There is no such thing as HEAVEN.

[rcruman]

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Its clear in my post that:
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. James 1:17.

Its God who wont change neither shadow of turning.
Ingon ani ang change, pula ka sa una karon puti napud.

His plan was progressive not fixed.

PEace!

[Sinyalan]

His plan was progressive not fixed.
That's what you said. Bible is a fixed plan... it's the people who keeps on interpreting over and over that it's not fixed but it is fixed. Ngano man diay, his plans are to follow him, right? don"t you think that's not a fixed plan? Bible outlined all fixed plans for all people to follow him... and if you say progressive, there are changes to his plans... now, didn't you just say He does not change?

[rcruman]

This is the plan of God:

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 1 Timothy 2:4.

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. John 10:16.

So until now God is working and calling those sheep of Him.

17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. John 5:17.

PEace!

[rcruman]

This is the plan of God:

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 1 Timothy 2:4.

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. John 10:16.

So until now God is working and calling those sheep of Him.

17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. John 5:17.

PEace!

[Sinyalan]

That's what I am trying to tell you brod. You read the Bible over and over agan and you don't see how fixed that plan was. You don't find how his plan works... why do you think there are numbered verses? chronological dating of the bible? The fact that God changed it the second time because people don't get His point and materializing His plans in the first place. You keep on dividing verses... HIS PLANS ARE DIRECT AND CLEAR... you read the bible daily and you still don't see his point. THIS ARE MY PLANS.... you only may see that in afterlife but for now live with it because His plans are always there... FIXED.

[rcruman]

His plan was to saved all man, but between that it is still progressive because the number to be saved are not yet known.

The actual number will determine the number of people who will believed, follow and Love Him.

Peace!

[Sinyalan]

His plan was to saved all man, but between that it is still progressive because the number to be saved are not yet known.

The actual number will determine the number of people who will believed, follow and Love Him.

Peace!

Kuyawa gud... naa diay figures uf pila ang salbahon? Mind if I ask? How did you know this brod? Did he told you that there will be number of people to be saved? Naa diay quota ang pagsaved sa mga tawo. Karon pa ako ani da.

Brod, you keep on changing your explanations... karon "was" dayun "is"... don't you just confirmed that the actual plan was (past tense) to save unya homana na man ang panahon niya... don't you just move on and get on with your life? IMO, the people in that time are desperate to find solutions for thier grief? They've been slaves for years and the only outlet they can do is create a "hero" figure just give them hope? Then, when "God" heard them calling... what happened? They don't even recognize their saviour as the God's son. Everyone in that period was looking for place that put them in peace... then that peace came their "heaven" because to the writers point of views... there will no death and there will be salvation. Salvation for who? For the slaves! and who were the slaves? I think you know the answer... now, what happened to the people who are their masters? They are his people too... God himself made them (so as the book of Genesis!). Don't you ever wonder that most if not all the people who are involved of Bible are slaves? Interesting isn't it? Now, if you're a slave... would you ask someone to save you from dire unhappiness and grief?

[rcruman]

Kuyawa gud... naa diay figures uf pila ang salbahon? Mind if I ask? How did you know this brod? Did he told you that there will be number of people to be saved? Naa diay quota ang pagsaved sa mga tawo. Karon pa ako ani da.

Naa gyuy figure brod pero wala pa makumpleto kay wa paman nahuman og tawag.

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. John 10:16.

Sheep are people who will serve God until the end.

Salvation for who? For the slaves!
We are slave of Christ but we are free from the world and sins of death.

Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Every one that committeth sin is the bondservant of sin.
John 8:34
The American Standard Version

But now being made free from sin and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto sanctification, and the end eternal life.
The Romans 6:22
The American Standard Version

Peace!

[rcruman]

Kuyawa gud... naa diay figures uf pila ang salbahon? Mind if I ask? How did you know this brod? Did he told you that there will be number of people to be saved? Naa diay quota ang pagsaved sa mga tawo. Karon pa ako ani da.

Naa gyuy figure brod pero wala pa makumpleto kay wa paman nahuman og tawag.

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. John 10:16.

Sheep are people who will serve God until the end.

Salvation for who? For the slaves!
We are slave of Christ but we are free from the world and sins of death.

Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Every one that committeth sin is the bondservant of sin.
John 8:34
The American Standard Version

But now being made free from sin and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto sanctification, and the end eternal life.
The Romans 6:22
The American Standard Version

Peace!

[Sinyalan]

Brod rcruman, wouldn't you imagine that some verses in the bible gives back to israelites? I know you read the bible and I don't believe that ONLY isrealites will have devine attention. Name any verses that says anything about israel. I have no quarrel with the isrealis or any of their faith/beiiefs but didn't the bible said "leave my people..."? God said that himself through Moses... because he sent moses as his chosen leader of the israelites. Now, where in the bible that release the african slaves, filipino slaves, or aborigne slaves? none... zip... nada... zero. All in one people... israelites.