MERGED: RP-China Territorial Dispute, Related Events and Updates

[bleedingboi]

brad, regardless kung kinsay source ana nga website. maayo pa i-verify nimo ang facts kung doubtful ka kay ako humana man kog verify, history is an open book. basta open up your eyes lang while reading it.

about sa international law about proximity, why not give citations kung asa dapita sa international law gisulti nga pwede gamiton nga basis ang gidul-on. para mao pud atong i-counter ana ilang istorya.

Lecture sa uban istoryans dri bout the validity of RP claim. For nth time, it is very, very, very valid. For Pete's sake, ikapila balik balikon. I cannot believe that " Filipinos " here in this thread, still sees it as China's or unowned.

Bro, this will show you the EEZ of every country, please check China's EEZ and also check RP's:

Exclusive economic zone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here's for clear fact of the rule created during the UN convention:

PREAMBLE TO THE UNITED NATIONS CONVENTION ON THE LAW OF THE SEA

[bleedingboi]

by the way, ultimo ang mindanao ganahan mo-separate sa pilipinas, atong gobiyerno ray di ganahan molahi sila. out of topic pero somewhat relevant sa proximity issue kay naa man dira ang sulu. basically what the other side is saying is proximity is not valid kay giangkon man gani nato ang lugar nga mas duol pa sa malaysia ug brunei unya ang mindanao mismo ganahan maglahi sa atoa. just saying.

OT: This is basically true, on a survey made a decade ago ( can't recall what mindanao newspaper was that), Mindanaoans really do feel a better Mindanao if we are following the Federalization movement, but they do not agree on separating from RP, only to federalize expenditure and economy. Meaning what Mindanao earns, only be spent for Mindanao.

@darkhero: Thanks sa tanan mga comments bro. If feel nimo na mas deserving ang China sa mga shoals, or if mas mupalayo nlang ang Pinas ani, then that's your opinion, we will respect that, this is what this thread is for ( public opinion). But please note, this is not only about "who's owning this or who's owning that " This is about a communist nation viled for a number of Human rights violation, maritime ecosystem violations, navy conflicts, child labor violations eyeing control on the Pacific West, which is a very strategic commercial route. This is a thing democratic nations won't let to happen.

[darkhero]

Lecture sa uban istoryans dri bout the validity of RP claim. For nth time, it is very, very, very valid. For Pete's sake, ikapila balik balikon. I cannot believe that " Filipinos " here in this thread, still sees it as China's or unowned.

Bro, this will show you the EEZ of every country, please check China's EEZ and also check RP's:

Exclusive economic zone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here's for clear fact of the rule created during the UN convention:

PREAMBLE TO THE UNITED NATIONS CONVENTION ON THE LAW OF THE SEA

wa man ko nag-ingon nga di na mao imong istorya pero kung mobasa gani tag history ug balaod, mag-sugod ta sa page 1, di kay mo-diretso lang tag ambak sa page 500 para masakto ta. bias na ta ana.

believe me di ko ignorant ani nga issue, history is my favorite subject to tackle, ang problema man gud kung naay doubtful sa facts nga gi-presentar sa pikas side, dapat tingali unahon ug remove ang doubts before makatakod pa na sa uban. i suggest we invalidate all their claims first by giving relevant citations of complete historical or present facts or laws that goes against sa ilang gipang-sulti instead of saying things like this..

So kung pareha ug utok ang mga pilipino nimu sa una world war 2, dugay rata gpangsakop sa hapon. Nakakita ka sa mapa brod? Nakakita ka unsa ka duol ang shoal sa atoa?

then mo-ambak dayon tag page 500 sa history book just to support that statement. as a sidenote, japan did invade and occupied us during world war 2.

i am not trying to offend anyone, di ra ko gusto makakita ug samok ni atong country. labi na dako ang possibility nga gihimo ra na nga rason sa atong military para ma-modernize na sila unya gigamit ra pud na sa US nga issue as a strategic move against sa china. mao bitaw ni-react ang china sa atong military exercises together with the US kay naa nay existing "issues" daan ang duha. unya mag-apil2x pa ni atong country, ingon ana ta ka-gullible tanan nga magpagamit ra?

unya worst case scenario, kung naay gubat, asa man ta puniton? mao di unta ta mosakay dayon sa issue unya kita ra diay to mag-antos kung di na maayo ang resulta.

