Superman VS Son Gokou

[fastwalker]

Vegeta was able to sense the ginyu force coming there ship was a syain spaceship which seems to be faster then light, and Vegeta could not detect Freeza form 4's movments when he fought him se that would make him FTL..Gokou SS1 beats Freeza butt big time. (But like you said its not stated "99.9% Light speed inside Earth and 8x outside Earth" in the manga...you analyze it.)

how is that proof that they are FTL?
Just because Vegeta could not see Freeza's movements doesnt mean he's FTL, it only proves that Freeza is moving faster than Vegeta's perception.
Also, with that logic, since Bulma cant see bullets that means the bullets are going FTL? Thats bull. >_>

Gotenks circled the earth but you could see his chi trail chi is made of light (as proven during the yakon fight) so it would move at the speed of light for his trail to still there he would have to be moving at about 10c... is in DBZ Vol.24 (DB Vol.40), Page 139. (do i have to scan this page like you always do....if you don't believe me...ask Toriyama) --- (Gokou SS3 is slighty higher than Gotenks

I saw that, he went around the Earth about a dozen times, and by the time he landed he only has about a minute left of fusion. And that minute was all used up getting to Buu's house. Which means, he's not FTL.
And Goku is slightly weaker than Super Gotenks.
Super Gotenks was able to keep up with Super Buu, while Goku needed to go SSJ 3 to fight Fat Buu who is much weaker than Super Buu. And Goku stated that he cannot beat Fat Buu.

In the anime however, King Kai could not sense Goku and Freeza fighting. and he could easily sense faster than light spacepods.

Where was this? and why couldnt he sense them when he was able to sense Goku and Cell fighting, Goku and Buu fighting. and space pods in DBZ dont travel at the speed of light. Where did you get that?

Listen/read, whatever...the very fact that Goku uses Shukan Ido to move inside the earth proves that he and the others arent FTL or lightspeed. If they can go at light speed's or faster then they would be anywhere in seconds, Goku would be in Karin Tower in seconds without Shukan Ido. Goku wouldnt need to use Shukan Ido to dodge a KI Blast.

More importantly, the fact that base Vegeta, Dai-Kaioshin, Dende and Kibitoshin were able to percieve SSJ3 Goku fighting with Kid Buu all the more proves that Goku and the rest of the fighters in DBZ arent FTL or even lightspeed.

So, no, Goku and the rest of DBZ arent FTL. Vegitto, is the only one who is close to lightspeed and even then he's still slower than Superman.

But like I said, I give the fighting skills to Goku(retracting my statement). After comparing them both goku uses MA's more than Supes to take out enemies, but that doesnt mean Goku is going to beat Supes because of his MA superiority. Goku is the best fighter in DBZ yet he cant beat Buu, Cell(back then) by himself, because they are just too powerful for him. And Superman is definitely much more powerful(which I've proven).

Super Buu was the strongest..the reason he absorbed Gohan and the others. But when he turned to Kid Buu..still he was still strong, but slightly lower to Super Buu. Kid Buu even pushed back the Super Spirit Bomb which the most powerful attack in DBZ.

Like I said, Super Buu > Kid Buu, before Super Buu absorbed Gohan, Gotenks and Piccolo. Super Buu had Fat Buu adding further to his power whereas Kid Buu had none.

Gohan didn't lost his Mystic Powers at GT its just he doesn't like fighting. So he didn't trained his power like what Vegeta and Gokou always do.

gohan lost his Mystic abilities because of the fact that he is incredibly weaker and he can go into Super Saiyan which is unnecessary.

Plus, SSJ4 Goku had trouble lifting a piece of debris, how pathetic. DBZ Goku at SSJ 2 can push a hill, there is something very wrong with the GT characters.

Lastly, I think didn't understand my last statement... Gokou teleported all the people going to New Namek before Kid Buu destroyed Earth..this was at Buu Saga..not GT. Smiley Now thats power.

That never happened.

Superman. Gokou doesn't stand a chance if Superman doean't hold back. Given that they both have a good reason to beat each other up

Indeed, almost all the time he fights with his mental blocks on to avoid killing someone.

[djereza]

I saw that, he went around the Earth about a dozen times, and by the time he landed he only has about a minute left of fusion. Not FTL.

