Are All “Christians” Christian?

[noy]

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dili....ang akong pasabot bah is unsa di ay nang Supper? Unsa di ay imo pag sabot anang supper?

kasabut ko sa point ni bai siodenz brad defender hehehe...kay intitially gi raise man nato ang concern sa pagdawat sa kalawat?kay dapat gbie ra angay mu kalaway kay gbie man to ang last supper,so i think ang pasabut ni bai siodenz is kung ing.ana naman gani,so kung ang usa ka tao magpa bunyag...adto pud sa jordan,kay si Jesus didto man gibunyagan..hehehe...
anyway going back,as what i've posted earlier...what we celebrate is Jesus giving his life for us, bread sybolizes it in the last supper...and it is not the last supper that we celebrate..

[defender_1611]

ahh...okies..hehehe...kasabut nako..i'm sorry bro but theologically nga pag answer kay di jud ko makahatag..
but sa ako lang pagsabut..dili man ang last supper maoy gi celebrate sa communion but symbolic na siya sa paghatag ni Jesus sa iyang lawas ug dugo..of which sa original time.kay gabie jud kay supper bya...
but recieving the sacrament of communion for catholics serves as a reminder that we recieve Jesus in out daily lives..
and for us it is a blessing nga maka celebrate ta ug mass any time of teh day so we get to recieve Jesus...again symbolic ra na sya bro or pag hinumdum..mao muingun ang pari nga in memory of His death he took the bread,break it and gave it to His disciples and said,take this all of you and eat it..this is my body...etc...kay basically it's not about the supper but the bread given which symbolizes Jesus' sacrifice.

so buot pasabot nga ang bread nag symbolize siya sa lawas ni Kristo and ang wine kay nag symbolize pod sa dugo ni Kristo?

[Eve's Apple Project]

no one ever said for 24/7 your occupation should only be to study the bible. I never said that, gosto lang jud nimo e exaggerate to make my statement sound unbelievable, don't do that again. Be mature pls.

when i talked about 24/7 study of the bible bai, pasabot ana, DI na kinahanglan tun-an 24/7 pa na ang bible para lang tawgon ka nga cristianos. unsaon man na nimo ang magcge og basa (OR toon) kung walay action (OR walay nakita sa action)? Tiwasa sad ang akong gisulti yaw kuha-i.

what's your point? so daghang interpretations, then? pasabot way osa nga tinood? if that's what you are suggesting, im afraid I have to say that you are wrong.

Nganong daghan man ang Versions bai? I didn't say nga walay tinood nila, but Nganong nanaghan man? clearly someone prefer one over the other right? naa jud nay Biases na nahimo maong nanaghan na. But that is besides what i said. What i said was the interpretation, managlahi jud nang atong interpretation sa bibliya kay lain2 ta og doctrina & wa pay labot ang personal nga pangisip.

you missed the point that I raised in my previous post bai. ang ponto didto if you say something pls provide your proofs so we can see if your assessment against our claim can stand under scrutiny.

i could've missed it. i could not vouch for something i didn't claim.

you are wrong,in our group we use different versions.

wow, as promised, you deserve a big round of applause.

what's wrong with that, if we say we are saved? It's in the bible, we are only reiterating the scriptures' assurance to those who follow Jesus. kong imong contract ga ingon nga imong sueldo kay 500k, what's wrong with it kong mo ingon ka nga imong sweldo kay 500k? di man na arrogante rather your just being honest sa imong sweldo.

humility? you know the bible more than i do.makita man kana na nimo didto. With your example, it doesnt follow it the logic. Being Humble is very different from than being arrogant bai. di na lisod sabton. Claiming that you are saved is ok (that's not arrogance), but kung magsugod ang og JUDGE sa ubang christian denomination aw wa na nay angay (arrogant behavior). Bro. Ely Soriano is very knowlegeable about the bible, but ngano man daghan maglagot niya? now is it a what Jesus taught real christians should do? come on?!

on your example bai: if i have 500K nga sweldo, i wouln't brag about it. i would keep it & just be on my way. Then people will start listening to what i say & learn how i made it coz they see me as an example of success. ang tae bai bisan pahumotan pa na, tae gihapon na. ang Gold, bisan hugaw-hugawan pana Gold jud gihapon na. maila na nimo ang tao nga naay maayo nga character og kadtong wala.

sure actions speak louder than words that's why we are STANDING(action word) for Jesus.

