There is no such thing as HEAVEN.

[Sinyalan]

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Not by death that you can go to heaven.
It will happen when you are judged and Christ will get you on His second coming.
There are people who wont experience death and still they can go to heaven.

Brod, you speak as if you went to heaven before. The Bible teaches us ways to go to heaven while no one ever here in this world knows where the heaven go. If you someone says here that the heaven doesn't need to go... then prove to us posters that the exact place of heaven is located. You can use science if you want as your gear to prove us wrong... mind you, none in the old testament to the new testament spoke about science... I MEAN ZERO! So, if you use both, doubtful your beliefs are bending and you might reevaluate your testimonies about the ways and means of proving us that there is heaven.

[rcruman]

Brod, you speak as if you went to heaven before. The Bible teaches us ways to go to heaven while no one ever here in this world knows where the heaven go. If you someone says here that the heaven doesn't need to go... then prove to us posters that the exact place of heaven is located. You can use science if you want as your gear to prove us wrong... mind you, none in the old testament to the new testament spoke about science... I MEAN ZERO! So, if you use both, doubtful your beliefs are bending and you might reevaluate your testimonies about the ways and means of proving us that there is heaven.

Hep,hep, hep brod, I just using the verse of 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17. It clearly says there that there are living that will be caught in the air and be the Lords forever.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17.

So it just an answer to the post:
where is heaven? - only death can lead you to heaven if indeed you r worthy. so ayaw mo pangutana kung asa na dapit kung buhi pamo.

No more no less.
Peace!

[Sinyalan]

I just using the verse of 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17.
Ahh, I see... you're just USING... not understanding... mao diay...

[rcruman]

Using will follow understanding.
How could I use it without understanding.
Like using your tootbrush, do you understand why your using your toothbrush?

Okay for the sake of argument, what does the verse 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 means?
What is your understanding?

Peace!

[Oakboy]

mas maayo tingali ana rcruman ikaw ang mo explain ana una nyor kai ikaw may nag post anang Thessalonians 4:16-17
unsa may claro nga understanding nimo ana bro explaini kuno me dre..

[Sinyalan]

Okay for the sake of argument, what does the verse 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 means?
What is your understanding?

Peace!You know what bord, even if I explain something ON MY OWN UNDERSTANDING, you still go back to Bible verses... because as I have noticed that's where you evolve your world and built your own perceptions... I am just hoping that you have other life to enjoy... people will view you as uncommon... try to loosen up brod. Daghan ra bang nabuang sa Bible because they can't fathom the real meaning of the Bible. I'm sure you're going to answer this with bible verses... so go ahead.

[rcruman]

I am just hoping that you have other life to enjoy... people will view you as uncommon... try to loosen up brod. Daghan ra bang nabuang sa Bible because they can't fathom the real meaning of the Bible. I'm sure you're going to answer this with bible verses... so go ahead.

Uncommon? are you sure?
I've enjoyed more my life now as compared before.
I have experienced happiness and joy with my life now because of word of God.
You don't know me personally and yet you've acused me.

Daghan nabuang kay ila man gipugos pagtugkad sa biblia sa ilang kaugalingon.
Ang pulong sa biblia masabtan kay tabangan ta sa Ginoo.

Bumalik kamo sa akong pagbadlong: Ania karon, ibubo ko ang akong espiritu sa ibabaw ninyo; Akong ipahibalo ang akong mga pulong kaninyo. Proverbs 1:23.

I'm sure you're going to answer this with bible verses... so go ahead.

Because:
Apan kaniya mitubag siya nga nag-ingon, "Nahisulat na: `Ang tawo mabuhi dili sa tinapay lamang, kondili sa matag-pulong nga magagula sa baba sa Dios`" Matthew 4:4.

My words and our words may vary from time to time but Gods word and God himself won't.

Ang tanang maayong hatag ug ang tanang hingpit nga gasa nagagikan sa kahitas-an, gikan sa Amahan sa mga kahayag kang kinsa walay pagkausab ni landong gumikan sa pagkabalhin. James 1:17.

God wont change, and i don't want to prove to you what I'm capable about the earthly knowledge.

Peace!

[Sinyalan]

God wont change, and i don't want to prove to you what I'm capable about the earthly knowledge.

How sure ka nga God will not change? Nganong iya man gipadala iyang anak...? So people repent their sins... right? So, in the sense he already made changes, their were floods, famine, sa panahon ni Abraham... there are hundred of changes. If you claim that you are capable of earthly knowledge, then you still a lot to learn... because I too, has full of learning process... I don't claim that I am above all or knowledgeable but I managed to see things correctly. Since people are "high ups" about their capabilites, then he should stay and learn to see what they have been missing.

[rcruman]

How sure ka nga God will not change?
Yes because He is the ALpha and the Omega, He is the Truth.
ANd its written in the bible that:
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. James 1:17.

Nganong iya man gipadala iyang anak...?
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. John 3:16.

So people repent their sins... right?
To give us chance to be saved from sins and lake of fire.

So, in the sense he already made changes, their were floods, famine, sa panahon ni Abraham... there are hundred of changes.
Do you call that changes? Its His action and plan.

If you claim that you are capable of earthly knowledge, then you still a lot to learn... because I too, has full of learning process...
Hello? did i say that I'm capable? read my post:
God wont change, and i don't want to prove to you what I'm capable about the earthly knowledge.

Since people are "high ups" about their capabilites, then he should stay and learn to see what they have been missing.

Sayon ra magpakabogo kaysa magpakabright.

PEace!

[Sinyalan]

Do you call that changes? Its His action and plan.

What is change to you then? Di ba it involves, planning and action?