Yeah they were flying outer space as well...maybe they can breath outerspace?? "few dozen times" = 24-36 times around the globe and took a nap while waiting for piccolo. doesn't mean he arrive a minute less...thats FTL...get your calculator. The thing is dude..when you're reading the manga..you want to read and stated there that "Saiyans can travel FTL" sorry bro, DBZ is not like that....only DC gave you those kind of stuff and you're want to be spoon feed like what DC is been doing.

Shunkan Ido is not FTL...is Instant.

GT characters getting weaker??
Yeah just like in comics.. one issue, superman can move planets...next he may have hard time stopping a plane. Like what you said.. "Thats the joy of having one writer, but really so what? What does his "inconsistencies" have to do with this fight?"

Even Master Rochi destroyed the moon with his kamehame in 1 second..at that time, goku was still at his lowest power level. How much if he's SSJ3??

* Spacespods not FTL??

Space Pod definition:

This is another invention of henchmen working for Frieza and is used extensively by the Saiyans. Since very few Saiyan warriors were needed in order to cleanse a planet, there was never a need to design a ship to carry large numbers of them. This pod used incredible miniaturization technology and even though it is only 5' (1.5 m) in diameter, it houses an advanced environmental system and an incredibly fuel-efficient FTL drive. Those traveling inside the pod are kept in a state of suspended animation that minimizes the resourced needed to keep them alive.
* Crew: One humanoid, the recycling and suspended animation system is designed specifically for the species using the pod, so a captured pod would probably need modification to be used by another race.
* M.D.C. per Location:
o Pod Door - 150
o Main Body - 350
* Range: The pod has enough fuel to travel for three years without stopping, but the environmental systems needs to be replenished every six months. To replenish the environmental system, the pod can simply enter the atmosphere of a planet that would be even partially habitable to the occupant for ten minutes.
* Speed: The pod can travel at a maximum speed of 3 light-years per hour.


* About the Buu Saga...never happened watch the series again...

This is my last post on this thread... You can't change my mind..and I can't change yours.
I'm getting dizzy with this thing..we're going on circles (you said "99% light speed" a couple of times)

Still Gokou beats Superman's tight A$$

[fastwalker]

Way to ignore almost everything I said, fanboy.

Yeah they were flying outer space as well...maybe they can breath outerspace?? "few dozen times" = 24-36 times around the globe and took a nap while waiting for piccolo. doesn't mean he arrive a minute less...thats FTL...get your calculator. Smiley The thing is dude..when you're reading the manga..you want to read and stated there that "Saiyans can travel FTL" sorry bro, DBZ is not like that....only DC gave you those kind of stuff and you're want to be spoon feed like what DC is been doing

Where did you get 24-36 figure?
And how did you know he actually took a nap and was not teasing Piccolo?
And interesting that if he is FTL or lightspeed, why did it took him a minute to get to Buu's house?

GT characters getting weaker??
Yeah just like in comics.. one issue, superman can move planets...next he may have hard time stopping a plane. Like what you said.. "Thats the joy of having one writer, but really so what? What does his "inconsistencies" have to do with this fight?"

That's why I never watched GT in the first place. Their power levels are pathetic.
Also, Superman holds back his powers thats why there would by "inconsistencies" when it comes to his powers.

Even Master Rochi destroyed the moon with his kamehame in 1 second..at that time, goku was still at his lowest power level.

How did you know it was just 1 second?
Interesting that, if their KI was really that fast, how is it that their able to dodge? Or how is it that weaker characters are able to perceive the blast?

Space Pod definition:

This is another invention of henchmen working for Frieza and is used extensively by the Saiyans. Since very few Saiyan warriors were needed in order to cleanse a planet, there was never a need to design a ship to carry large numbers of them. This pod used incredible miniaturization technology and even though it is only 5' (1.5 m) in diameter, it houses an advanced environmental system and an incredibly fuel-efficient FTL drive. Those traveling inside the pod are kept in a state of suspended animation that minimizes the resourced needed to keep them alive.
* Crew: One humanoid, the recycling and suspended animation system is designed specifically for the species using the pod, so a captured pod would probably need modification to be used by another race.
* M.D.C. per Location:
o Pod Door - 150
o Main Body - 350
* Range: The pod has enough fuel to travel for three years without stopping, but the environmental systems needs to be replenished every six months. To replenish the environmental system, the pod can simply enter the atmosphere of a planet that would be even partially habitable to the occupant for ten minutes.
* Speed: The pod can travel at a maximum speed of 3 light-years per hour.

