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    Quote Originally Posted by noy View Post
    well to answer the fist question,is yes, i am a true Christian as i can only speak on my behalf,not for other Christians..i said yes 'cause whenever i look down and think less of my faith..it is an insult to the Spirit that gives me the strength and the power to overcome this world.after all, it is the same spirit that rose Jesus from the dead.
    am i perfect? of course NOT.far from it actually.so that would also mean that my answer to the following questions would not be neither be Yes or No, but not yet..in time..hehehe...but one thing is for sure, the grace of my Lord has already been given and my part is to reach for it.am i saved? salvation has been given to me when Jesus found me,but my job is to take care of that gift until the end.and my only prayer is that Jesus is glorified in everything i do..
    1 Corinthians 4:1-5(King James Version)
    4 Let a man so consider us, as servants of Christ and stewards of the mysteries of God. 2 Moreover it is required in stewards that one be found faithful. 3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you or by a human court. In fact, I do not even judge myself. 4 For I know of nothing against myself, yet I am not justified by this; but He who judges me is the Lord. 5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness and reveal the counsels of the hearts. Then each one’s praise will come from God.

    1 Corinthians 4:1-5(New International Version)
    4 This, then, is how you ought to regard us: as servants of Christ and as those entrusted with the mysteries God has revealed. 2 Now it is required that those who have been given a trust must prove faithful. 3 I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. 4 My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me. 5 Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of people’s hearts. At that time each will receive their praise from God.


    Saying YES I AM A TRUE CHRISTIAN because i Do this and i Did that... is the Very Opposite of what apostle Paul believed and said to the early Christians.
    Last edited by SioDenz; 06-28-2012 at 05:38 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aphiemi View Post
    I call myself Christian by choice not by birth. I know daghan sa atoa diri nga pagkatao nato wa tay choice sa atong religion so pagka dako nato napogos ta og sunod sa tradition sa atong katiguwangan, and we never question it kay mao lagi gi tudlo ni papa og mama.

    was there a time sa imong kinabuhi nga imo gi surrender imong kinabuhi sa Ginoo and you asked for forgiveness sa tanan nimo nga sala and at that time you fully understood why Jesus came to die for our sins?

    and because you understood it you gave up your life to Jesus and you started to follow him with your whole heart and changes took place in your life, meaning di na ka ganahan magpakasala and all you want is to serve Him and you said to yourself "Jesus is my Lord and Savior".

    kong na experienced na ninyo then that's the start of your Christian life.
    Again, IGO NASAD SA "1 Corinthians 4:1-5"

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    Quote Originally Posted by SioDenz View Post
    1 Corinthians 4:1-5(King James Version)
    4 Let a man so consider us, as servants of Christ and stewards of the mysteries of God. 2 Moreover it is required in stewards that one be found faithful. 3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you or by a human court. In fact, I do not even judge myself. 4 For I know of nothing against myself, yet I am not justified by this; but He who judges me is the Lord. 5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness and reveal the counsels of the hearts. Then each one’s praise will come from God.

    1 Corinthians 4:1-5(New International Version)
    4 This, then, is how you ought to regard us: as servants of Christ and as those entrusted with the mysteries God has revealed. 2 Now it is required that those who have been given a trust must prove faithful. 3 I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. 4 My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me. 5 Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of people’s hearts. At that time each will receive their praise from God.


    Saying YES I AM A TRUE CHRISTIAN because i Do this and i Did that... is the Very Opposite of what apostle Paul believed and said to the early Christians.
    what the apostle paul say is true...however it would be a lie if i say i'm not..
    not a perfect Christian of course, but Jesus is my Lord and no other..hence i call myself a true Christian..that's how i would present myself but that doesn't mean i judge myself as one..of course only God can...
    it's like you claim to be a true friend to somone you know, but only that person would know if he thinks of you mutually...

    and i did not say i'm a true christian 'cause of the things i've done..what did i do?
    the only thing i did is accepted Jesus..it's all about Him...i call myself a Christian 'cause He died for us on teh cross..
    Last edited by noy; 06-28-2012 at 05:51 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SioDenz View Post
    1 Corinthians 4:1-5(King James Version)
    4 Let a man so consider us, as servants of Christ and stewards of the mysteries of God. 2 Moreover it is required in stewards that one be found faithful. 3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you or by a human court. In fact, I do not even judge myself. 4 For I know of nothing against myself, yet I am not justified by this; but He who judges me is the Lord. 5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness and reveal the counsels of the hearts. Then each one’s praise will come from God.

