***truth about jesus christ!

[marine77]

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THE GREAT FALLING AWAY---
be not deceived with the tricks of satan we already knew these things that will come to pass.

The scriptures speak to us about the end times and a great departure from the faith.

Some believers will depart from the faith of Jesus Christ and become liars!

1 Timothy 4:1-2 But the Spirit expressly says that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and teachings of demons, (2) speaking lies in hypocrisy, being seared in their own conscience,
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They will have an outward appearance of religion but will deny the power of God who raises us from the dead with Christ. True believers were at one time dead in their sins, but are now risen with Christ through the power of God. (See Romans Chapter 6) They now live a new and transformed life having been raised from the dead with Christ by the power of God. They latter day professing believers will deny this power of God!

2 Timothy 3:1-7 Know this also, that in the last days grievous times will be at hand. (2) For men will be self-lovers, money-lovers, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, (3) without natural affection, unyielding, false accusers, without self-control, savage, despisers of good, (4) traitors, reckless, puffed up, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, (5) having a form of godliness, but denying the power of it; even turn away from these. (6) For of these are those who creep into houses and lead captive silly women loaded with sins, led away with different kinds of lusts, (7) ever learning and never able to come to the full knowledge of the truth.
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The easiest way to tell who the backsliders are is to take note of their ungodly lives! The fruit being brought forth is a clear indicator that the tree is evil.

Jude 1:17-19 But you, beloved, remember the words spoken before by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ, (1 because they told you that at the last time there will be mockers according to their lusts, leading ungodly lives. (19) These are those setting themselves apart, animal-like ones, not having the Spirit.
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They will question the second coming of Christ or say that it has already taken place.

2 Peter 3:3-4 First, knowing this, that there will come in the last days scoffers walking according to their own lusts (4) and saying, Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.
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They will betray their brothers in the Lord, the true believers. They will be easily led astray by false prophets.

Matthew 24:10-13 And then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another. (11) And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. (12) And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. (13) But the one who endures to the end will be saved.
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Just as Israel in old times was led astray by false prophets, these will be led astray by false teachers who will bring teachings into the church which directly contradict the truth spoken by the Lord Jesus. Their motive for these false teachings will be money. They will gain a large following by speaking lies!

2 Peter 2:1-3 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. (2) And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. (3) And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.

stay blessed!!!

[omniknight]

Hmm, the oldest apostasy begins in Genesis too..

Let's Hear what the Old Hebrew Text "The TRANSLATION" says:


Genesis 4:26b "..then they surnamed their idols in the name of the Lord." - Targum of Jonathan

[JcBoY]

I have 2 answers

#1
they have the sacrificial system, to attain forgiveness before Jesus. This ceremony if done attests to the faith, belief and acceptance of Jesus sacrifice on the cross. The sacrificial system was a shadow of things to come, which was the ultimate sacrifice of Jesus.

The Law of Ceremonial Sacrifice:
An altar of earth thou shalt make unto me, and shalt sacrifice thereon thy burnt offerings, and thy peace offerings, thy sheep, and thine oxen: in all places where I record my name I will come unto thee, and I will bless thee.
Exodus 20:24

#2
by Faith in God - Abraham, Moses and all the prophets were saved since they have faith in God.
And he believed in the LORD, and He accounted it to him for righteousness Gen 15:6
Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Gal 3:6

Thanks Bro. Kenshiro at least it’s now clear that Mankind Salvation is not after all through Jesus Christ as what you had previously claimed.

[Kenshiro]

Thanks Bro. Kenshiro at least it’s now clear that Mankind Salvation is not after all through Jesus Christ as what you had previously claimed.