Why do I get the feeling youre just making this one up.
Source? The faster than light abbreviation destroys its credibility.

watch the series again..

tell me what chapter in the manga then.
oh wait, you cant because it NEVER HAPPENED.

This is my last post on this thread... You can't change my mind..and I can't change yours. Smiley
I'm getting dizzy with this thing..we're going on circles (you said "99% light speed" a couple of times)

How can I change the mind of a biased fanboy to begin with? Im just doing this to rebuke common misconceptions people have when it comes to Goku. And what better way than to put him in a battle with the Superman.
Yeah right, you're getting dizzy because you cant properly prove your claims, hell I bet you're making most of those things up or overhyping them.

Pathetic...Concession accepted.

[DrE]

What the hell are you doing trying to prove to djereza that superman is the winner? If he screams DBZ fanboy, clearly you are for supes too. With your facts and proofs I bet youve visited alot of vs threads and you know that it leads to nowhere fanboy vs fanboy. You present supes at his best, yet deny goku the same respect. I like supes beter than gokou by the way. I just dont see him winning. How does superman knock out gokou again? please enlighten me.

[Mabix]

geeks... :P hehehe, peace.

hahaha. lingaw ni dah. basa lng sa ko

I like superman to win but I'm looking at the impossible so my choice goes to Goku. solid ug lawas! if superman is on planet earth. Goku can tele his way to the moon(w/ protection of course) and destroy earth from there. *poof* koko crunch

[djereza]

Dre: Yeah i just don't get it bro.. i love superman also don't get me wrong..But this fastwalker guy here want to have proof with everybody knows Toriyama didn't explain the DBZ in "details". Good thing DC has 600+ issues to prove superman's power. And he's here putting all the details..word for word.

What i'm trying to prove here is that you don't have to look a statement or somewhere in manga and tells us that "Goku can faster than light"

Since he said i'm making this "space pod" definition, well his wrong. I search that on that net and found that definition..just relaying it to him..and for him its still BS. Well this fastwalker guy is some shrimp.

He doesn't think ...just read the stuff in comics.

I'm a supes and dbz fan...and for me Gokou is still stronger.

Fastwalker: you read too many comics..thats why..you don't know how to use your brain anymore..you relying too much on the comics.

Yeah Superman can breath outerspace... he can move in vaccum space... Do you think Gokou will fight him in outerspace?? Hell No! He's not that stupid. With his training...he knows his limits also (but still he wants to exceed his limts) and he can see the opponents weakness base on the opponents fighting.

So if superman and gokou square off..its going to be one hell of a battle..but still Gokou has a edge cos of his WILL to fight, his experience and his fighting skills. All superman have is invunerability and strength but his WILL of fighting is not 100%. He always holds off his powers..too boy scout, too american cowboy.

Speed?? Since you said he can fly "99.9% speed of light" and you're good in posting pix in comics...Can you show it to me where Superman is fighting in a speed of light?? Cos theirs a different between flying fast and fighting fast. Just because he can fly "99.9% light speed" doesnt' mean he can fight 99.9% light speed. Sooooo i'm begging you dude....since you're good in "word for word" thing, show it to me where in comics some opponent or whoever is saying that Superman is fighting in light speed.

Strength: Superman can destroy a planet with his punch...Well Goku can destroy a planet with his fireball. No need go to that planet and punch it. Get the point?

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gokou dyud da-ug

at first if mas kusgan si superman syempre patay dyud si gokou, pero as you all know mo a2 na siya some wer para magtriannig until mas mo kusgan na siya ni superman..

then e revive rana siya with a new dragon ball, well... kita naman dyud tah unsay mahitabo

[Mabix]

taympa, pila ka Gs ang planet krypton?
icompare daw sa training ni Gokou in Gs. ara na cguro mahibawan kung faster than light ba jud. wakokoko

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dont think mo matter na ang G's, i think kung naa pa plant krypton n ad2 sila fight... sila mga comic readers can give u the details y kinsa mas kusgan kung ad2 sila fyt

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somthing about the sun....