Are All “Christians” Christian?

[King]

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yeah i agree,'cause in a certain bible verse..you can either be blessed or question it?

like the verse in matthew 6 which tells about how we should not worry about things...
other people might find it illogical or rediculus not to worry when ought to make things turn the way we want..
while other people would take this as an invitation to trust God more..
others would say nga so magsalig nalang ka sa Ginoo...then others would say nga of course trust God but we need to work..
others would say working hard is not equal to being worried..etc2x..hahaha...so impossible jud bai king nga
walay interpretation ma involved ani...

yes there is interpretation but not in philosophical way, or ideology.

yes we can interpret or understand bible thru the bible itself. not with our own understanding

Proverb 3:5

[heliopause]

Part ... you never answered my questions . All you had are OPINIONS that are way out of context.

You can always come up with your own INTERPRETATION about the bible , I would not be amazed that you will also have yout own INTERPRETATION about the ROMAN CATHOLIC RELIGION . Hehehehe pag tsur oi ! Unless you can answer me LOGICALLY and not BIBLICALLY because you can never reconcile it . Mao gani PROTESTANT , rooted from the word PROTEST.

Protestants came out from the Roman Catholic church but there are some groups also who were Independent (baptists, etc.). Historically, Baptists were never a part of the Roman Catholic Church or the Protestant Reformation. They cannot be correctly called "protesters" or Protestants who left the Roman Church.

[Eve's Apple Project]

^^ bai, forgive me for my ignorance. Pero asa man diay gikan ang baptist? If they did not come from protestants nor RC? How can that be? They must've come from somewhere? They studied the bible, the same bible the rc & protestants use..

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Protestants came out from the Roman Catholic church but there are some groups also who were Independent (baptists, etc.). Historically, Baptists were never a part of the Roman Catholic Church or the Protestant Reformation. They cannot be correctly called "protesters" or Protestants who left the Roman Church.

Logically they are PROTESTERS and not necessarily PROTESTANTS . Mao bitaw di ma reconcile because of different stand and interpretation.

You know why ? If there is no such thing then there would only be ROMAN CATHOLICISM and that is just it. Christians would not even exist by word but Christianity lang under one roof.

But since naa daghan interpretations sa bible and scriptures , dili ma afford sa denomination to give in without a fight since religion is a business also. Agree ?

@NOY ...

Then it would be useless to interact and exchange of ideas when one cant and will never reconcile with the other . Mao man gud na ang keyword , RECONCILIATION . Agreeing on beliefs , traditions and dogma's.

[heliopause]

^^ bai, forgive me for my ignorance. Pero asa man diay gikan ang baptist? If they did not come from protestants nor RC? How can that be? They must've come from somewhere? They studied the bible, the same bible the rc & protestants use..

Before the Roman Church was formed, there already exists christians in various places. Not all pre-roman Christians joined Emperor Constantine.

Historians disagree as to whether or not Constantine actually became a Christian. His character certainly did not reflect the teachings of Jesus Christ. Constantine was vain, violent, and superstitious. His combination of worshiping the Christian God and the old Roman sun god may have been an attempt to cover all the bases.

Constantine had little if any respect for human life. He was known for wholesale slaughter during his military campaigns. He forced prisoners of war to fight for their lives against wild beasts. He had several family members (including his second wife) executed for doubtful reasons. Constantine waited until he was dying before he asked to be baptized. Historians disagree as to whether or not he actually was baptized.

[heliopause]

Logically they are PROTESTERS and not necessarily PROTESTANTS . Mao bitaw di ma reconcile because of different stand and interpretation.

why would they protests if they do not belong to the organization?
maybe this link would help us understand its origins.......Baptist History - A Brief Survey Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches - What they are and What is their History

You know why ? If there is no such thing then there would only be ROMAN CATHOLICISM and that is just it. Christians would not even exist by word but Christianity lang under one roof.

I dont think so. Christians will prevail even without Emperor Constantine coz it was the Spirit of God who moves the heart of men.

