Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

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@ TSUNADE ...

No need to reply in GIANT FONTS .

Edit your post since mabasa ra man gihapon na .

[genesis11]

SO, my questions for you is, do God need someone to die to save for you? In that sense, your god is a powerless god he has no power to forgive, not merciful god to his creatures?

WHERE is the logic in that concept of atonement if you believed your god is Great, Good, Loving, All-powerful and so on....

Naka ingon ka ani kay wala ka kaila sa Gino-o nga tino-od.

Ang One Trinity GOD <- Being Unlimited naa siya dili ma buhat. (He can not be limited).


Few list Ang Di Mabuhat Sa Gino-o.

1. God Can Not Sin.

2. God Can Not Lie.

3. God Can Not make a stone that He Can NOT lift.

4. God is A Holy and Just God. He Is Perfect. So, He Can Not accept Anyone That Is Not Perfect.



So Men are Unholy, Unrighteous, Sinners, All have Sinned against God. - Romans 3:23

So God Being Just.. God Needs to Justify Sinners. No Sinner Can Justify Himself before God Because they are UNHOLY.

Only Way for God to Justify Sinners is to offer His Own Holy and Perfect Beloved Son.

When HE hung on that Tree, HE Bore our Sins. To Purify us and make us perfect in the Eyes of God.

In Return of Salvation, True Christians offer their BODIES as a LIVING Sacrifice(Romans 12:1).

We Repent of our Sins, Believe and Trust The Only Way to God is Through Yahushua Jesus Christ God Himself.

[genesis11]

^^^ Instead of us suffering the punishment, Christ suffered it in behalf of us.

[genesis11]

Faith + nothing = Salvation bro....

Sola Fide!

[genesis11]

Naa tinuod ka faith but your work or deeds are stupid then dili gyud ka ma save

Bro.. tabla ra ka ni ingon nga, you are Black but you are White.

Kung stupid imong deeds or wala kay works, it just confirms nga WALA gyd kay TRUE nga faith.

Kay after TRUE Faith, Works comes in automatically kung naa pakay chance para ma buhat nimo ang works.

[THE KID]

^^^ Instead of us suffering the punishment, Christ suffered it in behalf of us.

i thought the reason was political.......

[thanatos]

wee need to worrk for it

[Kenshiro]

If people are good only because they fear punishment and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed.

by: A. Einstein

So we can rape, murder, and steal without any fear of the consequences.
Even your utopian world is more defective than our current world. Kids these days.

[backfire]

SO, my questions for you is, do God need someone to die to save for you? In that sense, your god is a powerless god he has no power to forgive, not merciful god to his creatures?

WHERE is the logic in that concept of atonement if you believed your god is Great, Good, Loving, All-powerful and so on....

Think of the cross of Jesus Christ. You cannot see yourself how wretched and wicked you are until you know the message of His death.

Is your God compassionate? maybe its time to re-examine your belief.

[ketllac]

@genesis

Kung stupid imong deeds or wala kay works, it just confirms nga WALA gyd kay TRUE nga faith.Kay after TRUE Faith, Works comes in automatically kung naa pakay chance para ma buhat nimo ang works.

let us analyze those statements above..

tan awa ang molabas nga mga premises below;

* it means that true faith needs good work to be qualified as such..
* it means that if a person doesn't live a christian way of life cannot be qualified as having a true faith in the first place.
* there is only one effect of a true faith and that is good work since it comes automatically from it. A follows b but not interchangeable..
* both are somehow "mutually inclusive" where faith is the cause and good work is the effect.
* The cause can't be qualified as such unless there is effect since good works automatically comes from faith.

therefore "faith alone" is illogical since the said doctrine is incompatible to the idea of a "true faith" as similar to the idea of cause-effect principle (causality).


ang sure lang ani nga doctrine , kay faith should be ang mag una but doesn't mean alone coz the definition is not mutually exclusive between faith and goodworks......both are defined because of its interdependency...


NOw, why removing good works out of the equation? or why it has to be called faith alone?