The Roman Catholic Church~ Questions

[SioDenz]

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Jesus Christ is the TRUTH brod. Ang akong belief lang sa iyaha mao makaingon ko nga naa ko sa insakto.

walay religion nga perfect bisan ang imoha.

Jesus Christ is the truth But it doesn't mean nga Kita ra maoy sakto kay nituoo ta niya. Even if we have faith, We are still searching for the right way para ngadtu sa Ginoo. Kitang tanan nangita pa asa ang dalan padulong sa kaluwasan. So if kitang tanan nagita pa diay ug wa pa ta niabot didto, I dont think we have the right to say nga ang atung ginasubay karun insakto or Tinuod nah unya ang uban nga dili pariha natu sayop na.

[Grammaton]

Jesus Christ is the truth But it doesn't mean nga Kita ra maoy sakto kay nituoo ta niya. Even if we have faith, We are still searching for the right way para ngadtu sa Ginoo. Kitang tanan nangita pa asa ang dalan padulong sa kaluwasan. So if kitang tanan nagita pa diay ug wa pa ta niabot didto, I dont think we have the right to say nga ang atung ginasubay karun insakto or Tinuod nah unya ang uban nga dili pariha natu sayop na.

Nganong mangita paman ko ug right way nga si Jesus Christ enough naman para nako. He is not just the truth but also the way and the life.

wala manko moingon nga ako ray insakto, hasta pud ka kung duna kay pagtuo niya. kitang duha ang naa sa insakto! ai na pangita ug lain kay mawala nalang ta sa kalibutan dili na jud ta kakita ug kaparehas ni Hesukristo.

Id rather believe His word in the bible than the theories of men nga mag-usab2.

[Grammaton]

Its Not relative But to judge nga ang uban sayop based sa Bibliya - means nga ikaw maoy naka kaplag sa kamatuoran sa Bibliya ang uban wala. Ang Ginoo man kaha nakahibalo sa kamatuoran unya nganu nakahibalo nman ka nga sayop sila?

id like to cite an example though naay daghan:
prayer for the dead. unsa may meaning para nimo sa cross ni Jesus Christ nga pwede raman kaha diay pamisahan ang namatay para malangit iyang kalag?
hatagi ko ug verse nga mosupport ana.

usahay dili lang kayo ta mindful aning butanga and we consider judgmental dayon sa tawo nga mkasaway sa obvious.

[Grammaton]

ang pinaka punto sa infallibility dili sa pope lamang but sa historical ug biblical fact nga si Jesus created a Church..ug naay mga apostoles nga iyahang gitahasan hangtod sa bag ong panahon mao karon..

from: Catholic Encyclopedia
* that Christ founded His Church as a visible and perfect society;
* that He intended it to be absolutely universal and imposed upon all men a solemn obligation actually to belong to it, unless inculpable ignorance should excuse them;
* that He wished this Church to be one, with a visible corporate unity of faith, government, and worship; and that
* in order to secure this threefold unity, He bestowed on the Apostles and their legitimate successors in the hierarchy — and on them exclusively — the plenitude of teaching, governing, and liturgical powers with which He wished this Church to be endowed.


buot pasabot naay strong historical foundation ngano ang word of God inerrant. dili sa idea nga kita ray mag buot buot ug interpret, kay si Kristo naa may gibinlan ana , ug wala man gitagaan ug tahas nga mo interpret ug ato ato lang.. we need a Church dili Churches...

You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it... di ba dili si kinsa lang Churches kay singular na....ayaw kug ingna nga church na gipundar atong 1913? hahahhaa..

The ROCK is not meant for Peter, it was Jesus.

Matt 21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

Jesus Christ "the chief cornerstone" (Matthew 21:42). Jesus was talking about building His church upon the solid bedrock, not a small pebble.

"Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock." (Matthew 7:24-25)

Paul is clear in 1 Corinthians 3:11 "For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ." We can't look to a mere human being as the foundation of the Christian church! "It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man." (Psalm 118:. Like David said, "The Lord is my rock" (Psalm 18:2) "And who is a rock, except our God?" (Psalm 18:31).

Peter was not "rock solid" at this point in time. If we read on in Matthew 16, just a few verses after Jesus spoke of the rock, we find Christ rebuking Peter for trying to hinder His ministry: "But He turned and said to Peter, Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men." (Matthew 16:23) Later, it was Peter who denied three times that he even knew Jesus (Matthew 26:69-75). So he obviously had some growing to do in his relationship with the Lord, and Jesus knew that (Luke 22:31-32).

Now it is true that every believer of Jesus Christ is a stone in the great building of God, His church. Peter himself tells us that Jesus is the "cornerstone", and we are also stones resting on the foundation of Christ: "Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious, you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture, Behold, I lay in Zion A chief cornerstone, elect, precious, And he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame." (1 Peter 1:4-6)

Successor to Peter

church (chûrch) KEY

NOUN:

A building for public, especially Christian worship.
often Church
The company of all Christians regarded as a spiritual body.
A specified Christian denomination: the Presbyterian Church.
A congregation.
Public divine worship in a church; a religious service: goes to church at Christmas and Easter.
The clerical profession; clergy.
Ecclesiastical power as distinguished from the secular: the separation of church and state.