Yes it is through Christ but you misunderstood the Gospel. The sacrifices pointed towards acceptance to Christ. While Abrahams faith in God which merits him righteousness effectively has faith in Christ since God and Christ are one. John 10:30 -

But with the new testament It was Christ who fulfilled the sacrifice of redemption of man and the "only way the truth and life" in the new covenant

Salvation in OLD Covenant - requires animal Sacrifices and Faith in God(Christ)

Salvation in NEW Covenant - Christ as the ultimate sacrifice and Faith in Christ(God)

John 10:30 - I and my Father are one.

Was God pleased with Abrahams faith yes so was Jesus.

Why include Jesus when he wasn't even born? -
answer - Jesus already existed before Abraham.
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. John 8:5

Christ is still the only way the truth and the Life.

The Sacrifices are a symbol of acceptance of Christ so there was no change in the old testament Christ is still their source of their salvation.

I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
John 10:9

[JcBoY]

Yes it is through Christ but you misunderstood the Gospel. The sacrifices pointed towards acceptance to Christ. While Abrahams faith in God which merits him righteousness effectively has faith in Christ since God and Christ are one. John 10:30 -

But with the new testament It was Christ who fulfilled the sacrifice of redemption of man and the "only way the truth and life" in the new covenant

Salvation in OLD Covenant - requires animal Sacrifices and Faith in God(Christ)

Salvation in NEW Covenant - Christ as the ultimate sacrifice and Faith in Christ(God)

John 10:30 - I and my Father are one.

Was God pleased with Abrahams faith yes so was Jesus.

Why include Jesus when he wasn't even born? -
answer - Jesus already existed before Abraham.
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. John 8:5

Christ is still the only way the truth and the Life.

The Sacrifices are a symbol of acceptance of Christ so there was no change in the old testament Christ is still their source of their salvation.

I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
John 10:9

Bro. Kenshiro, you are quick to accuse me of having misunderstood the Gospel, you have to ask yourself first. Now you are quoting this verse John 10:30 in a desperate attempt to justify your position regarding salvation through Jesus Christ; where in fact, if you continue reading the next six verses, you will find Jesus explaining that his enemies were wrong to think that he was claiming to be God. What Jesus obviously means here is that he is one with the Father in purpose.

You are correct in saying, why include Jesus when he wasn’t even born? But your answer is way against the truth which you can also read in the Bible,” “Before me no God was formed, nor will there be one after me.” (Isaiah 43:10).

In conclusion, I would like to share this with you and to all the seekers of Truth. It is up to those sincere seekers of Truth to digest and discern the gist of its message. SORRY if it’s too long and may takes you some a couple of minutes to read. Taken from, Islam Guide: The Bible Denies the Divinity of Jesus

The Greatest Commandment in the Bible and the Quran:

Some will say that this whole discussion over the divinity of Jesus is unnecessary. They say, the important thing is to accept Jesus as your personal savior. On the contrary, the Bible’s writers stressed that, in order to be saved, it is necessary to understand who exactly is God. Failure to understand this would be to violate the first and greatest of all the commandments in the Bible. This commandment was emphasized by Jesus, on whom be peace, when a teacher of the Law of Moses asked him: “‘Of all the commandments, which is the most important?’ ‘The most important one,’ answered Jesus, ‘is this: Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’” (Mark 12:28-30).

Notice that Jesus was quoting the first commandment from the book of Deuteronomy 6:4-5. Jesus confirmed not only that this commandment is still valid, but also that it is the most important of all the commandments. If Jesus thought that he himself is God, why did not he say so? Instead, he stressed that God is one. The man who questioned Jesus understood this, and what the man says next makes it clear that God is not Jesus, for he said to Jesus: “‘Well said, teacher,’ the man replied. ‘You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him.’” (Mark 12:32).

Now if Jesus was God, he would have told the man so. Instead, he let the man refer to God as someone other than Jesus, and he even saw that the man had spoken wisely: “When Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said to him, ‘You are not far from the kingdom of God.’” (Mark 12:34). If Jesus knew that God is a trinity, why did not he say so? Why did not he say that God is one in three, or three in one? Instead, he declared that God is one. True imitators of Jesus will imitate him also in this declaration of God’s oneness. They will not add the word three where Jesus never said it.

Does salvation depend on this commandment? Yes, says the Bible! Jesus made this clear when another man approached Jesus to learn from him (see Mark 10:17-29). The man fell on his knees and said to Jesus: “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” Jesus replied: “Why do you call me good? No one is good — except God alone.” - Mark 10:17-18

By so saying, Jesus made a clear distinction between himself and God. Then he proceeded with the answer to the man’s question about how to get salvation. Jesus told him: “If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.” (Matthew 19:17, also see Mark 10:19)

Remember that the most important of all the commandments, according to Jesus, is to know God as the only God. Jesus further emphasized this in the Gospel According to John. In John 17:1, Jesus lifted his eyes to heaven and prayed, addressing God as Father. Then in verse three, he said to God as follows: “Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.” (John 17:3).

This proves beyond doubt that if people want to get eternal life they must know that the One, whom Jesus was praying to, is the only true God, and they must know that Jesus was sent by the true God. Some say that the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God. But Jesus said that the Father alone is the only true God. True followers of Jesus will follow him in this too. Jesus had said that his true followers are those who hold to his teachings. He said: “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples.” (John 8:31). His teaching is that people must continue to keep the commandments, especially the first commandment which emphasizes that God is alone, and that God should be loved with all our hearts and all our strengths.

We love Jesus, but we must not love him as God. Today many love Jesus more than they love God. This is because they see God as a vengeful person who wanted to exact a penalty from them, and they see Jesus as the savior who rescued them from the wrath of God. Yet God is our only savior. According to Isaiah 43:11, God said: “I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior.” Also God said according to Isaiah 45:21-22: “Was it not I, the LORD? And there is no God apart from me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none but me. Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other.”

The Quran confirms the first commandment and addresses it to all humankind, “And your Allah is one Allah; there is no god but He Most Gracious Most Merciful-Quran 2:163. And God declares that true believers love Him more than anyone else or anything else, “Yet there are men who take (for worship) others besides Allah as equal (with Allah); they love them as they should love Allah. But those of faith are overflowing in their love for Allah. If only the unrighteous could see behold they would see the penalty that to Allah belongs all power and Allah will strongly enforce the penalty.” - Quran 2:165.

[Kenshiro]

Bro. Kenshiro, you are quick to accuse me of having misunderstood the Gospel, you have to ask yourself first. Now you are quoting this verse John 10:30 in a desperate attempt to justify your position regarding salvation through Jesus Christ; where in fact, if you continue reading the next six verses, you will find Jesus explaining that his enemies were wrong to think that he was claiming to be God. What Jesus obviously means here is that he is one with the Father in purpose.

Yes they are one with purpose with God. Jesus may be a separate entity but they are one and united with God. So does that invalidate the divinity of Jesus and the only savior? You seemed to be one of those who splice Bible verses to fit your ideas.
We talking about Jesus divinity as part of the Godhead Let me answer:

You are correct in saying, why include Jesus when he wasn’t even born? But your answer is way against the truth which you can also read in the Bible,” “Before me no God was formed, nor will there be one after me.” (Isaiah 43:10).

In Isiah 43:10 you are effectively accusing Jesus as an idol apart from God since idolatry in this chapter is termed as strange gods."
if you read the Bible further and Isiah 43:10 Idolatry is termed as "strange god" with a small g:
Answer:
Isiah 43:12
I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.

Who is this "strange god"?
Psalms 81:9-10
There shall no strange god be in thee; neither shalt thou worship any strange god.
I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt: open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Answer: Strange gods are idols.

Who is the term Lord?
mark 12:36-37 -
36For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
37David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he then his son? And the common people heard him gladly.

Answer: There is a big difference in the term Lord which is the title of Jesus in contrast to strange gods.

