MERGED: RP-China Territorial Dispute, Related Events and Updates

[æRLO]

nawa ra gud na unsa pagka kulokoy sa ilang claim.

[lhorenzoo]

ambot giunsa og hunahuna nila. vested interests man gud,mao nga hiwi jud ang hunahuna.

[StingerRay]

"All things are MADE IN CHINA, even SPRATLYS ISLANDS is ours."

The vested interests are making them greedy. Greedy in the essence of the rich natural resources of Spratlys can give. They are making their own territory claim not relative to the actual & correct occupancy of the territory.

[Zebastian rella]

unsaon kaha ni pagsolve nga moinsist jud ang china na part jud sa ila territory ni.

[Joseph20102011]

unsaon kaha ni pagsolve nga moinsist jud ang china na part jud sa ila territory ni.

Unfortunately, mas valid and justifiable ang claim sa China or bisan sa Vietnam sa Spratlys against sa ato. Sa dugay na katuigan, ang mga Insik ug Vietnamese maoy sigeg pangisda sa Spratlys ug ang ilang tagsa-tagsa ka mga gobyerno mi-claim sa Spratlys sa dugay na panahon compared sa ato na ni-claim lang ta pag 1898.

[StingerRay]

^^ do the have a hard copy, written document agreement/treaty between China/Vietnam & Philippines about that 1898 claim or purely verbal agreement? If not, then it's baseless. Geographically, they are not entitled of the territory.

[lhorenzoo]

wa ta mahims ani kay ankunon man jud nila tanan.

[Joseph20102011]

^^ do the have a hard copy, written document agreement/treaty between China/Vietnam & Philippines about that 1898 claim or purely verbal agreement? If not, then it's baseless. Geographically, they are not entitled of the territory.

The Philippines claimed the Spratlys according to Treaty of Paris in 1898 when the Americans bought the entire Philippines from the Spaniards, here's the Article III of the Treaty of Paris:


ARTICLE III

A line running from west to east along or near the twentieth parallel of north latitude, and through the middle of the navigable channel of Bachi, from the one hundred and eighteenth (118th) to the one hundred and twenty-seventh (127th) degree meridian of longitude east of Greenwich, thence along the one hundred and twenty seventh (127th) degree meridian of longitude east of Greenwich to the parallel of four degrees and forty five minutes (4 [degree symbol] 45']) north latitude, thence along the parallel of four degrees and forty five minutes (4 [degree symbol] 45') north latitude to its intersection with the meridian of longitude one hundred and nineteen degrees and thirty five minutes (119 [degree symbol] 35') east of Greenwich, thence along the meridian of longitude one hundred and nineteen degrees and thirty five minutes (119 [degree symbol] 35') east of Greenwich to the parallel of latitude seven degrees and forty minutes (7 [degree symbol] 40') north, thence along the parallel of latitude of seven degrees and forty minutes (7 [degree symbol] 40') north to its intersection with the one hundred and sixteenth (116th) degree meridian of longitude east of Greenwich, thence by a direct line to the intersection of the tenth (10th) degree parallel of north latitude with the one hundred and eighteenth (118th) degree meridian of longitude east of Greenwich, and thence along the one hundred and eighteenth (118th) degree meridian of longitude east of Greenwich to the point of beginning.The United States will pay to Spain the sum of twenty million dollars ($20,000,000) within three months after the exchange of the ratifications of the present treaty.

Source: Philippine Commentary 2012: Spratlys Issue: Now Nationalists Defend the Treaty of Paris of 1898

[StingerRay]

In the article, I've read. Vietnam & Philippines have the righteous claim about Spratlys but China/Taiwan claiming to the Spratlys which very delusional with their territorial distance to the island is stupid. Right now, Vietnam is engaging friendly partnership & ties to the Philippines for Spratlys which are justifiable than China's claim.

[Joseph20102011]

In the article, I've read. Vietnam & Philippines have the righteous claim about Spratlys but China/Taiwan claiming to the Spratlys which very delusional with their territorial distance to the island is stupid. Right now, Vietnam is engaging friendly partnership & ties to the Philippines for Spratlys which are justifiable than China's claim.

Ang China/Taiwan naa sab basis sa ilang claim, here's is the basis:


People's Republic of China and Republic of China (Taiwan)

The Republic of China (ROC), which ruled mainland China before 1949 and has been confined to Taiwan since 1949, also claims all of the Spratly Islands. Today, the People's Liberation Army and the Republic of China Armed Forces are both stationed in several islands, including the largest, Itu Aba aka Taiping Island - occupied by ROC.

From 1932 to 1935, the ROC continued to include the territory in its administrative area through the Map Compilation Committee. When France claimed nine islands of the territory in 1933, it immediately encountered a revolt from Chinese fishermen and a protest from the Republic of China government in Nanking. Although China continued to claim the islands, the Second Sino-Japanese war drew its attention for the meantime from 1937 onwards. After the second world war, China reclaimed sovereignty over the islands through post World War II arrangements based on various treaties of the Allied Powers and China built a stone marker on the island.

In 1947, the ROC government renamed 159 islands in the area and published the Map of the South China Sea Islands. The ROC was the first government to establish a physical presence in the Spratly Islands. It has occupied Itu Aba Island, the largest island in the Spratlys, constantly since 1956.

In 1958, North Vietnamese Prime Minister Phạm Văn Đồng sent a formal note to Zhou Enlai.

In 1958, the People's Republic of China, having taken over mainland China and having left the Republic of China with control over Taiwan, Penghu, Kinmen, Matsu, and some outlying islands, issued a declaration of a 12 nautical mile limit territorial waters that encompassed the Spratly Islands. North Vietnam's prime minister, Phạm Văn Đồng, sent a formal note to PRC's Premier Zhou Enlai to recognize these claims; and stated that the Government of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (North Vietnam) respects the decision on the 12 nautical mile limit territorial waters, although South Vietnam continued to claim sovereignty over the islands.


Basis for PRC's and ROC's claims

The PRC and ROC base their claims on the belief that the islands have been an integral part of China for nearly two thousand years and that neighboring countries and European Powers took advantage of China's poor condition and diversity to impinge on its sovereignty.

China claims to have discovered the islands in the Han Dynasty in 2 BC. The islands were claimed to have been marked on maps compiled during the time of Eastern Han Dynasty and Eastern Wu (one of the Three Kingdoms). Since the Yuan Dynasty in the 12th century, several islands that may be the Spratlys have been labeled as Chinese territory, followed by the Ming Dynasty and the Qing Dynasty from the 13th to 19th Century. In 1755, archaeological surveys the remains of Chinese pottery and coins have been found in the islands and are cited as proof for the PRC claim.

In addition, the PRC's military presence ensures a tangible claim to other potential challengers of sovereignty over at least those inhabited areas.

Criticisms to the PRC's and ROC's claims

Surveying an area without establishing a civilization there or a military garrison does not hold the same political weight as staking an official claim. However, the PRC's claim to the Spratly Islands is grounded in the philosophy that since they were present there first they rightly have sovereignty.

Many of these claims to sovereignty come directly from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the People's Republic of China. There is also doubt as to whether these sources state a claim of sovereignty or simply mention the Spratlys alongside other foreign lands.

Claims of pottery being found are mostly shipwrecked treasure from Chinese galleons that sailed through the area and did not necessarily come from anyone who inhabited or even visited the islands.


Source: Spratly Islands dispute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia