Ngano man daghan nag lagot sa Networking Business?

[lodyl]

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kung sa chess pa, naa man gani KING, naa pod pawns

Mao bai... ang kings kay kanang mga top sa pyramid while ang pawns kay kanang mga downlines.......

[lodyl]

Aligreha aning tawgon ug business partners oi.. pagsure.. lelz..

Mao baya ni ang kasagaran rason sa mga networkers bai... kinsa gud dili ganahan moapil nga automatic naa naka business kay "business partner" gud mo... di ba?

[quantuminplus]

business partner..... lagyo kaau ang difference sa kita....hehhehe.... mas maau pa balance para ang uban partner..... ganahan gyud mo kayod ug maau....

[Dorjan]

@messerchtmitt

Young professionals in Singapore are encouraged by their government to be an entrepreneur or technopreneur. You will pass through scrutiny by the government if you are talking about MLM in your business, they are quite strict with regards to MLM.

I’m sorry to say my friend; you have used the wrong example. First point is mine. We are also in Singapore. Yes, they are very strict; thank you for that example my friend.

I said it's a matter of innovation that makes your business unique and salable. We have of different background, upbringing, education, beliefs and skills, you are into MLM while I'm not but my aim is to own a company not a partner of that MLM where you cannot say do this or do that because of the bosses above you. The bad thing in doing business in the Philippines is that you can sell what others sells. As you can see in the food court, everybody can sell softdrinks. You have said that business statistics are discouraging, my answer: It is discouraging because you are into MLM business in which you believe as encouraging. Mine is discouraging, in my experience and based on the links I posted it here especially Wikipedia, sounds like discouraging
I never said that Network Marketing is easy, it is also discouraging. Yes, it is. It is business. As I have said, a thousand times, this is not for everyone. I never said that I don’t like traditional business. Let me tell what I like: all things that make money legally. I love traditional business, franchise business, stocks, MFs, bonds, etc. – and Network Marketing. As an entrepreneur, I analyze if how fast is the ROI, and how long the streams of profits can sustain later on. I consider Network Marketing as just another money-making machine. Wa ko ga dali. I believe “the company” will live longer than I could live.

There are businesses do not grow. Have you consider the statistics of how many MLM members have failed? Your statement is of course in favor to you but you are sounds biased. Check this out,
The 10 Big Lies of Multi-Level Marketing
MLM Failure – The Success Rate of Network Marketers

Yes my friend, I have considered it. You should have read my previous posts, I believe I have posted na why Network Marketing has high failure rates. But if we really consider everything: esp. the investment costs.; the failure rates of small businesses is much devastating than of network marketing. By the way, have you really read jud that links? Esp. the 2nd one you have posted? Or you do not understand what it is about? Tsk3X.

You are wrong! I tell you too in your face, network marketing is not the easiest way to do business especially to those people who have meager income. I ask you does your MLM business ask for a membership fee worth a thousands in return to your product? Membership fee I think is just the cover to avoid legalities, in behind the curtain is the same as you are buying a product of your MLM business at high price while there are cheap alternatives in the market.

My friend, I do not want to tell this straight in your face, but my MLM company gives its distributors the choice on how they want to start, we can start with 1 box. Our products are not tied with our membership fees. The company have lots of confidence on our products, sorry to tell you. And, legit companies have “buy back” policy (up to 90% of the price paid can be returned). Within a reasonable timeframe from last purchase, the unsold, unopened, unused, unexpired, undamaged inventory held by distributors resigning from the company. An also, there is absolutely no inducement for inventory loading; an obligation to sell at least 70% of their previously acquired inventory before distributors are allowed to make a repurchase. About our products, it is a supplement, yes there are many supplements. But there are no supplement as certified as the one we are selling, even Halal and NSF Sports accreditation are awarded to our supplement. It passed the strictest or the golden standard of all clinical studies, the one intended for prescriptive drugs; then, it was awarded by the US Patent Office – a Composition Patent. This patent is not the same as the one you have on your Vitamin C, that patent is Utility Patent that allows minor changes of the composition and sell it legally with another name. The xcompany also applies for 2 compostion patents, so it is 60 years. The composition patent is very rare, in whole medical history, only 16 composition patents are awarded. We got the 16th. The other 15 are prescriptive drugs that are sold by the leading pharmaceuticals at very expensive prices. The composition patent is also a protection for the consumers, to make sure that they will have the same results in accordance with the clinical studies.

