MERGED: RP-China Territorial Dispute, Related Events and Updates

[bleedingboi]

Bai, laban ka anang abno nga noy noy? Wa siguro ka kaila ug gubat noh? Basig gahanan ka mo tilaw ug gubat mga hurot na imong paryente kamatay?

Diplomatic ra gyd pirmi ni, kung di madala, ibaligya or ihatag na na ang disputed islands, di na ta dapat mag apil apil ana.

Na unsa naman ng utoka intawn. Ga to-o siguro ug ti aw ti aw ra ning gubat ai..

Wala man gani mag in-ani ang Israel nga kadaghan sa ilang nukes.. Gamita nang utok ninyo doh!

So kung pareha ug utok ang mga pilipino nimu sa una world war 2, dugay rata gpangsakop sa hapon. Nakakita ka sa mapa brod? Nakakita ka unsa ka duol ang shoal sa atoa?

Nakaila ka ug Psychewar? Mao ni, psychewar ra ni. We are not waging war against China, but are making sure that the international community will sympathize with us. We are standing our grounds and rights to soveriegnty sa ato isdaan. Kasabot ka? ( ATO ISDAAN.)

[omniknight]

So kung pareha ug utok ang mga pilipino nimu sa una world war 2, dugay rata gpangl*b*t sa hapon. Nakakita ka sa mapa brod? Nakakita ka unsa ka duol ang shoal sa atoa?

Nakaila ka ug Psychewar? Mao ni, psychewar ra ni. We are not waging war against China, but are making sure that the international community will sympathize with us. We are standing our grounds and rights to soveriegnty sa ato isdaan. Kasabot ka? ( ATO ISDAAN.)

So, sa imong pasabot na psychological war ra gyd ni as in? As in wala gyd ni threat physically? Kanang gubat rani sa utok? Sure gyd ha?

[bleedingboi]

but vietnam won against US...

The US lost that war because it was crafted politically, and the politicians who initiated that war screwed up, majority of the American population was against that war. Now, imagine the USA on WW2, that's a war supported by the whole US population. Yes, it will be the same with China, But we need the sympathy of the world/ allies to topple China.

[omniknight]

So kung pareha ug utok ang mga pilipino nimu sa una world war 2, dugay rata gpangl*b*t sa hapon. Nakakita ka sa mapa brod? Nakakita ka unsa ka duol ang shoal sa atoa?

International treaty sa Paris bro nag sulti nga "dili" na apil sa atong territory.

Naunsa na gud tawn ngano gud na i kumpara man ni sauna nga lahi raman ang situation karon. Naa pa tay chance na mo evade ug kasamok/tension/gubat na maka daut sa atong economy.

Ngano pud gud tawn dili ta mo sukol kung angkonon/sudlon na gyd atong territory, pero ang Scarborough Shoal dili na apil sa atong territory.

[ingkiang]

unsaon kaha pgkahusay ani diplomatically kng dli sila gusto e adto ug international court...tsk...tsk..tsk...

Source: Beijing warns Manila on sea dispute

[ingkiang]

International treaty sa Paris bro nag sulti nga "dili" na apil sa atong territory.

Naunsa na gud tawn ngano gud na i kumpara man ni sauna nga lahi raman ang situation karon. Naa pa tay chance na mo evade ug kasamok/tension/gubat na maka daut sa atong economy.

Ngano pud gud tawn dili ta mo sukol kung angkonon/sudlon na gyd atong territory, pero ang Scarborough Shoal dili na apil sa atong territory.

anha nata mosukol kng na corner nata?
but how come ni sign ang china sa UNCLOS?

[bleedingboi]

International treaty sa Paris bro nag sulti nga "dili" na apil sa atong territory.

Naunsa na gud tawn ngano gud na i kumpara man ni sauna nga lahi raman ang situation karon. Naa pa tay chance na mo evade ug kasamok/tension/gubat na maka daut sa atong economy.

Ngano pud gud tawn dili ta mo sukol kung angkonon/sudlon na gyd atong territory, pero ang Scarborough Shoal dili na apil sa atong territory.

Bro, di ko ignorante anang treaty of paris. If you have read this book, I'm actually looking at it right now. "The avalon project "
Avalon Project - Treaty of Peace Between the United States and Spain; December 10, 1898

Sure ka nakasabot ka sa issue? Nakakita jud ka sa Mapa? Kabalo ka why dli musugot ang China i-raise ni through International Courts? I'll give you some reasons why pirmi daog ang Pinas against China if mag rule ang International court ani.


