***truth about jesus christ!

[marine77]

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second the motion ko ani jairoh. mao bitaw na giingon nga way religion nga mkaluwas kung dili ang imong pagtuo sa Ginoo.

Keep it up bro but faith in the Lord Jesus Christ ha)

[marine77]

So question, how is it possible? where can we find Jesus? in Religion.

You can find bro in the bible. pwede raka dili mosulod ug pundok then basa lang sa iyang pulong--hhehehe)) kana kung makasabot ka sa iynag message.

[marine77]

Religion says "man searching for God" but the bible says "God searching for man". Religion says "do this, do that", but Christ says "done! It is finished". Just believe in Christ bro, and let Christ live in your life, not you. You can read the bible or join a bible study. di man gud religion makaluwas sa tawo bro, faith man. so kung mu.ask kag asa na religion, there is no religion kai kasagaran sa religion rituals gibuhat dghan pa.liko2x. go to a church that doesn't preach and spread religion but preach the word of God w/c is the bible and spread SALVATION! GOOD BLESS YOU!

God bless always bro! mao ni nindot kung ang Christians nay moshare sa truth kay motuhop jud sa kasing-kasing ang gipang share))

[marine77]

Ang pangutana - Dis a man ta nakahibalo nga naay Ginoo? Dis-a sad kahibalo atung ginikanan nga naay Ginoo? Kinsay nag introduce sa Ginoo sa atung Kinabuhi? - Na create ra na ug kalit sa atung huna huna? di ba religion man ang answer ana tanan?

Sa panahon ni Adan nga mismo ang personal presence sa Ginoo iyang na experience, of course wla pa nang gitawag nga religion kay direct man ang communication nila but after the fall, dili na parehas ang sitwasyon. Since that he had fallen short before God, bisan unsa naalng ang gi devise sa tawo para mabalik siya sa source!

That is why Jesus comes in, para ta ma lead ug balik diha sa insakto. He bridged that gap nato ngadto sa Ginoo!

[marine77]

^^^mao na giingon sa maka-una lang ug dunggo diri sa pinas
We are just practicing the religion and worshipping the Gods of our conquerors
and we thought we fully liberated ourselves from foreign rule?

priceless ang kamatuoran part kung atong masabtan! Dili sad ta makaingon nga sa makauna lang kay mismo atong mga apuhan before the spaniards kay mga pagano baya, wala makasabot unsay insakto. At least karon duna tay hint gamay about Jesus Christ so dili na kayo lisud sabton ug lawm2.

[marine77]

somewhat, as far as I have been observing nowadays, some, if not most, christians are giving christianity a bad image
those so called christians esp those preachy self righteous ones are pushing fellow christians to the path of atheism

Bro, i will admit that it's true.
Lisud kung ang kamatuoran nga nahibaw-an is only half truth!
Tanang pundok nga modaut sa image ni Jesus Christ is there only to discredit his credibility. Ang main subject sa tanang great religions bro is WHO the SAVIOUR and MESSIAH is!

[marine77]

what? all that points to Religion. Religion is your link to Christ w/o it your faith is baseless.

sakto jud ka bro! mao nga unsaon man pag "without it" nila nga naa man jud na? kana kung undo ang history.

[marine77]

ironic lang kaayo to those who said or gave me the impression--the way they speak and stand on what they said, that they want to follow the path of Christ yet judging by their attitude I don't even think they wanted to be crucified.
Or they wanted to follow the path of christ (daw) yet they're not ready or dont wanna be crucified or want to left out that part.

Di man gani palupig pa lansang na ba kaha sa cross hahah

Pasabot lang tingali ana part nga bisan pa atubangan sa kamatayon, dili gihapon i surrender ang truth) not just palansang.

[marine77]

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mora jud kag si kinsa nga sweto, ang oban gani diri nga mas sweto pa gahilom hilom ra man gani, manggawas ra sila kong hilabtan nimo ang ilang Relihiyon.
kakita ba gud ka ana nila nga mang awhag sa mga tao nga makig debati diri? ikaw ra man sigeg balik balik ana imong kamatooran kono.

part, wala ko nagpa sweto2 ug dili na mao akong intention, nagshare lang ko kutob sa akong nahibaloan. Ayaw laina ug sabot.
dili manka makabuot sa tawo unsa iyang buhaton. kung sila naghilom2 lang mas maayo kay lahi sad ilang paagi tingali mo share sa kamatuoran, kung in ani sad akoa the best way para dili ka malain, pasagdi lang sad ko) okay? dili man jud ka kapugong sa kadugayan sigeg sunod sa thread maka comment man jud ka.

mao bitaw giingon nako nga foolish ta sa atubangan sa ginoo kung naglalis ta kinsay mas knowledgeable kay sa tinuod lang walay tawo nga nakahibalo sa tanang butang!

[JcBoY]

Sa pagka karon bro, akong gi claim nga si Ginoong Hesukristo mao ang TRUTH para makabaton ta ug kaluwasan inig moabot na sa atua ang kamatayon!

Kana kon tinuod imong gi-tuohan nga si Jesus Christ mao ang Dios pero kon di na maoy tinuod kanang pagtooha which debatable pa na, maoy nay mag-sugba nimo sa kalayo sa impyerno, maayo pay atheist nimo ana.

