Ngano man daghan nag lagot sa Networking Business?

[UnleashRO.com]

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ganahan mo mangilad para lang maka kwarta?
imo ilaron imong migo para ma apil unya binary style?
sa kataposan wla ka naka huna huna nga gi ilad nimo imong isigkataw pina-agi sa pag tabon sa idea nga ka kugi?

maypa ang tindira sa SM bisag walay baligya naay sweldo, pero networking hala pamaligya para maka kwarta ug sa kataposan dili kaha ka maka pangutana kung pamaligya ba gyud ni imoha o pangilad nga gitago sa rason nga "naka benipisyo man sa producto"?

[Dorjan]

ganahan mo mangilad para lang maka kwarta?
imo ilaron imong migo para ma apil unya binary style?
sa kataposan wla ka naka huna huna nga gi ilad nimo imong isigkataw pina-agi sa pag tabon sa idea nga ka kugi?

Sorry to break it to you bro, pero ka pila nako balik2X, there is a GOOD network marketing and there is a BAD network marketing. I would ask you to read all the previous posts bro, and let us talk again.

[UnleashRO.com]

Sorry to break it to you bro, pero ka pila nako balik2X, there is a GOOD network marketing and there is a BAD network marketing. I would ask you to read all the previous posts bro, and let us talk again.

bottom line is :
[1] ang naa sa ubos maninguha ug pangita idout pod sa ubos nila para mahayahay sila
[2] pyramid from the shape itself shows the benefits are only enjoyed by the top
[3] there is more people in the bottom part doing all the hardwork so that people on the upper part enjoys benefits
[4] tabla ra ni sa karaang caste system, hari > sundalo > mag uuma , sa kataposan ang mag uuma ra gyud ang mag lihok
[5] uu butangan ug alternative pero ang main gyud ani kay pyramiding = scam

ambot lang gyud aning DTI nato, bisag kabalo sila nga scam e approve pa gyud kay bago ang style = style sa scamming

[messerchtmitt]

@Dorjan:

Yes, it is viable. I never said it isn't. Me, myself, is also doing a traditional business, but it is not really a company. And, I am telling this based on experience, making your own traditional business is not just hard but is really really hard. I would not want to go out of topic, but let me just summarize how hard it is. In the foodcourt we are in, in just 2 months time, I have seen 3 food business went down, all those people invested more than I did, they are also as old as my father. One of them invested almost thrice of my investment. My total investments would be around 150k. Another food business there went down on the 4th month. I am not against traditional business, or making your own good company because the dream of owning own company is always the ultimate purpose of starting a small business. But the statistics are really not that enxcouraging.

Young professionals in Singapore are encouraged by their government to be an entrepreneur or technopreneur. You will pass through scrutiny by the government if you are talking about MLM in your business, they are quite strict with regards to MLM.

I said it's a matter of innovation that makes your business unique and salable. We have of different background, upbringing, education, beliefs and skills, you are into MLM while I'm not but my aim is to own a company not a partner of that MLM where you cannot say do this or do that because of the bosses above you. The bad thing in doing business in the Philippines is that you can sell what others sells. As you can see in the food court, everybody can sell softdrinks. You have said that business statistics are discouraging, my answer: It is discouraging because you are into MLM business in which you believe as encouraging. Mine is discouraging, in my experience and based on the links I posted it here especially Wikipedia, sounds like discouraging





Number of Establishments
As of 2009 count, there are 780,437 business enterprises operating in the Philippines. Of these, 99.6% (777,357) are micro, small, and medium enterprises (MSMEs) and the remaining 0.4% (3,080) are large enterprises. Of the total number of MSMEs, 91.4% (710,822) are micro enterprises, 8.2% (63,529) are small enterprises, and 0.4% (3,006) are medium enterprises.

Source: Department of Trade and Industry - MICRO, SMALL AND MEDIUM ENTERPRISES (MSMES) - Statistics

To summarize, 99.6% are MSMEs and only 0.4% are large businesses. On that 99.6%, only 0.4% are medium businesses. 8.2% are small businesses. and 91.4% are micro businesses. Micro businesses are businesses that have less than P 1,500,001 of capital. It also shows that 99% of all businesses do not grow to the next level in 10 years time, no growth.

And, most business experts conform to a theory of "thirds": Of all the new business startups, 1/3 eventually turn a profit, 1/3 break even, and 1/3 never leave a negative earnings scenario. According to a study by the U.S. Small Business Association, only 2/3 of all small business startups survive the first two years and less than half make it to four years. With numbers like that, it's no wonder so many would-be entrepreneurs think twice before taking the plunge. Now, if that is America that considers a company with less than 250 employees as a small business, then what do you think is the situation here in the Philippines?