This is basically true, on a survey made a decade ago ( can't recall what mindanao newspaper was that), Mindanaoans really do feel a better Mindanao if we are following the Federalization movement, but they do not agree on separating from RP, only to federalize expenditure and economy. Meaning what Mindanao earns, only be spent for Mindanao.

sa akong vocabulary, that is what i call an anecdote. please read this before citing newspapers that others cannot verify.

[jangska]

wars sucks. lets party.

[bleedingboi]

Darkhero bro. Chillax, No ones scrutinizing you here. Relax lang. Wa kay kontra ( di lang mi ganahan sa idea nga imu ihatag ang unsay atoa - obviuos man), regarding sa Mindanao topic, I was actually complementing you positively. Now on this statement:

"wa man ko nag-ingon nga di na mao imong istorya pero kung mobasa gani tag history ug balaod, mag-sugod ta sa page 1, di kay mo-diretso lang tag ambak sa page 500 para masakto ta. bias na ta ana. "

Sure ka imu jud ipabasa sa mga istoryans from page 1 to 500? Ridiculous! Ang important lang na article sa International Law of the Sea ako gpoint out, there's no need to paste a 20,000 word published Law here. For mother of God!

Now on this statement:

"ang problema man gud kung naay doubtful sa facts nga gi-presentar sa pikas side, dapat tingali unahon ug remove ang doubts before makatakod pa na sa uban."

Bro, so doubtful and convention sa UN? Doubtful ang UNCLOS? So mas mutuo paka sa [www.spratlys.org website] nga gcreate sa foreign ministry sa China? Bro, like what I mention a while ago, wla kay kontra, comment all you want, but please do not tag these official links or statements as untrue.

Regarding your history class, same to bro, nahan pud ko history. P.S. tell your school to fire that history teacher, they're really not doing a good job, to what i'm seeing. Peace!

[bleedingboi]

wars sucks. lets party.

Payr brader! Party ta, war is full of s**t!!! WE never wanted war, but if one bully flexes it's muscle too much, then we use every possible option to put them on a leash. We will never bow to them or give them our lunch money!

[Burn Out]

scarborough shoal is ours..!!! Sa ka gagmay sa ilang mata, wla nila na-realize nga pirmi rah uNtang layu-a sa scarborough shoal sa ilang lugar.. Pa.sikat rba dayon.

kahibalo na sila bro... pro nakahibalo pud na sila na more pinoy's na talawan.. rally ra nahibaw-an..

u special weapon ng pinoy kay ang mouth ra... puros storya ra jud.. nya humble pa jud ayo..

mao na ila kuhaon pina agi sa pag hadlok..

[anti_pikot]

@darkhero, eversince this guy appeared on this thread, he is heavily pushing that we should give panatag shoal to china, no matter what our patriot Filipino istoryans tell him the other way, he just keep pushing it. Im beginning to think that this man is a china puppet. He just keep posting links that leads to irrelevant proofs that area belongs to china.I have no grudge with this guy but I could not stand his erroneous postings which poisons some of our beloved country men. No matter what china said. That area belongs to the ph and we will not give up no matter what.

P.S.

I literally said "china puppet" not "chinese puppet" because many of our fil-chinese are patriotic to ph.

[lespaulibanez]

Why in the hell would you give up what you think is yours?
Surely nobody in his right mind would do that.
While initially these thread seems interesting and worth getting back to after a hard day's work, it is becoming "bakya" and some posts are not actually worth reading.
Now first thing i do is see who the poster is, and then take it from there if i will read the post or not.

[reyscott1968]

Hope God wil punish China