My friend, every marketing people involves lies just to close the sale. I don't believe that you didn't lie to your customers. Many people have tried MLM business as you have said and not for everyone's business because they failed. I tell you once again in your face that these people are the victims of the lies behind the MLM network business because MLM members are trying to devour the innocent victim to join their MLM business. Swindling is a skills and the way I see to your statement that this kinda industry is not really about building a customer-distributor relationship, it's a building of lies between distributors.

My friend, I am sorry to disappoint you, but I do not have the need to lie. Wa ko ga dali, this business will stay, not forever but longer than I would expect to live. Lying will only destroy this kind of business, our own integrity is our best asset because our money comes from repeat purchases. Who would continue to do a repeat purchase with that kind of person? It is common sense, I wouldn’t destroy my business for a single purchase. Real good relationships are the foundations of future residual income. And for the record, I wouldn’t lie even given a chance (as humanly as possible), please stop using your own cynical standards, my friend. Don’t worry, many people are like you, and I am proud to announce that I am not one of them. Slowly, I am beginning to see the networkers that we both hate so much - in you. Have you tried to see the mirror lately?

In selling, you are the stakeholder of the company not a partner or just an employee of that MLM company with no salary. A partner in a company should have also involved in Securities and Exchange Commission. Can you show me your copies of Articles of Partnerships or Articles of Incorporation and your name affixed to it before you can say you are a partner to that company. My own little understanding, you are an employee of that company.

Yes, in your own little understanding I am an employee with no fixed income. But not according to our Independent Distributor Agreement. We are an asset my friend, we are partners. Yes, we cannot change the prices, and we are not directly part of other corporate decisions. We cannot dictate them. But have you also considered that they cannot dictate as what to do as well? It is a partnership, and let me define that for you. We have our own set of roles to play. They give the products, we give the cash. And, Business 101, all aspect of the business should be in harmony for the business to sustain. The corporate decisions are results of unspoken invisible mutual understandings of both sides. They will benefit more on a sustainable business, look at Amway, look at Avon. The corporate leaders ang mas lugi my friend if mg close sila, they will have to put up another xcompany if inana, another money out. The distributor, that are REAL ASSETS (not all sdistributors are assets by the way, tyg mg libog ka), will just have to transfer to another company. That won’t destroy our name, it is out of our control. With all the learnings and money we obtained and also the real friends (our group), we will have higher advantages on another company. Mas louy jud ang company in the company closure.

Who made your industry looks bad? Is it your own people? Who abused it? It's a cause and effect scenario.

Yes the systems really works on the part of the owner not you as so called partner. There are two types of person, the learned and the educated. What do you think in my experience I didn't considered the MLM business before I go for other business? You have to consider on both sides, you have to be open minded and you have to be clear and believe it first but before you invest your money you have to study the market, the competition, the value of your product and future of your business and others. In conclusion I consider it as a scam and illegal.

My friend, before I start, what is the difference of the learned and the educated?
Please don’t complicate things my friend, I know what you are implying, it all boils down lang on who is better on both of us jud. How many experiences do you have? Does that really matter? My friend, please don’t tell me on how to do a good business, you do not know me and I do not know you. Like you, I have studied the market, the competition, the products, the pay plan, the company’s stability, the founders and leaders’ integrity, their vision and if it is really possible. I also studied the teams and the culture within. I have done my due diligence in research – objective and extensive. After all that, I share the vision of the founders – I realized that this will really work. In conclusion, I consider it as one of my best investments. My friend, I would not blame you for having met a wrong company. But it disappoints me on how you make your conclusions on the industry, you should have done better. If I am you, I would just say that it is not a good company. I evaluate the Network Marketing industry independent from the companies. I do not say the tree is a bad tree if I will see a lot of bad fruits fall from it. I will just say that it produces bad fruits. Well, I am lucky that after a few bad fruits (of course wala ko ni apil nila), I have finally found a good fruit and that proves that the tree is a good tree. Good Trees can bear good or bad fruits. Bad Trees will never bear good fruits. I have found a good fruit, therefore, Logic 101, it is a good tree. Hehe.  By the way, now, I have seen a lot of other good fruits pd (pero mas daghan jud bad fruits). With all the other good fruits I have seen, as of today, this company is the best fruit. IMHO.

