r u sure ur save....?

[Ironside]

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IN what verse in the bible can we read that eternal life is given already?



1Jo 5:11 And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.

"GIVEN us eternal life" "given" past tense. It was done already.


1Jo 5:12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.


He who has the Son HAS THE LIFE.....what life? Eternal life spoken in verse 11.


If the Lord Jesus Christ is IN me then I have eternal life.

Has the Lord Jesus Christ indwelt the sinner who trust in Him alone for salvation? Yes



Col 1:27 To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

..............Christ IN you, the hope of glory..............

[rcruman]

1Jo 5:11 And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.
1Jo 5:12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
He who has the Son HAS THE LIFE.....what life? Eternal life spoken in verse 11.

the verses 1 John 5:11-12, is it happened already or will just happen?
Thus these verses you've qouted is present, past or future?

Peace!

[Ironside]

the verses 1 John 5:11-12, is it happened already or will just happen?
Thus these verses you've qouted is present, past or future?



notice the words in red:

1Jo 5:11 And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.

" HAS GIVEN us eternal life" " has given" past tense. It was done already.


1Jo 5:12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.






He who has the Son HAS THE LIFE.....what life? Eternal life spoken in verse 11.



11. At ito ang patotoo, na tayo'y binigyan ng Dios ng buhay na walang hanggan, at ang buhay na ito ay nasa kaniyang Anak.


12. Ang kinaroroonan ng Anak ay kinaroroonan ng buhay; ang hindi kinaroroonan ng Anak ng Dios ay hindi kinaroroonan ng buhay.

[rcruman]

"HAS" LIFE------------past tense.
You're right its past tense.

Why wont you read the top verses:
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

It was past tense because it was in heaven when Jesus Christ came and get the rigtheous.
Eternal life will be given when Jesus Came back.
That's why it will not perish because we are like angels on that time.

Salvation from sins is the first step when we accept Christ and let Christ live on us.
But if we stop doing his words then we will be astray.

That is why on Hebrew 6:4-6, those are people who are enlightened by Christ but separated.
But for you, you've interpreted if professing Christians (don't interpret).

PEace!

[Ironside]

You're right its past tense.

Why wont you read the top verses:
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

It was past tense because it was in heaven when Jesus Christ came and get the rigtheous.
Eternal life will be given when Jesus Came back.
That's why it will not perish because we are like angels on that time.



the verse does not talk about second coming. There are three that bears witness IN HEAVEN. That doesnt mean that since the words "In heaven" are written that the verse is talking about the Second Coming.

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.


1Jo 5:13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.

JOHN WAS WRITING TO CHRISTIANS HERE ON EARTH, AND HE WROTE TO THEM TELLING THEM THAT THEY HAVE ETERNAL LIFE.


A Christian reading this letter way back the first century would not be wrong when he says to his fellow Christian: "Brother I have eternal life now.........look John says it himself"

His brother would then asked: "How do you know?"

He would then reply: Look it's here

'These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life'


"HAVE" is present tense.............God has given them eternal life way back in time when they trusted in Christ alone for salvation.......And so at the moment of reading the letter........John said: YOU HAVE ETERNAL LIFE.

[rcruman]

My next quetion my friend, when will be this record will be known or be opened?

Peace!

[Ironside]

1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

"Record" there just means witness or testimony. It is not what you have in mind.


That verse up there is in KJV.......KIng James version english is Victorian......old english.......and so the NEW KING JAMES VERSION TO keep up with the times translated it:



7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.


The Greek word there is 'martureo'.......it means testimony, witness. Here is from a Greek dictionary;

from 3144; to be a witness, i.e. testify (literally or figuratively):--charge, give (evidence), bear record, have (obtain, of) good (honest) report, be well reported of, testify, give (have) testimony, (be, bear, give, obtain) witness.


It is not a written record that you have in mind. that's why if you continue reading the verses you will encounter its synonyms like the words 'witness' , "testified" and 'testimony' number of times.

notice:

1Jo 5:8 And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.

1Jo 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is the witness of God which He has testified of His Son.

1Jo 5:10 He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; he who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed the testimony that God has given of His Son.


1Jo 5:11 And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.



It does not need to be opened, no, it has to be believed. if not you are making God a liar. since what God says or testifies or witnesses about His Son is true.

1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. KJV



here's the NEW KING JAMES VERSION

1Jo 5:10 He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; he who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed the testimony that God has given of His Son.

[rcruman]

That's why when will this record be known or be opened?

because when witness is used it follows a judgment or trial, right?
7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. TItus 3:7.


Peace!

[Ironside]

BAI MAG BINISAYA NALANG KO BAY.

KWAN BAY BASAHA OG BALIK AKONG GISUWAT BAI SA TAAS...... SLOWLY AND CAREFULLY.

USAHAY, MAKAWAGTANG OG GANA MO TUBAG NIMO. USAHAY KAPOY KAAYO,,,,IKAW MOY MOLOKOT SA VERSE BY NOT READING IN CONTEXT. AKO MOY TIG BUBUD.


HERE BAI BASAHA BALIK BAI:


1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

"Record" there just means witness or testimony. It is not what you have in mind.


That verse up there is in KJV.......KIng James version english is Victorian......old english.......and so the NEW KING JAMES VERSION TO keep up with the times translated it:



7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.


The Greek word there is 'martureo'.......it means testimony, witness. Here is from a Greek dictionary;

from 3144; to be a witness, i.e. testify (literally or figuratively):--charge, give (evidence), bear record, have (obtain, of) good (honest) report, be well reported of, testify, give (have) testimony, (be, bear, give, obtain) witness.


It is not a written record that you have in mind. that's why if you continue reading the verses you will encounter its synonyms like the words 'witness' , "testified" and 'testimony' number of times.

notice:

1Jo 5:8 And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.

1Jo 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is the witness of God which He has testified of His Son.

1Jo 5:10 He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; he who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed the testimony that God has given of His Son.


1Jo 5:11 And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.



It does not need to be opened, no, it has to be believed. if not you are making God a liar. since what God says or testifies or witnesses about His Son is true.

1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. KJV



here's the NEW KING JAMES VERSION

1Jo 5:10 He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; he who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed the testimony that God has given of His Son.

[rcruman]

Kalma lang bai.

Ang kinabuhing walay katapusan bay kay sa bagong langit o jerusalem makab-ot o mabaton.
Kay kung karon nana kay kinabuhing walay katapusan karon, dili naka mamatay?

Peace!