Why you are STANDING would be out of my own understanding. I dont think anyone is attacking/Mocking Jesus here. it's just your denomination's dogma vs the other. but does that mean one is correct over the other? as what has been established, no person/religion can be the judge except God. Why the need to attack other christian denomination? geez..

last time i checked, Standing & attacking (even "Defending") are not the same word.guess i'll have to wait a little longer, maybe they'll merge it soon..

[noy]

so buot pasabot nga ang bread nag symbolize siya sa lawas ni Kristo and ang wine kay nag symbolize pod sa dugo ni Kristo?

yes bro

[defender_1611]

yes bro

diba inig execute sa pari sa transubstantiation mahimo nanang literal body and blood ni Christ? So dili ba ta matawag na cannibal ana? Kay to think gikaon ang lawas ug dugo ni Christ?

[SioDenz]

so buot pasabot nga ang bread nag symbolize siya sa lawas ni Kristo and ang wine kay nag symbolize pod sa dugo ni Kristo?

Luke 22:19
19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”

- they key word here is 'do this in remembrance of me'. So it is made to remember or celebrate.

[defender_1611]

Luke 22:19
19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”

- they key word here is 'do this in remembrance of me'. So it is made to remember or celebrate.

kahibaw ko ana sio....ang akong point bah is many catholics believe na its represents body and blood of Christ.

[noy]

diba inig execute sa pari sa transubstantiation mahimo nanang literal body and blood ni Christ? So dili ba ta matawag na cannibal ana? Kay to think gikaon ang lawas ug dugo ni Christ?

let me share this link:The Last Supper, The Eucharist

Jesus' life began in Beth-Lechem...the House of Bread (Matthew 2:1). His first public miracle was at a wedding party in Cana (John 2:2-5), where He turned water into wine in response to a request by His mother. With the miracle of the multiplication of the loaves (Matthew 14:14-20), as Jesus blessed the loaves of bread and distributed them, He prefigured the superabundance of the unique bread that was to be His Eucharist. After teaching and healing the sick and working other wonders in the hills of the Galilee, Jesus had developed a wide following with many disciples. It was at the synagogue of Capernaum, at the time of the feast of Passover, that Jesus began to unfold the nature of His Eucharist to those who were following Him:

"Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, which the Son of man will give to you; for on Him has God the Father set His seal." John 6:27



When His followers asked about the nature of this eternal food, Jesus replied:

"I am the bread of life; he who comes to me shall not hunger, and he who believes in me shall never thirst." John 6:35



When they heard this remark, some of His followers began to murmur among themselves since they knew He was just a carpenter, the son of Joseph. How could this man be the bread of life? Yet Jesus persisted as He explained Himself to them:

"I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh." John 6:51



This comment brought outright consternation to a number of those who had followed Him. He was actually telling them that they had to eat His flesh, an unthinkable act. If His words were confusing or misleading them in any way, then He would have corrected their misunderstanding...but He didn't. Instead, He emphasized yet again His meaning when He said:

"Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink His blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him." John 6:53-56



Many of those who heard Jesus say this couldn't accept it despite the fact that He explained and further clarified His statements three times in attempting to address their lack of understanding and their unwillingness to accept His words. He tried again a fourth time to help them comprehend what He was saying:

"It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life." John 6:63



After saying this, many of those who had been following Him chose to stay away. He tried four times to teach them and in the end only a few accepted His teachings. Why didn't they comprehend Jesus, as many still don't comprehend Him after 2,000 years? Probably because they didn't understand that Jesus was the completion of the Passover begun in Egypt over a thousand years earlier. He was the New Covenant, the Promised One - the Messiah - but He didn't fit into the contemporary concept of what the Messiah should be. Passover was commemorated by a meal - a sharing of unleavened bread, lamb and wine - and Jesus had come to give them Himself as the ultimate Bread and Lamb, a meal to be consumed by all who wished to escape from the angel of Death.

