If Operation Barbarossa wasn't launched, Would've Nazi Germany won WWII?

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hehe.. karon ra ko kita ani dah... nana man halos mga tubag... hehe

palahi ko.. if wla lang unta ge involve ang US sa gubat. Dako jud chance madaog sila. Ka surrenderon na baya ang ang Britain.

Ang US adtong panahona nangita pd sila ug paagi nga maapil gyud sa war, mao to ila gipiit ug maayo ang japan para maoy mo atake nila.. nya ad2ng panahona down kaayo ang economy sa US..aron mo mosaka ni kinahanglan sila mo apil sa gera, ky mas maka kwarta ang US sa gera..

naay conversation si roosevelt ug kad2 iya secretary of war si stimson nga nagkanayon. note november 25,1941 ni nga conversation.

"The question was how should we maneuver them into firing the first shot.. it was desirable to make sure the japanese be the ones to do this so that there should remain no doubt as to who the aggressors"

so kini pa lang daan klaro na nga giplano sa US nga gusto gyud sila maapil..

before sa pearl harbour naka receive na daan si Roosevelt ug warning sa australia about sa Japanese attack pero gi ignore ra ni Roosevelt ky gusto cya nga maapil gyud sila sa gera..

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hehe.. karon ra ko kita ani dah... nana man halos mga tubag... hehe

palahi ko.. if wla lang unta ge involve ang US sa gubat. Dako jud chance madaog sila. Ka surrenderon na baya ang ang Britain.

Let's say everything transpired as it was (Germany commencing Barbarossa, Stalin stopping them in their tracks at Stalingrad and Kursk) except, the Roosevelt did not heed Churchill's advice and opted not to get in the fray in the European campaign. I'd say the Soviets would still beat the Nazis, though much later than May 1945, and at a costlier price for the Soviets. This would also allow the Soviets to march into Central Europe unopposed. D-Day in Normandy was pretty much the operation that, incidentally or deliberately, spared Central and Western Europe from USSR domination. I think Churchill knew that the Red Army would eventually rout the Wehrmacht, so (being a staunch opponent of the Soviets, despite being allies) he tried to get the U.S. into mainland Europe and prevent the Red Army from advancing past the Elbe.

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Ang US adtong panahona nangita pd sila ug paagi nga maapil gyud sa war, mao to ila gipiit ug maayo ang japan para maoy mo atake nila.. nya ad2ng panahona down kaayo ang economy sa US..aron mo mosaka ni kinahanglan sila mo apil sa gera, ky mas maka kwarta ang US sa gera..

naay conversation si roosevelt ug kad2 iya secretary of war si stimson nga nagkanayon. note november 25,1941 ni nga conversation.

"The question was how should we maneuver them into firing the first shot.. it was desirable to make sure the japanese be the ones to do this so that there should remain no doubt as to who the aggressors"

so kini pa lang daan klaro na nga giplano sa US nga gusto gyud sila maapil..

before sa pearl harbour naka receive na daan si Roosevelt ug warning sa australia about sa Japanese attack pero gi ignore ra ni Roosevelt ky gusto cya nga maapil gyud sila sa gera..

I don't really buy into that whole Pearl Harbor advance knowledge conspiracy. For one thing, the planes in Pearl Harbor were clustered up together, and that caused maximum losses of aircraft. If there was advanced knowledge, why would higher Naval echelon allow planes to cluster up like that if they knew Pearl Harbor would be attacked when all they needed was provocation. I mean whether the Japanese destroyed 200 grounded aircraft vs 100 aircraft, it's still an attack. Why would the Americans put themselves in a situation to lose more aircraft than they needed to. Second, assertion is, the Japanese had also made other encrypted transmissions that they would attack Wake, the Philippine Garrison, Dutch East Indies--there are plenty of targets that were more plausible to be attacked by the IJN and IJA. So the Americans knew that Japan was going to do something big, they just flat-out did not expect it in Pearl Harbor where the water is too shallow for conventional torpedoes. Third, German U-boats have been attacking neutral American ships (delivering Lend-Lease materials to Britain and USSR) and truth be told, American anti-war sentiments were on a decline because of this.

At this point, Aircraft carriers had not proven its significance in naval warfare, and Battleships were prized. I don't know how FDR or any of the upper military echelons would risk to sacrifice their entire Pacific fleet (with 8 battleships) for a provocation of war. My assertion is that the U.S. knew they had to, and wanted to, get in the war, but I'm not convinced in the revisionist theory that FDR knew ahead of time about the attack of Pearl Harbor.