Unsa may imong ikasupport nga nakaingon manka nga clearly tells? how about sa bible wla diay na mag clearly tells? heheh--

Bro, kinsa may mas imong tuohan kung ang bible nahisulat duol2 sa panahon sa Ginoo ug sa mga panghitabo adtong panahuna like the culture, places, kings ato nga time, also mismo ang mga witness sa Ginoo sa iyang recurrection nag account aning mga butanga compared to the Koran nga gisulti ni Mohammad 600 years after na pagkahitabo ug usa pud, ang iyang lugar (mecca) perteng layoa sa Israel. Usa pud, most contents sa Koran is derived from the bible. Unsa may atong basihanan nga makaingon ta iyang mga words are true? it cannot be proven historically.

See! your concept of God being bounded by time and space is clearly illogical because God cannot be bounded by time nor by space. Don't allege that the Qur'an is derived from the Bible kay klaro kaayo ka nga wa pa ka kabasa ug Qur'an.

Its true bro, dili nimo ma grasp ang concept sa trinity kung simple ra ang imong pagsabot about sa kinabuhi!
Usa ka pangutana if muslims believe on the personal God, kung moingon ta that God speaks in the Koran, then kinsa man ang iyang gi-istoryahan before gi create niya ang universe? kinsa sad iyang gihatagan ug affection or love kung nag inusara raman siya galing? so the trinity concept is more logical kung atong gi accept usa ka PERSONAL GOD! If you want to know more about the God of Christianity, i would suggest to download Mere Christianity audio by CS Lewis.

Bro, TRUTH is simple if is not simple it is not the TRUTH! Kon moingon ka "THERE IS ONLY GOD except GOD", finish! pero kon moingon ka "THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD" unya moingon ka "IN THREE PERSONS" imong lang gilibog ang imong kaugalingon ana.

God begets god as man begets man! God will only create man and not begets him. Just like as man only creates a statue he cannot begets it! Kung ang ginoong Hesukristo bro, gipakatawo man through the Holy Spirit then dili siya normal nga tawo like us. He is from GOD therefore his very essence is also a part of God! In Christianity, Jesus Christ is a God-man. God in a sense that He was from God and man kay parehas siya sa atua nga mobati.
Walay normal nga tawo nga nakabuhat sama sa mga miracles nga gipangbuhat sa Ginoo, healing the sick, defying the laws of nature like walking on water, turning water to wine, raising the dead, feeding the 5000 with few fish and bread and most of all His resurrection from the dead!

Of course dili nimo masabtan bro kung wala sad kay idea about the history of evil and the fall of man!

When you say and your Bible say "his ONLY BEGOTTEN son" does it mean to you, CREATED? (Look up your dictionary what "beget" means. For God to be man is possible but for a man to be God is impossible! Unya motubag ta ug "in God there is nothing impossible" correct, unya pangutan-on ka, "can God make stone that is heavy for him to lift?" That is blasphemous, ngano? Imo gipaka-ubos ang Ginoo sa usa ka tawo subjected to man's natural law, mokaon, matulog and all the things which man's subjected to.

Okay lets put that Jesus is just like the rest of the prophets or messengers of God, then unsa may bili sa iyang miraculous conception and for the christians, His victory over death? Kung mauhon na walay deperensya ang iyang mga teachings lang sa ubang mga propeta before sa iyaha! kung kadto lang diay ang tumanon gihapon (laws of moses) kay mao raman kaha gihapon ang iyang purpose? logic requires here.

Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of the Law and the prophets! diha sa iyaha na fulfill ang tanang prophecies of the Old testament writings.

Bro, remember Jesus Christ was sent ony to the lost sheeps of Israel. Di pa gyud siya maoy fulfillment kay ngano? mabasa nimo sa Bible nga miingon siya, "I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you." - John 16:1-15

Kung masabtan nimo bro ang development sa tawo ug ang intervention sa Ginoo sa iyaha, maka appreciate ka totally sa Christianity!

First, in the early days of man, Si Adan ug Eba wala in their simplicity and innocence about their sorroundings, gihatagan sila sa Ginoo ug simple kayo nga law to exercise their will and obedience sa iyaha, only to obey not to eat of the fruit, they fail then comes the consequence, humanity was cursed--pains, evil, disease, death comes in the scene. Then in the middle part of their development during moses time, God had given again a new set of rules for them to follow and to live in harmony with each other. Again man rebelled and hates God's standards. Now in this last part of Man's history, God himself manifests in the person of Jesus Christ to live with us, to be the perfect sacrifice ang example nga angay natong sundon. Karon nga ang knowledge sa tawo is naa sa iyang peak, dili na magsilbi ang mga rules kung imong pugson ipasunod sa iyaha kundi ang character nga Christlikeness maoy gusto sa Ginoo nga iyang ikanabuhi para duna gihapoy harmony despite sa ka advance na sa knowledge.

So makaingon ta nga ang trinity is a concept nga niuyon sa development sa humanity!

Kuyawa nimo ug concept no, "Humanity was cursed?" imo gipasabot ani nga injustice ang God! Bro, akong e-quote ang gisulti sa usa ka Amerikanong pastor nga nahimong Muslim miingon siya, "Islam is everything a Christian wanted to be". Sa kadaghan nimo ug giyawyaw akong masulti nimo mao ra gyud ni, "Again SIMPLICITY is Beauty and Truth!"

mao btaw akong giingon bro nga dunay compulsion sa religion in some countries like Saudi Arabia. But in Christianity, bisan pa ug kalima ka balhin2 ug pundok, wlaa jud ka pungi tungod kay confident ang Christianity mismo sa iyang TRUTH nga gihold! of course kung ang usa ka kristohanon nakasabot lang sad kung unsa ang iyang gituohan sa level nga mas taas2 ug naka experience then maglisud jud siya ug salikway ana!
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Tagai kuno ko ug specific example bi anang giingon nimo ug compulsion sa Islam!