So the verse in Isiah 43:10 accusing Jesus as "the other gods" is wrong but in contrast one with God himself Jesus is Lord and God is Lord and confirms his divinity and equality of God. Jesus title can be lord of lords, King of Kings, the Lamb, the son of God, the son of man, the Lion of Judah ect. but never as strange gods. And proving that you have used the verse out of context.

Jesus and God are also termed as savior:
Savior is refered to Jesus or a typology of Jesus and a prophecy of Jesus.
If you read the next verse: 11, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. Isiah 43:11 -
Who is this saviour?

2 Timothy 1:10:
“But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has abolished death, and has brought life and immortality to light through the gospel.”
The term savior is a typology of Christ redeeming power to man.

Some will say that this whole discussion over the divinity of Jesus is unnecessary. They say, the important thing is to accept Jesus as your personal savior. On the contrary, the Bible’s writers stressed that, in order to be saved, it is necessary to understand who exactly is God. Failure to understand this would be to violate the first and greatest of all the commandments in the Bible. This commandment was emphasized by Jesus, on whom be peace, when a teacher of the Law of Moses asked him: “‘Of all the commandments, which is the most important?’ ‘The most important one,’ answered Jesus, ‘is this: Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’” (Mark 12:28-30).

Well with this verse we are to obey Gods Law and Jesus encourages us to do so. When Jesus abides in God's Law does it discount his divinity? No because as what I have said God and Jesus are one in purpose so it is clearly signified by both Christ commandments in this verse and Gods law are the same they are in complete harmony. Keeping Gods commandment does not violate Christ Divinity.

If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. John 15:10

Try to read the whole Chapter this will even confirm Christ divinity:

David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he then his son? And the common people heard him gladly.
Mark 12:37
David Calls Jesus as Lord the same title with God.

This verse refers to
The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Mathew 22:44
and
The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.
Psalms 110:1

Keeping the law alone cannot save a man:
Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
And he answered and said unto him, Teacher, all these have I observed from my youth.
Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
Mark 19:21

Salvation requires us to die, die to self of sin and let Christ live in Us. While the Quran requires we die a Physical death.

Notice that Jesus was quoting the first commandment from the book of Deuteronomy 6:4-5. Jesus confirmed not only that this commandment is still valid, but also that it is the most important of all the commandments. If Jesus thought that he himself is God, why did not he say so? Instead, he stressed that God is one. The man who questioned Jesus understood this, and what the man says next makes it clear that God is not Jesus, for he said to Jesus: “‘Well said, teacher,’ the man replied. ‘You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him.’” (Mark 12:32).

Then again Jesus commandments and God are the same. Remember that They are one in purpose doesn't that make Jesus' commandments the same with God? and by no means discount the divinity of Jesus.
Its just that when Jesus talks about himself he never boasted but he humbled himself all the time when talking about himself and spoke of the truth. But if we based it on prophecy all of the prophets in the old and new they exalted and praised Jesus as the redeemer of Man and the only way through God and is and was equal to God.

Jesus divinity, and authority higher than any beings in heaven, no prophet no angel no man no creature in heaven or under heaven have this magnitude of authority:

And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, "Who is worthy to open the book and to break its seals?"
And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon
And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
Rev 5:2-5

Maniudto sa ko to be continued

[marine77]

share lang ko gamay....()

There is a difference in the concept of God between these 2 great religions.
In Islam, God is a being "OUT THERE" (unreachable) while in Christianity, God is not just out there but dwelling "WITHIN EACH BELIEVER" (relationship).