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If Operation Barbarossa wasn't launched, Would've Nazi Germany won WWII?

true but even if the Operation Barbarossa wasnt launched, the Nazi will still Bow its knees to the Allied Force. Its because of the Nuclear Bomb. The Allied Force hesitate to drop bombs in Europe for the reason of destruction of important Infrastructural but the Allied Forces will never hold back to drop bombs if its the only way to win the WWII.

[Deadstring67]

even if the nazis didnt do the operation barbossa, the war would still end in 1945. why? because the united states was able to make the A-bomb. but i had a very old reader's digest book at home saying that germany was ahead than the US of its research in splitting the atom. einstien warned the US that the nazis were researching on splitting the atom and their progress was good. their only problem was the heavy water which is very hard to produce. it was hampered by the sabotage of british commandos that destroyed the dams that produces their heavy water thus hitler abandoned their atom bomb research

tan awa ni nga movie

Heroes of Telemark

[Deadstring67]

Ang US adtong panahona nangita pd sila ug paagi nga maapil gyud sa war, mao to ila gipiit ug maayo ang japan para maoy mo atake nila.. nya ad2ng panahona down kaayo ang economy sa US..aron mo mosaka ni kinahanglan sila mo apil sa gera, ky mas maka kwarta ang US sa gera..

naay conversation si roosevelt ug kad2 iya secretary of war si stimson nga nagkanayon. note november 25,1941 ni nga conversation.

"The question was how should we maneuver them into firing the first shot.. it was desirable to make sure the japanese be the ones to do this so that there should remain no doubt as to who the aggressors"

so kini pa lang daan klaro na nga giplano sa US nga gusto gyud sila maapil..

before sa pearl harbour naka receive na daan si Roosevelt ug warning sa australia about sa Japanese attack pero gi ignore ra ni Roosevelt ky gusto cya nga maapil gyud sila sa gera..

hmnn... let me do some research...

I don't really buy into that whole Pearl Harbor advance knowledge conspiracy. For one thing, the planes in Pearl Harbor were clustered up together, and that caused maximum losses of aircraft. If there was advanced knowledge, why would higher Naval echelon allow planes to cluster up like that if they knew Pearl Harbor would be attacked when all they needed was provocation. I mean whether the Japanese destroyed 200 grounded aircraft vs 100 aircraft, it's still an attack. Why would the Americans put themselves in a situation to lose more aircraft than they needed to. Second, assertion is, the Japanese had also made other encrypted transmissions that they would attack Wake, the Philippine Garrison, Dutch East Indies--there are plenty of targets that were more plausible to be attacked by the IJN and IJA. So the Americans knew that Japan was going to do something big, they just flat-out did not expect it in Pearl Harbor where the water is too shallow for conventional torpedoes. Third, German U-boats have been attacking neutral American ships (delivering Lend-Lease materials to Britain and USSR) and truth be told, American anti-war sentiments were on a decline because of this.

At this point, Aircraft carriers had not proven its significance in naval warfare, and Battleships were prized. I don't know how FDR or any of the upper military echelons would risk to sacrifice their entire Pacific fleet (with 8 battleships) for a provocation of war. My assertion is that the U.S. knew they had to, and wanted to, get in the war, but I'm not convinced in the revisionist theory that FDR knew ahead of time about the attack of Pearl Harbor.

tan awa ng movie nga Tora! Tora! Tora! .. ge detalye man y ala naka prepare ang Pearl Harbor og ngano naka clustered up ang mga planes.

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tan awa ni nga movie

Heroes of Telemark

The Nazis' 'Uranverein' was so close to developing an H-bomb before Oppenheimer and company started bomb research for the Manhattan Project. The Soviets even salvaged a lot of Nazi research (and scientists) for their own research after the war. Had the Germans been allowed to research undeterred, who knows, they could have built the first A/H-bomb. Fortunately, SOE commandos along with indigenous saboteurs were successful in their efforts.

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The American contribution to the war in Europe is exaggerated. The Soviets conquered more land from Nazi Germany in Europe than all other allies combined. American support via equipment represented a mere 7% of the total military production output of the USSR during the 2nd world war.

The USSR is the true hero of WW2.

[Deadstring67]

The American contribution to the war in Europe is exaggerated. The Soviets conquered more land from Nazi Germany in Europe than all other allies combined. American support via equipment represented a mere 7% of the total military production output of the USSR during the 2nd world war.

The USSR is the true hero of WW2.

Nope, Paton was the real Hero in Europe. MacArthur in the pacific. not some red commos

may unta ge giyera na lang pud sa US og ubang allies ang Soviets, which is gusto ni paton.

og ni MacArthur nga gusto sad gerahon ang China, during korean war.

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Nope, Paton was the real Hero.. not some red commos

Hook line and sinker... American propaganda...

USSR destroyed 80% of Nazi Germany's army.

What did Patton do?