There are businesses do not grow. Have you consider the statistics of how many MLM members have failed? Your statement is of course in favor to you but you are sounds biased. Check this out,

The 10 Big Lies of Multi-Level Marketing

MLM Failure – The Success Rate of Network Marketers







People, people, I am not discouraging you to do business. I am just saying that all businesses have high failure rates. And, network marketing is also a viable business and that network marketing has also high failure rates. But let me tell you straight in your face, it is because network marketing is the easiest way to enter into business. Tanan people mo try og network marketing. It is not for everyone, even if everyone maybe can afford it. Daghan ayu mo apil2X jud gihapon og mg tuga2X, this profession requires unique characteristics and skills. I am not telling anang skill na ilad2X ky mao mn na ang naka dogang jud sa failure rate diri na industry. This industry is about building a customer&distributor base of good people and good relationships jud.

You are wrong! I tell you too in your face, network marketing is not the easiest way to do business especially to those people who have meager income. I ask you does your MLM business ask for a membership fee worth a thousands in return to your product? Membership fee I think is just the cover to avoid legalities, in behind the curtain is the same as you are buying a product of your MLM business at high price while there are cheap alternatives in the market.

My friend, every marketing people involves lies just to close the sale. I don't believe that you didn't lie to your customers. Many people have tried MLM business as you have said and not for everyone's business because they failed. I tell you once again in your face that these people are the victims of the lies behind the MLM network business because MLM members are trying to devour the innocent victim to join their MLM business. Swindling is a skills and the way I see to your statement that this kinda industry is not really about building a customer-distributor relationship, it's a building of lies between distributors.




In network marketing, I do not technically own the company. I am a partner of the company. A company which is regulated by a reputable organization which is recognized by the governments around the world - The Direct Selling Associations. We are partners: The companies provides the products and we provide the cashflow. The real network marketing companies depends on its network marketing distributors, more than you think,, it is like the company depending on their shareholders, we are the lifeblood. The company needs to be in harmony with the distributors to earn profits and to even exists.

In selling, you are the stakeholder of the company not a partner or just an employee of that MLM company with no salary. A partner in a company should have also involved in Securities and Exchange Commission. Can you show me your copies of Articles of Partnerships or Articles of Incorporation and your name affixed to it before you can say you are a partner to that company. My own little understanding, you are an employee of that company.







My friend, a sari-sari store (buy and sell) is a business. Yes, we have downlines, downlines with their own sari-sari stores. Network marketing professionals are the educators, the advertisers, the distributors, ansd also part of the consumers of their own products. Yes it is abused, but the system really works; it is real, legal, effective, and efficient. Many systems are more abused and will be continually be abused, like corporate employment, and even religion, politics and government. Negativity is always part of the world, it is always the other side of the coin. So, when you see a coin, please REALLY look on both sides. Network marketing existed more than 60 years, it stays for a reason. Everything is magnified in a network marketing because most people still don't know how it really works. But don't worry DSAP and other groups are really working hard on that. 10 years in the future, the lines between legit network marketing companies and illegal schemes or scams will be much much clearer.

Who made your industry looks bad? Is it your own people? Who abused it? It's a cause and effect scenario.

Yes the systems really works on the part of the owner not you as so called partner. There are two types of person, the learned and the educated. What do you think in my experience I didn't considered the MLM business before I go for other business? You have to consider on both sides, you have to be open minded and you have to be clear and believe it first but before you invest your money you have to study the market, the competition, the value of your product and future of your business and others. In conclusion I consider it as a scam and illegal.






My friend, in the future, the fixed salaries of the employment structure is not that secured anymore. Nothing is secured, we are in the hard times my friend. The world is going to shift to performance-based compensations, please read my older posts. Even the janitor who is earning 10k a month right now. Will be decreased to 2k a month. and will have to earn the 8k by the results he provides. By being charge per room. Dili na pwesde tapol2X my friensd. Lay-offs left and right, companies closing, downsizing, rightsizing, cost-cutting, etc2X, that are common nowadays. Do you think that it will not lead to the most efficient way of distributing the company's resources? which is Performance-based compensations.

Where did you get these facts or is that a product of your imagination?

"We are in the hard times", Is it MLM business adding hard times? Is your MLM business a secured business as compared to employment?

Are you out of your nuts? A janitor earning 10k right now and the next will earn 8k, that sounds crazy. Did you know that an employee is protected by the labor code?

Of course, if you are lazy no revenue will come in. The same thing with businesses, you have to work overtime. Sounds that you don't own a food business. If you treat your employee like that then they will get out and look for a better opportunities.

I'm just speculating, what you own right now is the membership of whomever that MLM business not a food stall in the food court.





Let me end this nlng ky taas na ayu.... my friend.
Employees will always be a LIABILITY in the minds of the company owners. They will always find ways to cut your shares.
While we, the network marketing professionals, are an ASSET to the company owners. IF WE PROVE OUR WORTH, they will find ways to inxcrease our profit shares, for who would want to lose an Asset my friends?

You are very wrong my friend! Employees are the stakeholder of the company, they are the contributors for the growth of the company. You don't get the logic. If the employees is to be considered as a LIABILITY of the company, why do they hire manpower or people as an employee to work for their company? Does your company prospers if you don't have an employee to support you in your business? Does your MLM company hires people? If it so then your employee is not the liability. No man is an island my friend.