TRANSITIVE VERB:
churched, church·ing, church·es
To conduct a church service for, especially to perform a religious service for (a woman after childbirth).

ADJECTIVE:
Of or relating to the church; ecclesiastical.

[ketllac]

Define what is a church para nimo. Tingali nagtuo ka nga Roman Catholic ra ang gimean ana? as a christian, we belong to one body of Christ. Usa pud, dili Roman Catholic ang first christians.

Successor to Peter

church (chûrch) KEY

NOUN:

A building for public, especially Christian worship.
often Church
The company of all Christians regarded as a spiritual body.
A specified Christian denomination: the Presbyterian Church.
A congregation.
Public divine worship in a church; a religious service: goes to church at Christmas and Easter.
The clerical profession; clergy.
Ecclesiastical power as distinguished from the secular: the separation of church and state.

TRANSITIVE VERB:
churched, church·ing, church·es
To conduct a church service for, especially to perform a religious service for (a woman after childbirth).

ADJECTIVE:
Of or relating to the church; ecclesiastical.

tagaig ko historical basis ug lineage nga inyong church konektado ni Peter?

[Grammaton]

naa sa edited comment sa taas ang tubag bro.

[ketllac]

naa sa edited comment sa taas ang tubag bro.

akong gipangayo pareha ani ba;

# St. Peter (32-67)
# St. Linus (67-76)
# St. Anacletus (Cletus) (76-8
# St. Clement I (88-97)
# St. Evaristus (97-105)
# St. Alexander I (105-115)
# St. Sixtus I (115-125) Also called Xystus I
# St. Telesphorus (125-136)
# St. Hyginus (136-140)
# St. Pius I (140-155)
# St. Anicetus (155-166)
# St. Soter (166-175)
# St. Eleutherius (175-189)
# St. Victor I (189-199)
# St. Zephyrinus (199-217)
# St. Callistus I (217-22) Callistus and the following three popes were opposed by St. Hippolytus, antipope (217-236)
# St. Urban I (222-30...............................

to make it short...hangtod kang benedict



# Pius XII (1939-5
# Blessed John XXIII (1958-63)
# Paul VI (1963-7
# John Paul I (197
# John Paul II (1978-2005)
# Benedict XVI (2005—)


source: CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: List of Popes

tagai kuno kog sama ani nga lineage....sama sad nga maka claim ka nga part ka sa nobe family or frat ba kaha..di ba naa man gyud na historicity...gai kuno ko sa lineage sa imo church..?

The ROCK is not meant for Peter, it was Jesus.

dili ba diay rock ang meaning sa Peter diha sa aramaic ug coined greek? nga gigamit atong panahuna..or imo lang gigamit imo language ron sa pag interpret?

[dartzed]

The ROCK is not meant for Peter, it was Jesus.

Matt 21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

Jesus Christ "the chief cornerstone" (Matthew 21:42). Jesus was talking about building His church upon the solid bedrock, not a small pebble.

"Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock." (Matthew 7:24-25)

Paul is clear in 1 Corinthians 3:11 "For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ." We can't look to a mere human being as the foundation of the Christian church! "It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man." (Psalm 118:. Like David said, "The Lord is my rock" (Psalm 18:2) "And who is a rock, except our God?" (Psalm 18:31).

Peter was not "rock solid" at this point in time. If we read on in Matthew 16, just a few verses after Jesus spoke of the rock, we find Christ rebuking Peter for trying to hinder His ministry: "But He turned and said to Peter, Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men." (Matthew 16:23) Later, it was Peter who denied three times that he even knew Jesus (Matthew 26:69-75). So he obviously had some growing to do in his relationship with the Lord, and Jesus knew that (Luke 22:31-32).

Now it is true that every believer of Jesus Christ is a stone in the great building of God, His church. Peter himself tells us that Jesus is the "cornerstone", and we are also stones resting on the foundation of Christ: "Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious, you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture, Behold, I lay in Zion A chief cornerstone, elect, precious, And he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame." (1 Peter 1:4-6)

Successor to Peter

church (chûrch) KEY

NOUN:

A building for public, especially Christian worship.
often Church
The company of all Christians regarded as a spiritual body.
A specified Christian denomination: the Presbyterian Church.
A congregation.
Public divine worship in a church; a religious service: goes to church at Christmas and Easter.
The clerical profession; clergy.
Ecclesiastical power as distinguished from the secular: the separation of church and state.

TRANSITIVE VERB:
churched, church·ing, church·es
To conduct a church service for, especially to perform a religious service for (a woman after childbirth).

