in the kingdom of God after you finished your course and victorious over Death of Satan.

Peace!

[Sinyalan]

question rcruman:

1. Was Jesus Christ a christian?
2. God himself a christian?
3. Are all disciples of Jesus Christ, christians?

[rcruman]

question rcruman:
1. Was Jesus Christ a christian?
2. God himself a christian?
3. Are all disciples of Jesus Christ, christians?

1. Christ was the founder of Christianity and the leader of Christians.
Christ is a Christian, like this you won't become a taekwondo master if you don't know taekwondo.
2. God who? God the Father?
Christ was sent by God the father and the Alpha and Omega.
3. Those who believed Christ and His Gospels are Christians, disciples and apostles are Christians.

Peace!

[Sinyalan]

1. Christ was the founder of Christianity and the leader of Christians.
Christ is a Christian, like this you won't become a taekwondo master if you don't know taekwondo.
2. God who? God the Father?
Christ was sent by God the father and the Alpha and Omega.
3. Those who believed Christ and His Gospels are Christians, disciples and apostles are Christians.

Sorry, but to tell you but Jesus don't even mention he was a christian. It was the catholicism pronounced that we are christians because we follow his teachings. Read me the verses if you think that he said I AM A CHRISTIAN.

God who? God the Father? -- Who are we discussing again brod? Budhism? Hinduism? and your answer was way off the chart... stick to the question brod... you're space walking - earth calling rcruman, come in... yohooo! Question again, WAS GOD A CHRISTIAN?

How many disciples did Jesus had? Tell me, aren't they hebrew by birth? Who created the first christian among his disciples?