My friend, you have been indoctrinated by these so called MLM business.

Thanks for the information. I have been reading his (Go) books but I find it with lies. Sorry to say. I used to be believer and tried their teachings, suggestions, recommendations and even followed them but no to avail.

I made my own ways.

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[lodyl]

Let me end this nlng ky taas na ayu.... my friend.
Employees will always be a LIABILITY in the minds of the company owners. They will always find ways to cut your shares.
While we, the network marketing professionals, are an ASSET to the company owners. IF WE PROVE OUR WORTH, they will find ways to inxcrease our profit shares, for who would want to lose an Asset my friends?

Kani bai kay against jud hinuon ko nimo about aning "Employees will always be a LIABILITY in the minds of the company owners." Ngano? Kay kung liability pa ang mga employees bai, dili na lang na sila mag hire ug employees oi, sila2x (mga owners) nalang ang mag work sa ilahang kaugalingong company di ba? Kinsa gud tawn nga business owner ang mag maintain ug liabilities di ba?

[UnleashRO.com]

Kani bai kay against jud hinuon ko nimo about aning "Employees will always be a LIABILITY in the minds of the company owners." Ngano? Kay kung liability pa ang mga employees bai, dili na lang na sila mag hire ug employees oi, sila2x (mga owners) nalang ang mag work sa ilahang kaugalingong company di ba? Kinsa gud tawn nga business owner ang mag maintain ug liabilities di ba?

kung sa chess pa, naa man gani KING, naa pod pawns

[lodyl]

In network marketing, I do not technically own the company. I am a partner of the company. A company which is regulated by a reputable organization which is recognized by the governments around the world - The Direct Selling Associations. We are partners: The companies provides the products and we provide the cashflow. The real network marketing companies depends on its network marketing distributors, more than you think,, it is like the company depending on their shareholders, we are the lifeblood. The company needs to be in harmony with the distributors to earn profits and to even exists.

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha... Naka hinumdom man hinuon ko ni Noel Velasquez of Planetbiz(Planet Mobile Tech) ani bai... "Business Partners" daw niya ang mga nagpa member sa iyahang MLM company, pero if you come to think of it, unsaon man pagka "business partner" sa mo join nga wala man sila power to decide on anything about the company. Pwede diay sila maka vote let's say if they want to add a compensation plan or decrease the price of the product? Dili man guro di ba?

[firestarter]

Hahaha. Yes bro. I unsderstand na daghan ayu mo mga bright diri og mga maayo sa business. I follow some of you guys years ago pa, esp in the MF, stocks and investments threads. I admire most of them. But we can't always agree to everything mn jud diba. Yes Im new. Yes bangason og baggi-itan na ayu mo. Samot na siguro ka. hehehe. Pero please let us just stick to the discussion bro? hehe.

Bro, actually, we are talking here about Network Marketing. The real network marketing, for me, does not give referral fees, only 1 account head, and all money comes from product sales. If you are talking about the other network marketing, that are full of pyramiding and scams. Let me just tell you, that that is why I am really here, to make the LINE between legit network marketing and illegal pyramiding/scams --- to make the LINE CLEARER. That is why I am here, even if I have to face people with your level of intelligence (na dili mn kaha mo nako ka-level sa business minds). I really hope jud na dili if ikaw lang. sorry.


I do not go from a businessman to a networker. I still have my own traditional businesses so to speak. And, for the record, network marketing is a business for me. Well, we have different beliefs, I believe I am a true entreprenuer - the one that never follow crowds - but just basing only on own calculations and own sets of standards. no my God, not the one that flock with the bangason or baggi-itan. I stand up to what I really believe in.

OT:

Hahaha,,, Mao nani karon.. quit playing the underdog bro, with sarcasm on the side. lol
Personalay naman ni imoha. peace... hehe

Unsa diay name sa imong network marketing bro? If I may ask.
Kabantay lang ko sa imong mga lines bro ba, imong i praise ang uban posters dayon imo dayon hinay-hinayag bira nga pinasarcastic.

Murag smile sa atubangan dayon duslak inig talikod ba. ana lang..

Better make your own topic bro, kay you are getting OT na.

Mao ni ang topic...
"Ngano man daghan nag lagot sa Networking Business?"

Layo na kaayo ta..
And what the heck is "Networking Marketing Professional"?... Nevermind yaw nalang answer bro.

PEACE ta.. hehe way dumot.. discussion lang..

[firestarter]

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha... Naka hinumdom man hinuon ko ni Noel Velasquez of Planetbiz(Planet Mobile Tech) ani bai... "Business Partners" daw niya ang mga nagpa member sa iyahang MLM company, pero if you come to think of it, unsaon man pagka "business partner" sa mo join nga wala man sila power to decide on anything about the company. Pwede diay sila maka vote let's say if they want to add a compensation plan or decrease the price of the product? Dili man guro di ba?

Aligreha aning tawgon ug business partners oi.. pagsure.. lelz..

[quantuminplus]

healthy discussion lang gud.....