Where did you get these facts or is that a product of your imagination?
"We are in the hard times", Is it MLM business adding hard times? Is your MLM business a secured business as compared to employment?
Are you out of your nuts? A janitor earning 10k right now and the next will earn 8k, that sounds crazy. Did you know that an employee is protected by the labor code?
Of course, if you are lazy no revenue will come in. The same thing with businesses, you have to work overtime. Sounds that you don't own a food business. If you treat your employee like that then they will get out and look for a better opportunities.
I'm just speculating, what you own right now is the membership of whomever that MLM business not a food stall in the food court.

My friend, those are not facts. Those are my fearless forecasts, hehehe. Suya? Haha. You don’t understand, I am saying that the world will slowly shift to Performance-Based Compensations or a Results-Oriented world. Etc2X. read my previous posts nlng oi, kapoy balik. Of course I know that the employees are protected by the labor code, haha. You sound funny. I treat employees as good liabilities; I am very honest with them. Amo two employees receives the highest pay in that foodcourt, di sa panghambog.hehe. But liabilities they are. Dako sila sweldo pero naka try ko og tapolan ayu, mao ako gi commission-based sila ky food stall business mn pd. Naningkamot lagi. Liabilities are the ones that getting money out of your pocket. I am not really saying it as a fact that employees are liabilities, I am just saying that those employees in big corporations are liabilities to the company owners. They will try to make out the best out of what they are paying for them. Employees are liabilities on their minds. Esp. to the shareholders. Because as simple as Shareholders will be happy if the less employees they have. If they are assets pa lang, shareholders will be happy if daghan sila. In a real network marketing company, why I have said that, shareholders will be very happy to have many distributors – thus we are assets. They love us. Hahaha.

You are very wrong my friend! Employees are the stakeholder of the company, they are the contributors for the growth of the company. You don't get the logic. If the employees is to be considered as a LIABILITY of the company, why do they hire manpower or people as an employee to work for their company? Does your company prospers if you don't have an employee to support you in your business? Does your MLM company hires people? If it so then your employee is not the liability. No man is an island my friend.

My friend, you have been indoctrinated by these so called MLM business.

Wow, tell that to the company owners who just fired or laid-off thousands of our kababayans. If not laid-off, they are underpaid and over-worked. The number of employees is NOT directly proportional to the net profits my friend. I would really insist you read my previous posts, ky ga balik2X ko. Dili zd pasabot na if liability my friend, that is a bad thing na. Haaai. This is going nowhere.

“My friend, you have been indoctrinated by these so called MLM business.” --- bwaahahahahaha.

They teach us, but mostly about the products and how to present and always remind us of the code of ethics we should follow. I never appreciate hype my friend, I study, study and study – everyday. Dili lang about network marketing, I study a lot of things. I am open. But it doesn’t mean I accept that easily. I have gone to a lot of seminars or business presentations, I never joined any. Ang kinalagotan nako ky ang UNO, dili na nako kailangan isulti why ky I know na mas kamao pa mo ana, ky most ninyo ky members jud, nagpa ilad jud! Hahaha. Haaai, matakdan mn zd ta sa energy diri oi. Sorry sa sungog.

Note: I am sorry if I have hurt someone. Di ko nahan away.

[Dorjan]

To all others na wa nako na replyan: hahahah.

sorry. kapoy reply zd gud. tyg ma block na ko diri. wala na mo lingaw. hehehe.
ayaw ko ninyo ipa block ha, og peace lang ta oi... di ta away... nothing personal.
we just didn't agree on our beliefs and we don't see the same things mn pd.