    1 Corinthians 4:1-5(New International Version)
    4 This, then, is how you ought to regard us: as servants of Christ and as those entrusted with the mysteries God has revealed. 2 Now it is required that those who have been given a trust must prove faithful. 3 I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. 4 My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me. 5 Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of people’s hearts. At that time each will receive their praise from God.
    the issue of what apostle Paul here is about proving oneself to be righteous not about true Christian. Cause some Corinthians questions the apostleship of Paul at that time but as he said above text you quoted, he didn't judge himself as worthy or righteous but he totally rely on judgement of God as his Examiner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SioDenz View Post
    Again, IGO NASAD SA "1 Corinthians 4:1-5"
    ang 1Cor. 4:1-5 the exegesis of this particular passage of scripture runs around Paul's defense of his Apostleship not verses to gauge if one should call himself or herself a Christian or not.

    at that time doubts of Paul's apostleship were drawn among the Christians in Corinth, in response Paul penned these words found in 1Cor 4:1-5 as his statement in defense to his office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aphiemi View Post
    in this case it means biblically grounded.
    How can you be so certain if a particular teaching/doctrine is really based on the Bible when in fact that ancient book (and other religious books as well) is open to almost x number of interpretations.. And each one is claiming to have the truth in them..

    -This explains the reason why there are thousands of different Christian denominations and why there are hardcore Islamic fundamentalist states and the more liberal-modern Islamic teachings.

    -I'm not Catholic but this could be one of the reasons why the Vatican declared that Church Tradition is equal in authority with the Scriptures so as to have unity in belief and minimize if not prevent individual interpretations of the Bible.

    -It is the reason why there are people give up their lives by being suicide bombers, suicide planes crashed into buildings, or do mass suicide with church members because they truly believe that interpretation of their religious book.

    -It is the reason why people don't agree on the divinity of Jesus Christ, as well as the concept of Oneness, Jesus Only Teaching, and the Blessed Holy Trinity. Each has their own interpretation.

    -It is the reason why some hold their church service on Saturday, others on Sunday.

    -Martin Luther, Jacob Arminius, John Calvin, John Wesley, Charles Spurgeon, Dwight Moody, Albert Benjamin Simpson, Oral Roberts, Billy Graham, Pat Robertson, Benny Hinn, Joel Osteen, etc..

    - William Miller & Ellen G. White, Charles Taze Russell, Joseph Smith, etc..

    - Felix Y. Manalo, Gregorio Aglipay, and Eli Soriano. Arsenio Ferriol, Wilde Almeda, and Bro Eddie Villanueva.

    - Apollo C. Giboloy

    the list goes on and on..

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    Mangutana lang ko ha!

    Ngano man ning uban mga Christians except sa mga Roman Catholics kon pangutan-on unsa sila nga denomination DILI mo-klaro ug tubag ingnon lang ka nga Christian sila, naa pud uban mo-ingon Non-Denomination unya naa pud mo-ingon basaha lang na sa Book of _________ chapter ? verse? mao na amo pundok.

    NGANO kaha?

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    kana maoy pangutana nga nagtangag ug dakong tubag..hahaha

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    makaila ka sa kahoy pinaagi sa bunga, you can determined Christians or carnal Christians by thier works and deeds

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    Biblically grounded (in a sense that you can see the verse in the Bible) , but depende pud sa imong PERSONAL INTERPRETATION.

    That is why (protestant) Christianity has splintered to at least 30,000 denominations/sects/cults and each of them will NEVER agree at ALL points in the Bible -- taking note na usa ra ka Bible ang ila basis.

    The Holy Spirit must be confused then.

    And the splintering will never end, as 7 entirely different sects /cults are being formed each week.

    Example: on the topic of abortion, "Christians" will have different answers/reactions and each of them will base their answers according to their sect's teaching.

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