Kung dili ta makasabot sa deeper meaning of the doctrine of Trinity, often we misinterpret God being ONE. We will not be able to comprehend the complexity of His being! Just as CS Lewis, a former atheist who turned to Christ shared his very logical explaination about this doctrine says:

At the foundation of reality is God, and central to his nature is his “tri-unity.” Scripture teaches (perhaps not always in an explicit way, but the content is there) that God lives as three persons, Father, Son, and Spirit, but that these three are, although distint persons, somehow united as one being:

•“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God…And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father” – John 1:1,14
•“The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all” (2 Corinthians 13:14).
•Jesus speaks of “baptizing [disciples] in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.” (Matthew 28:19)
•At Jesus’ baptism (Matthew 3:13-17), the Father speaks of his Son while the Spirit descends upon the Son as a token or expression of the Father’s love.
•“For through him [Christ] we both have access in one Spirit to the Father.” – Ephesians 2:18
•“…according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ…” – 1 Peter 1:2
•In Acts 5:3-4, Peter speaks of lying to God and lying to the Holy Spirit as if they were the same thing.

In part IV of Mere Christianity, C.S. Lewis describes the doctrine of the Trinity:

"It is no good asking for a simple religion. After all, real things are not simple. They look simple, but they are not. The table I am sitting at looks simple: but ask a scientist to tell you what it is really made of—all about atoms and how the light waves rebound from them and hit my eye and what they do to the optic nerve and what it does to my brain—and, of course, you find that what we call "seeing a table" lands in mysteries and complications which you can hardly get to the end of."

The mysterious something which is behind all things must be more than a person…something superpersonal…The whole purpose for which we exist is to be taken into the life of God.

Lewis uses the analogy of dimensions in space, describing how God’s “dimension” is at a higher level than ours; we cannot to fully comprehend the Trinity:

You know that in space you can move in three ways - to left or right, backwards or forwards, up or down. Every direction is either one of these three or a compromise between them. They are called the three Dimensions. Now notice :his. If you are using only one dimension, you could draw only a straight line. If you are using two; you could draw a figure: say, a square. And a square is made up of four straight lines. Now a step further. If you have three dimensions, you can then build what we call a solid body: say, a cube - a thing like a dice or a lump of sugar. And a cube is made up of six squares.

Do you see the point? A world of one dimension would be a straight line. In a two-dimensional world, you still get straight lines, but many lines make one figure. In a three-dimensional world, you still get figures but many figures make one solid body. In other words, as you advance to more real and more complicated levels, you do not leave behind you the things you found on the simpler levels: you still have them, but combined in new ways - in ways you could not imagine if you knew only the simpler levels. On the Divine level, you still find personalities; but up there you find them combined in new ways which we, who do not live on that level, cannot imagine. In God’s dimension, so to speak, you find a being who is three Persons while remaining one Being…Of course we cannot fully conceive a Being like that: just as, if we were so made that we perceived only two dimensions in space we could never properly imagine a cube.”

When thinking about the Trinity, we should not think it is an impossible contradiction or bad math (1+1+1=1). The idea is that there are three distinct persons, so tightly knit together that the three are united as one being. "Being" is something different than "person." We do not know exactly how, and these words are no more than imperfect analogies to our human experience. All we can say is that the life of God is both more complicated and simpler than the human experience. There is both unity and diversity in the being of God; God is "the One who lives as three." And to a large extent, we must be content with not knowing how this works. After all, we are talking about God; we cannot expect our minds to be capable of fully grasping the infinite.

In a later chapter Lewis describes the three persons of the Trinity in more detail. He says that although there was never a time when the Father existed and the Son did not, the Father is nevertheless the cause of the Son*, and that this is what is meant by “begotten Son” or the Son “proceeding” from the Father.

The Son is “streaming forth from the Father, like light from a lamp…He is the self-expression of the Father.” As the author of Hebrews says, “The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word” (Hebrews 1:3). Lewis goes on to say, “God is not a static thing – not even a person – but a dynamic pulsating activity, a life, almost a kind of drama.”

He then comes to the third person of the Trinity. “The union between the Father and Son is such a live concrete thing that this union itself is a Person.” Lewis goes on to describe how this can be, and he describes the different roles of each person in the Trinity in bringing us humans back into the life and love of God (how the Trinity brings about this history of the redemption of a fallen world and humanity).