During the ritual of the Passover meal, there were four different cups of blessing consumed along with unleavened bread and lamb. The lamb was chosen after it was slain without breaking any of its bones and then cooked and eaten to renew the bond of communion between God and His chosen people. The blood of this lamb, spread across the lintel of each household, was placed there as a sign to the angel of Death to pass over the house so marked and protect each of the first-born who were members of the household. Jesus came to complete the Passover so that all could pass over from death into eternal life. And just as the Jews at the time of Moses had to eat the unleavened bread and the sacrificial lamb to renew their communion with God, so all were being asked to eat the body and drink the blood of God's new lamb (Jesus) to renew their communion with Him and be marked with the sign of eternal life.

Jesus instituted His Eucharist at the Passover meal that was to mark His passing through death into Resurrection and everlasting life. It was in these words that Jesus inaugurated His Eucharist:

"Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, "Take, eat; this is my body." And He took the cup, and when He had given thanks He gave it to them, saying, "Drink of it, all of you; for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins." Matthew 26:26-28

sorry bro but if you would take it so literally,then that would be the thought..
as the transformation of those bread and wine given at the mass into Jesus' body and blood...
eating them does not merely mean canibalism but rather symbolizes acceptance of Christ's sacrifice for salvation..

"I am the bread of life; he who comes to me shall not hunger, and he who believes in me shall never thirst." John 6:35

[Aphiemi]

when i talked about 24/7 study of the bible bai, pasabot ana, DI na kinahanglan tun-an 24/7 pa na ang bible para lang tawgon ka nga cristianos. unsaon man na nimo ang magcge og basa (OR toon) kung walay action (OR walay nakita sa action)? Tiwasa sad ang akong gisulti yaw kuha-i.

it was your mistake in the first place. ni butt in ka then you raised the "24/7" point as your counter statement against my point were I said that if you want to assume something against US it would be nice if you guys could give us your evidence but unsaon man ninyo paghatag sa inyong evidence nga wa man mo nag toon sa bible, that's the premise.

kini nga point karon wa jud na didto sa imong previous post, basaha to og balik.

Nganong daghan man ang Versions bai? I didn't say nga walay tinood nila, but Nganong nanaghan man? clearly someone prefer one over the other right? naa jud nay Biases na nahimo maong nanaghan na. But that is besides what i said. What i said was the interpretation, managlahi jud nang atong interpretation sa bibliya kay lain2 ta og doctrina & wa pay labot ang personal nga pangisip.

ngano diay kong daghan og versions? di naman sigoro appropriate karong panahona nga mogamit ta og old english, like "thou" "thy" "shalt" so the scholars made new versions then duna pod mga versions nga gibuhat to simplify the thought behind some verses.

It's not like nga ang command nga "thou shall not lie" sa old version pagbuhat sa lain nga version gi ilisan na nahimo ng "thou shall lie" it's not like that kind of version, the thought is still there but gi usab lang ang mga phrasings, og naa py laing reason but kana lang sa kay taas taas na.

i could've missed it. i could not vouch for something i didn't claim.

you didn't say nga nay daghang versions ang bible?

humility? you know the bible more than i do.makita man kana na nimo didto. With your example, it doesnt follow it the logic. Being Humble is very different from than being arrogant bai. di na lisod sabton. Claiming that you are saved is ok (that's not arrogance), but kung magsugod ang og JUDGE sa ubang christian denomination aw wa na nay angay (arrogant behavior). Bro. Ely Soriano is very knowlegeable about the bible, but ngano man daghan maglagot niya? now is it a what Jesus taught real christians should do? come on?!