But since naa daghan interpretations sa bible and scriptures , dili ma afford sa denomination to give in without a fight since religion is a business also. Agree ?

I agree sa uban gihimong negosyo ug atong maila kung kinsa ni sila by their fruits. Kita mismo makasabot kung pangwarta lang ni ilaha or tinud anay nga nagbuhat/nagsubay sa kamatuoran.

[Eve's Apple Project]

Before the Roman Church was formed, there already exists christians in various places. Not all pre-roman Christians joined Emperor Constantine.

If so bai, how was it possible nga parehas man tag bible? So the rc followed the babtist? Or a better question is who compiled the bible we are using today? Coz sa akong nasabtan, who ever started it came in first then the protestants/protesters sprung out? I always thought that babtists are Evangelicals..i guess i am wrong?

[King]

I agree sa uban gihimong negosyo ug atong maila kung kinsa ni sila by their fruits. Kita mismo makasabot kung pangwarta lang ni ilaha or tinud anay nga nagbuhat/nagsubay sa kamatuoran.

agree ko ani kay ang true christian will bear fine fruits. so dili christian kung ang fruits kay rotten.

[Eve's Apple Project]

I agree sa uban gihimong negosyo ug atong maila kung kinsa ni sila by their fruits. Kita mismo makasabot kung pangwarta lang ni ilaha or tinud anay nga nagbuhat/nagsubay sa kamatuoran.

I think springfields explaination is more logical. If fruits ang basi-an bai, i doubt mao makita na nimo ang tinood nga church. The church has the late mOther theresa for catholics, & lots of examples. Gawad kalinga si from the rc but they also build houses for our muslim brothers. Fransican fathers have a vow of poverty & simplicity. Pero bisan ingon ana pa bai, why man wa man naminos ang gidaghanon sa protestants?

That is why i believe business jud gihapon ang religion bai (unfortunately but that is the likely truth).

[King]

If so bai, how was it possible nga parehas man tag bible? So the rc followed the babtist? Or a better question is who compiled the bible we are using today? Coz sa akong nasabtan, who ever started it came in first then the protestants/protesters sprung out? I always thought that babtists are Evangelicals..i guess i am wrong?

sa akua nasabtan in following text not all started will be the first since Jesus said in the vineyard illustration the once invited to work in the vineyard the last one is the one first rewarded with the coin. the symbolical coin are already being use right now, most of them don't have that coin. the others are keep complaining for they didn't get more than what the last one receive.

MATTHEW 19:30-20:16
““But many that are first will be last and the last first.
20 “For the kingdom of the heavens is like a man, a householder, who went out early in the morning to hire workers for his vineyard. 2*When he had agreed with the workers for a de·nar′i·us a day, he sent them forth into his vineyard. 3*Going out also about the third hour, he saw others standing unemployed in the marketplace; 4*and to those he said, ‘YOU also, go into the vineyard, and whatever is just I will give YOU.’ 5*So off they went. Again he went out about the sixth and the ninth hour and did likewise. 6*Finally, about the eleventh hour he went out and found others standing, and he said to them, ‘Why have YOU been standing here all day unemployed?’ 7*They said to him, ‘Because nobody has hired us.’ He said to them, ‘YOU too go into the vineyard.’ 8*“When it became evening, the master of the vineyard said to his man in charge, ‘Call the workers and pay them their wages, proceeding from the last to the first.’ 9*When the eleventh-hour men came, they each received a de·nar′i·us. 10*So, when the first came, they concluded they would receive more; but they also received pay at the rate of a de·nar′i·us. 11*On receiving it they began to murmur against the householder 12*and said, ‘These last put in one hour’s work; still you made them equal to us who bore the burden of the day and the burning heat!’ 13*But in reply to one of them he said, ‘Fellow, I do you no wrong. You agreed with me for a de·nar′i·us, did you not? 14*Take what is yours and go. I want to give to this last one the same as to you. 15*Is it not lawful for me to do what I want with my own things? Or is your eye wicked because I am good?’ 16*In this way the last ones will be first, and the first ones last.””