The Son, “streaming forth from the Father” enters the world and becomes a man; he is the Mediator, the bridge between us and the Father, and our way of knowing what the Father is like. The Holy Spirit is within us and acts through us. Like the Son, the Spirit reveals God to us, but in a different way.

Understanding the Trinity also helps us to understand how “God is love” (1 John 4:. Even before the creation of the world, there was love within the Trinity, and it is out of this life and love that creation came to be.

If God says he Loves, to whom was he loving before the creation or If God says he speaks, to whom does he speaking to before the creation? So communication and affection has already conceived within the Godhead where the Father loves the Son and the Son loves the Father.

If someone says that it is impossible for the three persons to become 1 being, they'll show a mathematical expression using the simple addition:

1 + 1+ 1 = 3

But How about the more complex formula?

First, multiplication works better with integers:

1 x 1 x 1 = 1

Second, the exponent comes out the same:

1^3 = 1

Third, how about an infinite number of sets of things? This works better:

Infinity + infinity + infinity = infinity.

[Kenshiro]

Does salvation depend on this commandment? Yes, says the Bible! Jesus made this clear when another man approached Jesus to learn from him (see Mark 10:17-29). The man fell on his knees and said to Jesus: “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” Jesus replied: “Why do you call me good? No one is good — except God alone.” - Mark 10:17-18

Aha! why did you stop in this verse? Yes Jesus honored God but aside from keeping the commandments he has to follow Jesus and take up the cross symbolizing acceptance of the cross.
And he answered and said unto him, Teacher, all these have I observed from my youth.
Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
Mark 19:21

You know if we based the story of Jesus in the Quran the Quran didn't even tell the correct account of Jesus. It says that Jesus did not die on the Cross but was caught up to God.

That they said: We killed Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah – but they did not kill him, neither did they crucify him, but so it was made to appear to them. And those who differ about it are full of doubts, with no knowledge but only conjecture to follow. They certainly did not kill him – no, Allah raised him up unto himself; and Allah is exalted in power, wise. (4:157-15

The death of Christ was clearly foretold in prophecy of the old testament.

Zechariah 12:10 (NIV) "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.

Psalms 22:16 (NIV) Dogs have surrounded me; a band of evil men has encircled me, they have pierced my hands and my feet.

Psalms 22:15 (NIV) My strength is dried up like a potsherd, and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth; you lay me in the dust of death.

Isaiah 53:9-12 (NIV)
He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death, though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth. 10 Yet it was the Lord's will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the LORD makes his life a guilt offering, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand. 11 After the suffering of his soul, he will see the light of life and be satisfied ; by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many, and he will bear their iniquities. 12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

This proves beyond doubt that if people want to get eternal life they must know that the One, whom Jesus was praying to, is the only true God, and they must know that Jesus was sent by the true God. Some say that the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God. But Jesus said that the Father alone is the only true God. True followers of Jesus will follow him in this too. Jesus had said that his true followers are those who hold to his teachings. He said: “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples.” (John 8:31). His teaching is that people must continue to keep the commandments, especially the first commandment which emphasizes that God is alone, and that God should be loved with all our hearts and all our strengths.

Just to tell you bro the teachings of Christ and the commandment of God neither proves or disproves the divinity of Christ. They are proof of agreement and harmony.
If you want prof of Christ divinity try reading post # 1629 in this same thread.

[Kenshiro]

A little bit of copy and past regarding the Divinity of Jesus

Buddhism and Hinduism teach that the Christ, the world teacher, has experienced numerous reincarnations at different stages of human progression. Islam teaches that Jesus Christ was a prophet, but that He was not the Son of God. However, it also teaches that He was born of a virgin, worked miracles, was the Messiah, lived a sinless life, went to heaven, and is coming again before the end of the world. Judaism rejects Jesus outright. To Jews, He is an imposter.