ADJECTIVE:
Of or relating to the church; ecclesiastical.

b4 ka mupost bro better know the language from the past and how they use them..

quoted from bible scholars

"Greek scholars(even non-Catholic ones)admit, the words petros and petra were synonyms in first century Greek.They meant "small stone" and "large rock" in some ancient Greek poetry, centuries before the time of Christ, but that distinction had disappeared from the language by the time Matthew’s Gospel was rendered in Greek. The difference in meaning can only be found in Attic Greek, but the New Testament was written in Koine Greek—an entirely different dialect. In Koine Greek, both petros and petra simply meant "rock." If Jesus had wanted to call Simon a small stone, the Greek lithos(small stone/pebbles) would have been used"

[Grammaton]

akong gipangayo pareha ani ba;

# St. Peter (32-67)
# St. Linus (67-76)
# St. Anacletus (Cletus) (76-8
# St. Clement I (88-97)
# St. Evaristus (97-105)
# St. Alexander I (105-115)
# St. Sixtus I (115-125) Also called Xystus I
# St. Telesphorus (125-136)
# St. Hyginus (136-140)
# St. Pius I (140-155)
# St. Anicetus (155-166)
# St. Soter (166-175)
# St. Eleutherius (175-189)
# St. Victor I (189-199)
# St. Zephyrinus (199-217)
# St. Callistus I (217-22) Callistus and the following three popes were opposed by St. Hippolytus, antipope (217-236)
# St. Urban I (222-30...............................

to make it short...hangtod kang benedict



# Pius XII (1939-5
# Blessed John XXIII (1958-63)
# Paul VI (1963-7
# John Paul I (197
# John Paul II (1978-2005)
# Benedict XVI (2005—)


source: CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: List of Popes

tagai kuno kog sama ani nga lineage....sama sad nga maka claim ka nga part ka sa nobe family or frat ba kaha..di ba naa man gyud na historicity...gai kuno ko sa lineage sa imo church..?

unsa may relevance sa history sa Roman Catholicism and at the end apostate diay? kana gud gi-embrace na ang teaching about Lucifer.

dili ba rock ang meaning sa Peter diha sa hebrew? asa man ka nag study ani bro...hehehhehehe.

Just imagine bro kung si Peter maoy foundation sa church. He even denied the Lord three times.
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The New testament was originally written in the Greek, from which the Latin, English, and other versions were translated. If you study the Greek text you will find that the word Peter and the word Rock on which Christ was to build His church are two separate and distinct words, each having a different meaning. The word Peter in Greek is petros, which means "a piece of rock; a stone; a single stone; movable, insecure, shifting, or roll*ing." The word rock is petra, which means "a rock; a cliff; a projecting rock; mother rock; huge mass; solid formation; fixed; immovable; enduring."

The word petros for Peter in the Greek is in the masculine gender and the word petra for the rock is in the feminine gender. Petros and petra are two distinct words in the Greek. Petros is a shifting, rolling, or insecure stone, while petra is a solid, immov*able rock. In the English language the gender is not specified by the article. We say the fork, the spoon, and the knife. The three words have the same article. In the Greek, as in many of the modern languages, each noun and corresponding article is in the masculine, feminine, or neuter gender. In many cases it is an arbitrary arrangement, regardless of ***.

The article in Greek is important. If one noun is in the masculine it must have a mas*culine article, and if it is in the feminine it must have a feminine article. The text under consideration in the Greek shows that petros is in the masculine, and petra in the feminine, proving that they are two distinct words; and each one has a different meaning. Now the question is, on which of the two, petros or petra, did Christ establish His church? Was it on petros, a movable stone, or petra, an immovable rock?

Let us quote the text again: "I say also unto thee [to Peter], That thou art Peter [petros, masculine gender], and upon this Rock [petra, feminine gender] I will build My church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it" (Matt. 16:1. The text indi*cates clearly that the church of Christ is built on petra and not on Petros.

Long before Jesus was born He was considered the Rock. Isaiah declares: "Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious cor*nerstone, a sure foundation" (Isaiah 28:16). Peter applies this prophecy to Christ. He wrote: "Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief Cornerstone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on Him shall not be confounded" (1 Peter 2:6). David said: "Lead me to the Rock that is higher than I" (Psalm 61:2) (Douay, Psalm 60:3).

If Jesus delegated Peter as the head of the church, why did the other disciples quarrel among themselves as to who would be the greatest (Luke 9:46)? If this decision had already been made by Christ, why should the others fret about it?

[Grammaton]

Catholicism Today

We can list some of the idolatrous practices and pagan doctrines of today's Catholic Church:

■The round wafers in the sacrament symbolise the sun (the sun was erected above the altars in the worship of Baal) [Hislop]
■The columns of St Peter's Cathedral in Rome have a sun-like image, and a wall has a golden sunburst image just as in the Babylonian temple
■The Church claims that the woman in Revelation 12.1 represents the Virgin Mary or 'Mother of God'
■The Church insists that there is no salvation by faith alone, but that further works are required e.g. through the sacraments and penance. Thus, salvation can only be achieved through the Catholic Church and Rome is the only true church
■The Church insists that the pope is unable to err in any formal statement (such as a Papal Bull)
■The Church insists that the Mass is a sacrifice as Christ continues to offer Himself on the altar
■The Church insists that the wafer and wine are changed into the body and blood of Christ (transubstantiation)
■The Church is a prime player in the EU, so merging Christ's true mission for the church with state business. Recent EU Treaty emphasis upon the 'subsidiarity' of nation states to the EU is a Vatican concept [Semlyn, All Roads Lead to Rome]

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