SPIRITUALITY IS NOT RELIGION...

[rcruman]

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Songs/Psalms are poet with tune and music.

Peace!

[Sinyalan]

This is the difference with us, you don't know a certain thing then yet you've concluded already.
The original bible or the bible wrote by apostle don't have verses and chapter before.
It was just made by a Catholic priest so that it can be easily located and remembered.
Conclusions? I have not concluded anything yet... that's what you think.

How many times the bible had been revised? answer me that simple question... do you think that during revisions, there were no misspelled, ommissions, changed or even ripped bcause it was necessary for the readers? Do you know who translated all the bibles in the first place? Roman Catholics for crying out loud... meaning to say brod, the book that you're reading was made by Catholics... protestants even uses the same bible as catholics... so, answer me that question... no verses... let me see if you really understand what you have read.


Poetic are rhymed, thus the bible?
King james version are translated word for word that's why it seems out of grammar.
So kinsay nauna shakespeare or bible?
Don't you consider that shakespeare inspired by the bible the way he wrote his sonnets?

Ironside gave you the answers brod, and you still don't see the point...

[Sinyalan]

Songs/Psalms are poet with tune and music.

Are pslams not in the bible?

[Ironside]

Poetic are rhymed, thus the bible?
King james version are translated word for word that's why it seems out of grammar.
So kinsay nauna shakespeare or bible?
Don't you consider that shakespeare inspired by the bible the way he wrote his sonnets?





a poem doesn't have to be rhymed to be poetic. Hebrew poems are not rhymed. They are not concerned about rhyming. They parallel lines.


Parallelism in Hebrew Writing
Dennis Bratcher


A common literary feature of Hebrew poetry in the Old Testament is called parallelism, in which the words of two or more lines of text are directly related in some way. This feature can be found in any poetic passage, and sometimes even in narrative, although it is more common in the Psalms and Proverbs.

Recognizing parallelism as a poetic feature can sometimes aid in understanding or interpreting a passage. For example, the use of parallelism usually means that the message of the text is in the larger passage and its overall point or impact rather than individual words or single lines. Also, specific words that may be ambiguous or used in unusual ways can be clarified or more narrowly defined by seeing them in the context of a parallel structure.

The following types of parallel structure are attempts to organize this feature of Hebrew poetic writing as an aid to reading and study. It should be kept in mind that Old Testament writers were very creative, and a great number of variations and combinations of these basic types occur in the biblical text.

I. Synonymous-the second line repeats the first in different words having the same meaning.
Psalm 19:1-2The heavens are telling the glory of God;
and the firmament proclaims his handiwork.
}
Synonymous

Day to day pours forth speech,
and night to night declares knowledge.
}
Synonymous



II. Synthetic- the second line (or following lines) adds to the first
Psalm 24:3-4

Who shall ascend the hill of the LORD?
And who shall stand in his holy place?



He who has clean hands and a pure heart,
who does not lift up his soul to what is false,
and does not swear deceitfully.
}
Synthetic


III. Antithetic- the second line contrasts with the first.
Psalm 73:26

My flesh and my heart may fail,



but God is the strength of my heart
and my portion for ever.
}
Antithetic


IV. Climactic- successive lines build to a climax or summary.
Habakkuk 3:17-18

Though the fig trees do not blossom,
nor fruit be on the vines,
the produce of the olive fail
and the fields yield no food,
the flock be cut off from the fold
and there be no herd in the stalls,
}
Building

Yet I will rejoice in the LORD
I will joy in the God of my salvation.
GOD, the Lord, is my strength;
}
Climax/Summary


V. Eclectic- combination of different types interwoven.
Habakkuk 1:2

O Lord, how long shall I cry for help,
and you will not hear
} Synthetic
}
Synonymous

Or cry to you "Violence!"
and you will not save?
} Synthetic


Another feature that is sometimes included within the idea of parallelism is the use of several words or a series of words to refer to the same thing for emphasis. For example, the well known passage of Deuteronomy 6:5 uses a series of three words: "You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might." Here the terms heart, soul, and might do not refer to separate parts of a person, but are actually synonymous, referring simply to the person (see Body and Soul: Greek and Hebraic Tensions in Scripture). This also exhibits another poetic feature of Hebrew literature in which references to a single part of something represents the whole (e.g., "from Dan to Beersheba, " 1 Sam 3:20, means the whole country of Israel, from north to south). Here the emphasis is clearly on loving God totally and fully.

[angelphoenix]

I agree that RELIGION is waaaayyyy and completely different from SPIRITUALITY. Honestly, I'd rather be spiritual than religious (though I am into Buddhism now).

Religions can be sometimes be too constricting and too defining, when that is not completely possible. We're all different. And though we may have similar needs and wants, our ways of approaching and attaining them can be totally different. Religion tries to give us ONE WAY to attaining this so-called salvation. Deviants of that way are condemned, ostracized, persecuted. Why does it have to be like that?!?

In my own terms, being spiritual is seeking the higher being/ the divine in one's own way. It's more personal and meaningful. That's how it is for me, anyway. I don't really know if there really is this salvation everyone is hoping for. But I'm not scared of not getting it because I don't follow a religion or whatnot. If I can find my image of that higher being, and I'm not hurting anyone, then it's all good.

Peace out! /gawi

[Sinyalan]

One of the things that defines religion is, to be with a group. If you're in a religion then people would ask, "unsa imong relihiyon...?" That's something overrated issue or question. As if you're labeled or trademarked as one of the group or club. I agree with you angelphoenix, and in addition... one has to make it clear that when you choose to be spiritual, try to be religious with it.

[angelphoenix]

I agree with you angelphoenix, and in addition... one has to make it clear that when you choose to be spiritual, try to be religious with it.

hmmm... never thought of it that way.... i guess that would be kinda like being an individual in your search for the Divine rather than being like everyone else in that religion?.... is that what you meant by your statement about being religious with your spirituality?

[geoseph]

blind obedience is good, labi na kung sundalo ka. you dont question orders, the moment you question, you jeopardize the mission ika nga nila. kung sa faith basihan, its a double edge sword, one thing, if your doing great, like living a clean life, iwas gulo, loving and good will and stuff well good for you.
the sad part, blind obedience can turn people like us to good soldiers/good holy warriors/ maybe even suicide bombers. im talking about what your religion, not your spirituality, might do to you.

lastly, blind obedience affects your spirituality...you see things only one way...the way they want you to see.

:mrgreen:

[isaiah53]

yep i agree that religion and spirituality are two different things, and it directs us to two different paths. Religion is a group of people, a congregation, that shares a common belief, tradition, culture, and ways of life. The customs are predefined, and most often people are unaware why they are doing it. They just feel obliged to do so, thus the term "blind obedience" applies.

On the other hand, Spirituality deals with the relationship between man and God. It is the constant search for the truth about God and His purposes on our lives. Spirituality doesn't just obey, but knows the reason behind the law. It is the foundation by which religion is built upon, and should not be the other way around. Spirituality is not religion. Rather, religion is based on spirituality.

It is spirituality that makes people gather together as a Church. It is religion that makes people go to Church. (as qouted in one of my posts in another thread.)

Just a personal thought.

[Hellblazer 2.1]

spirituality is not a religion. i think it's much better to say, religion is not spirituality.