[Dorjan]

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha... Naka hinumdom man hinuon ko ni Noel Velasquez of Planetbiz(Planet Mobile Tech) ani bai... "Business Partners" daw niya ang mga nagpa member sa iyahang MLM company, pero if you come to think of it, unsaon man pagka "business partner" sa mo join nga wala man sila power to decide on anything about the company. Pwede diay sila maka vote let's say if they want to add a compensation plan or decrease the price of the product? Dili man guro di ba?

Bwaaahahahaha! i just have to reply this one. hehe.

[yacky2006]

Naa koy na bantanyan ani nga negosyo baya
Kasagaran senior member/recruiter kay mao rang mga tawhana

Sa una kada naay mo invite nako mo adto gyud ko maminaw sa presentation
Adto nasad sa lain company maminaw rako ug nigahin lang sad kog oras kay migo/miga lagi
Giganahan rasad kog paminaw/apil then lakaw or palabay ra sa pikas dunggan

Kadugayan na amigo na nako ang mga presentator kay mao raman gud
Na realize nako panginabuhi gyud diay na nila mag ambak2x/mag lain2x company lang

Karon wala nay mo invite nako hehehehe kay mo invite usahay mao may maulaw na kay mag una naman tong kaila ga balik na ug present

[messerchtmitt]

@Dorjan: You are uneducated nor learned, the way you reacted to my statements is somehow unprofessional. I have been into business for more than 20 years and I find your MLM business not convincing.

I am living in Singapore right now, Only Filipinos are dealing your products but it is not registered with the Singaporean government. My Singaporean friend who got involved in MLM business in Manila and tried to introduced the market in his place but was discouraged by the Ministry of Trade and Industry. You are assuming that your business is totally legal. I say Nope it's not totally legal, there are processes that's good to be true but behind the curtain there are hidden agenda. Even in the United States, they considered it as a scam. I would suggest try to do MLM business in Malaysia. I have known a lot in there.

Sorry to say "NAA PA'Y GATAS SA IMONG BA-BA!" and you will need to eat more rice to be a better businessman. I don't think you are a businessman, I think you are just merely an employee. Your food business in a mall is a LIE. You are making your own story with no proof as I asked you where did you get those facts? You said fearless forecast, do we need to be afraid to forecast? That's your own forecasting. You are illogical.

I am not a member of any MLM businesses not even UNO. I have been invited thrice by these MLM and been invited with numerous MLM and maybe including yours but I wasn't convinced. What they're after is my money in exchange of their products that was acquired cheap and sold it at a higher price.

Let me tell you this in your face: I am into IT training, there is an opportunity that offers me my services as corporate training provider to a certain company. Now the requirements is not my forte, so I will need to HIRE an expert to handle for that requirements. This expert I hired is not my LIABILITIES, It is considered as my ASSET in the company because these experts contributed a revenue to my company. If I don't hire, I will missed the opportunity in which I could not handle. Did you get my point?

Therefore, your employee is not your liability. In your mindset they are liability because you are greedy. you can't do all things, you will need a support/collaborators to do business.

Your employees are your ASSETS, just like you, as an employee of that MLM business, you are also an asset to them. In conclusion, you DO NOT OWN a food business. Maybe it's a sari-sari store.

If you don't want trouble then talk professionally. As you have said, "I don't know you, you don't know me" but I know you by way how you reacted on those comments. Think of it.

A professional businessman doesn't react "bwahahaha", "suya?" Sounds like an idiot. Not even a learned one doesn't react like that.

[Dorjan]

@messerchtmitt

Well, you provoked me. Read your previous posts. You are always implying that because you have that 20 years of experience, you are always better than me by default. If we are talking other than network marketing, I would even salute you sir. In this forum, I have read most of the threads, and many here are bullies, you are one of them. Many here put down people on what they believe, unknowing of what those people have seen.

Sir, you should have talked to me like this from the start. Anyway, I am really sorry for my behavior. Yes, I reacted inappropriately. But please, stop boasting about how good you are in business, we could just stick to the discussion. You are trying to beef up your arguments by beefing up yourself. Sir, with all due respect, you are wrong, I have a small food business in a foodcourt in a "not-so-famous" na mall. Everything I have said is true. But I don't want to settle on that, as much as possible, let us focus on the topic sir.

