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    MANILA, Philippines - China sees the submission of the dispute over Panatag (Scarborough) Shoal to international arbitration as a “weird” thing in international affairs.
    At a press conference in Beijing on Tuesday, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said China has sovereignty over the shoal, also called Bajo de Masinloc in old Philippine maps.
    “Isn’t it a weird thing in international affairs to submit a sovereign country’s territory to international arbitration?” he said. “What a chaos the world will be in if this happens.”
    Hong said China has full historical and jurisprudential evidence of its sovereignty over the shoal.
    “Whatever the Philippines do or say regarding the sovereignty of the island cannot alter the fact that the island belongs to China,” he said.
    Hong said the Philippines unilaterally provoked the situation in Panatag Shoal.
    Over time the Philippines has been escalating the situation regardless of the consequences, he added.
    Last July, Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario first raised to Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi and Vice President Xi Jinping the issue of bringing the Philippine and Chinese claims to the International Tribunal on the Law of the Sea (ITLOS).



    However, the response Del Rosario received was that the Philippines and China should undertake to settle the matter *****erally and not to use a dispute settlement mechanism.
    “So effectively they said no to our suggestion that we take it to international arbitration,” Del Rosario said.
    Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Liu Weimin accused the Philippines of unilaterally misinterpreting the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS).
    “Its (Philippines) claim of a ‘200 nautical miles of exclusive economic zones’ has impaired China’s territorial claim, which is in itself against international law. International rules are made jointly by all countries in the world, and countries, big or small, should abide by them. We believe the public are able to tell right from wrong,” Liu said.
    China warned on Monday the Philippines about preparations Beijing has made to respond to any escalation of the situation in the area.
    On Monday, Vice Foreign Minister Fu Ying summoned Alex Chua, charge d’affaires of the Philippine embassy in Beijing, to make a serious representation over the current incident at Panatag Shoal.
    Fu said that it has been almost a month since the incident at Bajo de Masinloc occurred and it should have been ended early.
    On Thursday, Del Rosario said the Philippines is willing to match Beijing’s announcement of preparations for an escalation of tensions in Panatag Shoal with “diplomatic consultations,” unless the message is meant to intimidate.
    China has urged the Philippines to return to the right track of a diplomatic resolution to the island situation.
    UNCLOS supports the Philippine claim to sovereignty in Panatag Shoal and international law is clear in terms of the fact that the Philippines is well within the 200-nautical mile EEZ and also within the continental shelf.
    China stands solely on a historical claim.
    No Chinese flag on Panatag
    Coast Guard Commandant Vice Adm. Edmund Tan denied yesterday news reports that an unidentified man was able to plant a Chinese flag on Panatag Shoal.
    Last Thursday, China’s official Xinhua news agency reported that a Chinese national was able to plant a flag on the disputed shoal.
    Acting Coast Guard spokesman Lt. Cmdr. Rommel Supangan said the news report is not true.
    “Our ship is there and it gives report to Vice Admiral Tan every two hours and there is no such information,” he said.
    Supangan said the monitoring control and surveillance vessel that the Coast Guard jointly operates with the Bureau of Fisheries and Aquatic Resources is in the lagoon.
    “We also have six Filipino fishing boats in the area,” he said.
    Supangan said they would sometimes dispatch a rubber boat to scour the shoal.
    Filipino fishermen are still going to the shoal, he added.
    Supangan said the Coast Guard detachment at Masinloc, Zambales has reported that Filipino fishermen would go out to the lagoon despite the presence of Chinese vessels.
    Chinese fishing boats in the lagoon are coexisting with Filipino fishermen, he added. – With Evelyn Macairan


    China: Int'l arbitration weird - The Philippine Star » News » Headlines

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    we all knew this chinese won't give up this panatag shoal and so are we.. But deliberately only china was making the desperate moves.

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    The usual lies and double-standards coming from China. Let us not forget that very recently:


    Chinese fishing boats have been intruding into the waters of not one but several nations.

    Chinese authorities have detained and held to ransom fishermen from Philippines and Vietnam in contested waters on several occasions.

    Chinese authorities actively encourage their citizens to engage in illegal activities in foreign waters.

    Chinese fishermen have attacked and murdered Japanese coast guard personnel.



    China talks about law and diplomacy, but refuses to discuss the matter instead making threats of violence and broadcasting inflammatory statements on national television.

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    philippines stance on the panatag shoal and the presence of our civilian ships in the shoal did have negative effects on chinese populace, why?

    1) The population will start questioning their govt why cant a world largest military force cant defeat a smaller military force like ours, one reason why, china cant fire the first shot, is it will lost legitimacy on most country by being the agressor, if they really want to do it, dugay ratana gibuhat pero wala.

    2) China's claim can never stand on any legal grounds, thats why they want b!lateral talks with us instead of unilateral, and our DND Sec (as what ive heard is well aware and playing its card on our side)

    3) China's sabre-rattling previously doesnt mean they are preparing for an attack, again they are not stupid.

    for me its better we keep our stand there, leave it to the civilian govt to deal with it, remember Gray vs Gray, White vs White, if white (ours) will be attacked by gray, that is a signed of aggression.

    the vietnam incident was basicly Gray vs Gray, thats why it ended in a shooting war...

    give diplomacy a chance, war-mongers are stupid people...

    an AFP officer i know once said, "Talking is better than Shooting, because shooting wont bring fathers, sons and brothers back to their family"

    please lang let's be mature enough stop this nonsense war-mongering daghan raba jud tawn ko diri nabantayan mao nang nawad-an tag gana mo apil sa discussions... salig raman gud mo nga dili kamo ang mobuhat... war-mongering is NOT FUN, ITS STUPID!!
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    you are right.. war often will make widows out of wives, and lost sons and brothers..

    war is at the back pages of a dictionary compared to talking.. because war is the last recourse when talking fails..

    but bear in mind, only the voice of the strong is heard at the negotiation table.. you can talk all you want, till your voices get hoarse.. but a bully will never reason with reason at all

    a bully does not understand the language of diplomacy.. only the language of war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by walker View Post
    you are right.. war often will make widows out of wives, and lost sons and brothers..

    war is at the back pages of a dictionary compared to talking.. because war is the last recourse when talking fails..

    but bear in mind, only the voice of the strong is heard at the negotiation table.. you can talk all you want, till your voices get hoarse.. but a bully will never reason with reason at all

    a bully does not understand the language of diplomacy.. only the language of war.
    that's why our country is going the route of arbitration and international laws to bring a third party (supposedly objective) on the table which of course China knows won't go their way so they want to do this between David and Goliath where as what you've said, the latter will always get their way.

    relax lang gyud ta tanan dapat ani ug dili lang nato paypayan ang gubot. dili ta pataka istorya. mao sad nay gibuhat sa media ug sa opisyalis nato karon.

    kabantay mo nihit kaayo coverage ani? sigurado go ang mga media editor-in-chiefs karon perting basa balik2 sa mga articles pagawason bahin aning butanga.

    kita mga netizens mao ra sad dapat nato buhaton. dili ta maghuwat atakihon nya ni atong pinangang istorya.net sa mga taga tsina.

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    Who needs action when you got words!

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    Redundant topic .

    Locking this .
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