>On 1792, a map drawn by the Malaspina expedition and published in 1808 in Madrid, Spain also showed Bajo de Masinloc as part of Philippine territory.
Scarborough Shoal was known as Bajo de Masinloc way before the Americans came.

>There was a topographic map drawn in 1820 shows the shoal, named there as "Bajo Scarburo", as a constituent part of Sambalez (Zambales province).

>These island maps were reproduced in the Atlas of the 1939 Philippine Census, predates the controversial 1947 Chinese South China Sea Claim Map that shows no chinese name on it.
( See? Even the census at that time, nagshow na wlay Chinese names nga naka register ani, and speaking of census, these are like patents)

> And lastly, the Philippines will base this area as ours due to the fact that Scarborough Shoal is under the principle of Terra Nullius, meaning land belonging to no one. And the proximity of the area to ours.
By virtue of the Presidential Decree No. 1599 issued by President Ferdinand Marcos on June 1978, the Philippines claims an Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) up to 200 nautical miles (370 km) from the baselines from which their territorial sea is measured.

Brod, ayaw na ibalik2x ang Treaty of Paris sa ani nga argument, dli na xa valid, gpul-an nako paminaw ana. Ang treaty of Paris wla nag apil sa rock features of Bajo de Masinloc , and is not premised on the cession by Spain because Spanish officials coined the area as " Philippine waters" not Philippine rocks or islands.

Kay if valid pa na, then kana na ang gamiton sa China to be used for International Court ruling. Dugay ra sila gsugot, understand?

[bleedingboi]

[QUOTE=omniknight;12523876]


Naka compare raman ko nimu bro, kay ang imu statement ganina na" ihatag nlang na sa ila". Tan awa pila ka Istoryans ang nagreact. So kung ang utok sa pinoy sa una, pareha sa imu utok karon, dugay rata gidapig sa mga Hapon, dli sa mga Amerikano.

[higanstolsdawen]

very good info bosing, most of us dont know this facts regarding scarborough shoal. among nahebaw an kay duol ne nga island sa pilipinas compared sa china.

Bro, di ko ignorante anang treaty of paris. If you have read this book, I'm actually looking at it right now. "The avalon project "
Avalon Project - Treaty of Peace Between the United States and Spain; December 10, 1898

Sure ka nakasabot ka sa issue? Nakakita jud ka sa Mapa? Kabalo ka why dli musugot ang China i-raise ni through International Courts? I'll give you some reasons why pirmi daog ang Pinas against China if mag rule ang International court ani.


>On 1792, a map drawn by the Malaspina expedition and published in 1808 in Madrid, Spain also showed Bajo de Masinloc as part of Philippine territory.
Scarborough Shoal was known as Bajo de Masinloc way before the Americans came.

>There was a topographic map drawn in 1820 shows the shoal, named there as "Bajo Scarburo", as a constituent part of Sambalez (Zambales province).

>These island maps were reproduced in the Atlas of the 1939 Philippine Census, predates the controversial 1947 Chinese South China Sea Claim Map that shows no chinese name on it.
( See? Even the census at that time, nagshow na wlay Chinese names nga naka register ani, and speaking of census, these are like patents)

> And lastly, the Philippines will base this area as ours due to the fact that Scarborough Shoal is under the principle of Terra Nullius, meaning land belonging to no one. And the proximity of the area to ours.
By virtue of the Presidential Decree No. 1599 issued by President Ferdinand Marcos on June 1978, the Philippines claims an Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) up to 200 nautical miles (370 km) from the baselines from which their territorial sea is measured.

Brod, ayaw na ibalik2x ang Treaty of Paris sa ani nga argument, dli na xa valid, gpul-an nako paminaw ana. Ang treaty of Paris wla nag apil sa rock features of Bajo de Masinloc , and is not premised on the cession by Spain because Spanish officials coined the area as " Philippine waters" not Philippine rocks or islands.

Kay if valid pa na, then kana na ang gamiton sa China to be used for International Court ruling. Dugay ra sila gsugot, understand?

[bleedingboi]

Thank you Brother.
Keep the pinoy pride up. We own these areas, and no one, not even the second, or the third most powerful nation in the world can claim it.