Sir, we operated LEGALLY in Singapore and other 6 countries. 3 other countries will open this year. Our company is just 5 years old. If a company is less than 5 years old, that is no good. Sir, have you seen any network marketing that has a "buy back policy"? A company with that what I have described in my previous posts? If not, maybe you are concluding the industry like an amateur businessman.

Sir, liability is not a bad thing. It is part of business. There is always a liability and an asset. There should always be a balance. People mistakenly call their house an asset, well in fact it is a liability. Sir, are we going to say that we should not own a house? No. We should own one. We should just calculate how much these liability are getting money out from us and how much are they giving in return (the benefits). Employees appear in the liabilities book of the shareholders. And, when things are not doing pretty well, that book is what they will ask. That is business. I do not see liability as a bad thing. With all due honesty sir, my employees love me so much, I know they contribute a lot to the business, that is why I rewarded them fairly above what they expect. I do not have a sari-sari store sir, but I also have a small RTW store. Sir, Yes, naa pa gatas ako baba and I have to eat a lot more rice to be a better businessman jud. I agree to that sir. Being a true entrepreneur is a never ending process of learning. Sir, with all due respect, I believe that you still need to drink a lot of milk and eat a lot of rice too. How old are you sir if I may ask?

Sir, I have reacted inappropriately. But haven't you noticed this is how you guys really play in here? If you have not known that sir, maybe you are so blind to your own beliefs - or maybe you are the one that is indoctrinated. Let me tell you sir why you people are so aggressive against me. You are all uncomfortable. You are so fixated to this idea. You love this idea. The idea that Network Marketing is bad. And, I challenge that idea. Yes, that is hard for people like you jud, ky if network marketing na hisgotan, you people just pause and just think everything on what is the best way to best say on how bad this industry is. Then Google becomes your best tool dayon. Then, you tried to put all the negative words you can think of with the network marketing on that Google little white box. Network marketing scam, network marketing failure, etc2X. You are going to come back again to this site with that golden informations you are dying to share, you posted links. Links you didn't even care to read, I read the articles that you link sir about the network marketing failure rate, it is not that supporting to your arguments by the way. Try objectivity once in a while.

Sir, from the beginning of our discussion, you presented some arguments, I gave my inputs point by point. After that, it is either you shifted to other points or you try to bring up AGAIN your business background, which is inappropriate by the way. Do you accept all the points that I have made back then? If not, I am waiting for your good rebuttals, not of this personal thingy.

[messerchtmitt]

@Dorjan:

I am not boasting in relation to business, I have been ups and downs including my experience with MLM businesses. We are just a human being, we are not perfect. I learned from failures and mistakes in the past and not trying to put you down as I have tried not to bully somebody else. But the way you reacted on the comments, I may have said against you. I feel being bullied. That's the reason I have posted my reply against you, it's a "Cause and Effect".

Once again, I never heard an MLM in Singapore except some Filipinos doing it. If there is really a legitimate MLM business in SG, why my Singaporean friend need to go to Manila just to join the business and even introduced it his place.

Who told you that a liability is a bad thing? I agree that part of the employees salary are considered to be a liability but the company is earning a profit out of it. Yes I believe that an entrepreneur is a never ending process. Unfortunately, I never drink milk, I only drink cappuccino and a few rice in a bowl.

You have to understand the people in this forum as I have said that we are coming from different environment, upbringings, growth and beliefs. You cannot pleased everybody. And of course every business may involve money including MLM. Now I have these hard-earned money and the MLM guy invites me to join, then what you are going to do first? Of course, you have to think twice before joining and I'm not like you. I kept on asking questions, I tried to be a devil's advocate trying to dig deeper on what's behind the business before joining. I'm not gonna waste my hard-earned money to a scam. You are fortunate as you have believed that the MLM business you choose is a good one. I have told you I have been invited by numerous MLM presentations and no one was able to convince me.

The people in MLM industry makes me conclude that their businesses is a scam, not just in google. The link I have posted is the Wikipedia besides the other links. In Wikipedia, it also states the negative of the MLM business. What do you want me to do a research? Asking you that is so biased and one-ended? I also considers other tools for my research. You may include some tools like Bing and Yahoo.

Hey, I shifted up because I'm trying to make an arguments against on what you believed in MLM.