Christians themselves are divided in their attitudes toward Jesus. Some see Him as God, Saviour, Lord, and Messiah. Others refuse to accept His divinity, choosing to see Him as a special created being.

Let us consider the claims made in the New Testament about Christ's deity:

A. Equal with God

Jesus made it clear that He was the Son of God, and had equality with God.

Again the high priest asked Him, saying to Him, "Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?" Jesus said, "I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven" (Mark 14:61-62 NKJV).

But Jesus answered them, "My Father has been working until now, and I have been working." Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was his Father, making Himself equal with God (John 5:17-18 NKJV).

"I and My Father are one." Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, "Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone me?" The Jews answered Him, saying, "For a good work we do not stone you, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God" (John 10:30-33 NKJV).

B. Deserving of Worship

Nowhere in the New Testament do we find Jesus rebuking those that worshiped Him or directly addressed Him as God.

And when they got into the boat, the wind ceased. Then those who were in the boat came and worshiped Him, saying "Truly You are the Son of God" (Matthew 14:32-33 NKJV).

Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" (John 20:28 NKJV).

God is the only one worthy of worship. Angels and humans have no right to claim worship from a fellow created being. Two examples in the scriptures neatly emphasize this point:

When John was shown the New Jerusalem in vision, he fell at the feet of his angel-guide to worship him, but the angel reprimanded him, saying, "See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God" (Revelation 22:9).

When the apostle Peter visited the home of Cornelius, he was so overwhelmed that he fell at Peter’s feet to worship him, but the apostle said, "Stand up; I myself also am a man" (Acts 10:26).

C. Divine Lord and Creator

There are some religious groups that deny the humanity of Christ, and others than deny His divinity. The Scriptures, however, clearly confirm both His humanity and His divinity. Christ is the Creator of all things. He is the Saviour and Lord of all. The name Jesus literally means “‘the existing One," the Saviour.

By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses. Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him. For he spake and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast (Psalm 33:6-9 KJV).

The New Testament confirms that Jesus Christ is the Creator and the Christ:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made (John 1:1-3).

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him (Colossians 1:16 KJV).

Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ (Acts 2:36).

And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father (Philippians 2:11).

Jesus emphatically claimed to be God—that He was the self-existent one who preceded all things. He said, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am" (John 8:5.

The Greek word used here for “I am” is eimi, which means “to exist.” It clearly emphasizes the fact that Jesus is God. This “I am” is the same “I am” that spoke to Moses in the burning bush (Exodus 3:14).

The accurate prophecies in the Bible that pertain to the Messiah are all fulfilled in Jesus. No other individual can claim His messiahship. He is the Prince of Peace, the Lamb that was slain, and "in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily" (Colossians 2:9). Jesus said, "All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth (Matthew 28:1.

And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:14-18 KJV

The stage is set and the claims of Jesus are clear. In spite of this, the world is watering down these truths to accommodate all religions in a final confederacy aligned against the Word. This great conflict will culminate in the climax of history, when Christ returns and the kingdom shall be given into His hand.

Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power (1 Corinthians 15:24).

Source
http://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-dece...orship_Creator

[SioDenz]

ayaw liboga
okay...
Ang atong kaluwasan part natuman na sa Ginoo didto sa krus, when Jesus said "IT IS FINISHED".
Pasabot nga kita duna nay paglaum balik ngadto sa Ginoo pinaagi sa pagdawat ug pagsunod ni Ginoong Hesukristo. Dili na pasabot nga kitang tanan naluwas na. Only those who accept!

Ang kaluwasan naa nana giandam to those who is willing to accept it. Dli na nimo maangkon kung dili ka modawat.
Libog gihapon ka?

Mao bah?
So unsay requirements para maka ingun ka nga imu na gi accept ang kaluwasan?

Unya kung mu accept ko, kinsay dunay katungod mu judge nko If tinuod akong pag accept or dili? OR kinsay dunay last say IF naa naba nko ang grasya sa kaluwasan or wala Pa?