so if you think nga to claim nga SAVED mi dili na arrogante,what's your problem?

bai the bible gave us the criteria kong kinsay SAVED or DILI, and we can judge on those basis found in the bible carved for us by God. mora ra gud ng doctor ma judge nimo onsay sakit sa to tungod sa symptoms nga imong makita. so there is nothing wrong if we say nga according to the bible this guy is saved and this guy is not.

on your example bai: if i have 500K nga sweldo, i wouln't brag about it. i would keep it & just be on my way. Then people will start listening to what i say & learn how i made it coz they see me as an example of success. ang tae bai bisan pahumotan pa na, tae gihapon na. ang Gold, bisan hugaw-hugawan pana Gold jud gihapon na. maila na nimo ang tao nga naay maayo nga character og kadtong wala.

did i mention about bragging? imo ra ng tomo tomo bai. I never said nga mo brag ka. akong sulti didto nga its not wrong if you are honest to say nga 500k imong sweldo.

Why you are STANDING would be out of my own understanding. I dont think anyone is attacking/Mocking Jesus here. it's just your denomination's dogma vs the other. but does that mean one is correct over the other? as what has been established, no person/religion can be the judge except God. Why the need to attack other christian denomination? geez..

last time i checked, Standing & attacking (even "Defending") are not the same word.guess i'll have to wait a little longer, maybe they'll merge it soon..

well ingon man ka nga action speaks louder than words, that's why i said, nga we are STANDING for Jesus.

sakto ka they are different words, did i mention about attacking? imo ra jud ng huna huna bai, ayaw butangi og malisya akong gisulti ikaw ray mag suffer ana.

[Eve's Apple Project]

^^ haha, i thought that i needed to go back & read the whole thread just to see where you pointed out your discussions with the other contributors. Come to think of it, its already a dead end.even before the thread started, theres no way to reason with you guys because you are the "chosen few (you might as well be Jews)" wahaha. Pagklaro oi?! You are trying to dissect what i said but the fact is, you still are bragging or shall i say "humbly claiming" the right. Bisan unsaon pana nimo pag tago, there is till no denying. Kay kung tan awn nimo, there was nothing to defend in the first place. Like what has been discussed, who are you protesting against? Murag hinay najud kaayo ang pangisip sa tao ang kung wa di gihapon masabtan. The nature of the thread already started on the offensive, not a defensive one. on the otherhand, i should say it depends on where you stand. Right?!

On Different bible versions: nganong di man pwede iusa? Nganong gi usab man? Hunahuna-a kuno ngano?! Like what has been said also, tungod na sa biases sa managlaing religion. Why man kuno di magkasinabot ang tanan christian religion sa pag ilis sa bible ( or on your case, update to a new version)? Ngano man diay og dili ilisan, di diay pwede? Huwaaaw! So, we want the bible to evolve yet are not allowed to evolve? Common sense is not that common anymore? Wa diay gihapon ka kasabot ngano? Waaaa pag klaro oi.

You did not mention attacking but is that really hard to understand the underlying statements? Really? So whats the point of having a thread about false christians? Di diay na attack? Pag sure kuno. You may try to hide it but klaro bai, di na malalis.


About judging..come on?! Really? Hahaha.. Read what you just posted you just happen to mentioned it..whew?!


evidence : yeah, i didn't study the bible.Never claimed to study it, I just read. You seemed to have studied it, did jesus teach his disciples to be offensive? If he did, why the heck did he die in the cross in the first place? Isn't the bible about Love, Respect, obedience? Isn't religion based on obedience? Pag sure oi.


Bragging: hahaha basaha nag balik imong gisulti,basin pag masabtan na nimo imong gipangsulti..wahaha.