MERGED: Vigilantism and related issues

[slyder10]

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minors can be controlled. it's just the gov't doesn't strictly implements it. like curfews for minors, liquor, cigarette sale, minors on clubs, bars, etc.. and sane and sober minors doesn't go out of the house and thinks of committing a crime, it's because of gangs, drugs, and liquor that make them do it.

[monroy]

Mangutana lang ko ninyo ...

Why is it that ang VIGILANTE , VIGILANTE SYSTEM ang naa sa HOT SEAT/SPOTLIGHT ?

How did you guys know mga VIGILANTES ang ni tira ? Have you guys considered na dako ang puruhan na VIGILANTE STYLE ra diay to ? Mag motor , taptap and most victims kay ug di kriminal kay ex convict ?

This is not about the PRO and ANTI but regardless if vigilante or not , what has been done ? Naay nanga priso ba ?



Like how stupid was your shit ? Crazy shit ? Youve shot people ? Rape girls ? Held up people ang kill them ? If not then its not crazy at all , not even deserving to be called misdemeanor .

I dont know about you but I can show you gun shot and stab wounds . That is beside the point though because minors got nothing to do with , indeed some real and crazy shit .

I think there's some exaggeration on both the number of serious crimes committed by minors and also the number of people who would support the killing of minors.

How many rapes, stabbings and shootings as a proportion of all crimes are committed by minors? Figures, not mere assumptions... because in the first place this entered into the discussion because vigilante killings have historically not only been directed against people who commit serious crimes, but also includes those who do petty crimes.

Minors got nothing to do with what? Your gun shot and stab wounds?

Last, with respect to Juvenile Justice Act, if you're talking about murder, homicide, rape e.g. serious crimes, most people don't realize that you can be under 18 and still be put in prison for those crimes.

How far down this road we gonna go? How about we have vigilante groups to shoot tax evaders too, because tax evasion is a worse crime than petty thievery am I right? Or we can kill journalists who commit crime of defamation, etc. All killings can be justified in a sick enough mind...

People who support vigilantes should pull the trigger themselves and not let others do the dirty work for them.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

How many rapes, stabbings and shootings as a proportion of all crimes are committed by minors? Figures, not mere assumptions... because in the first place this entered into the discussion because vigilante killings have historically not only been directed against people who commit serious crimes, but also includes those who do petty crimes.

Dont answer the question with another question .

Minors got nothing to do with what? Your gun shot and stab wounds?

Referring to your CRAZINESS of being YOUNG . Yes it has nothing to do with the MINORS because you use the word YOUNG Just saying though . So what were the crazy shit you did when you were young or aron di misunderstood , kadtong MINOR pa ka ?

Last, with respect to Juvenile Justice Act, if you're talking about murder, homicide, rape e.g. serious crimes, most people don't realize that you can be under 18 and still be put in prison for those crimes.

Of course you will be ... but in JUVENILE CENTERS . PRISONS and CENTERS are different mind you unless naay balaod na that you can mix the minors to the adults of the same or similar heinous crimes na na commit .

How far down this road we gonna go? How about we have vigilante groups to shoot tax evaders too, because tax evasion is a worse crime than petty thievery am I right? Or we can kill journalists who commit crime of defamation, etc. All killings can be justified in a sick enough mind...

These are all assumptions . Kahibalo ka when gyud nagsugod ang VIGILANTE STYLE KILLINGS ? If I am not mistaken , 2000 or 2001 . Pwerting daghana sa case closed ato because gihimong scapegoat ang VIGILANTE . Have you considered na basin STYLE lang diay to na naay effect sa society na its either you are a criminal ma terrorized gyud ka or if you are a law abiding citizen you would feel more safer .

People who support vigilantes should pull the trigger themselves and not let others do the dirty work for them.

I would given the chance . Would you apprehend a criminal and not kill him/her because you despised vigilante killings , justified by the citizens arrest and turn it over to the proper authorities ?

[monroy]

Dont answer the question with another question .



Referring to your CRAZINESS of being YOUNG . Yes it has nothing to do with the MINORS because you use the word YOUNG Just saying though . So what were the crazy shit you did when you were young or aron di misunderstood , kadtong MINOR pa ka ?

Huh what? Bai extreme ra kaayo na imong huna-huna oi. When I say we all do crazy shit, of course I don't mean we've all raped, stabbed or killed someone when we were minors. We are all adults here, let's use practicality when understanding where each one is coming from. What I'm trying to get at is that kids don't have the same mind for analysis as adults. Now, with respect to those serious crimes, yea it's disturbing ain't it when kids commit serious crime like murder. But then again, how many of these serious crimes are committed by minors? That's why I asked for figures.

Of course you will be ... but in JUVENILE CENTERS . PRISONS and CENTERS are different mind you unless naay balaod na that you can mix the minors to the adults of the same or similar heinous crimes na na commit .

If a juvenile commits murder are you sure they will serve their sentence in a juvenile center? Even when they turn 18? I'll ask my GF about this, cos she's the expert on juvenile justice act.

These are all assumptions . Kahibalo ka when gyud nagsugod ang VIGILANTE STYLE KILLINGS ? If I am not mistaken , 2000 or 2001 . Pwerting daghana sa case closed ato because gihimong scapegoat ang VIGILANTE . Have you considered na basin STYLE lang diay to na naay effect sa society na its either you are a criminal ma terrorized gyud ka or if you are a law abiding citizen you would feel more safer .

OK I understand what you mean now. Just because a police officer is the one doing the killing, does not mean he can't be considered a vigilante. Definition of vigilante just means extra-judicial killings outside the law, whether done by a citizen or an enforcement officer.

I would given the chance . Would you apprehend a criminal and not kill him/her because you despised vigilante killings , justified by the citizens arrest and turn it over to the proper authorities ?

Well that would be murder unless it's self defense. And what kind of criminal are we talking about. AThis also a chicken and egg dilemma. Since vigilante killing itself is a serious crime, does that justify vigilante killing of the vigilante killer?

[superidol]

Asa man nga lugar nga walay criminal? Asa man nga lugar nga walay patay, rape, kawat, etc.? Bisag asa ka bai naay criminal.

mao gani dapat patyon ang mga criminal.. pra dli na mow dghan.. patyon clang tanan pra ma hurot.. sa kalibotan.. wlay dli ma hurot.. sa karon wla pay lugar nga 0% criminal.. pro naay lugar nga nag ka gmay na ang criminal.. for example lng.. ang Davao City.. last year ning ad2 ko.. nka observe ko.. bsan mercado nla.. or sa park nla.. ang mga tawo dli ma hadlok mag sol.ob sa elang mga alahas.. mag gamit2x sa elang mga mahalon nga cell phone buntag o gabie.. kay khbaw cla.. ang mga criminal nag ka gmay nlng.. qng naa mn gni.. mhadlok na ug pang hilabot..

Cge, if dli mn gni ok sa a2ng Law mga Vigelanti.. atleast, Shoot to Kill nlng o Dead or Alive ang pag dakop nla

Don't tell us about these things kay dili lang ikaw ang nakaagi aning nga mga panghitaboa.

dli lng jd btaw ako.. naa pay dghan .. possible sad atong mga uma abot nga anak ug apo.. atong mga parents.. atong mga relatives... atong mga bana o asawa.. atong mga amigo ug amiga... mka agi nga ma hilabtan sa mga criminal, tulisan, rapist, adik2x etc. .... mas maaung hotdon na ni cla.. before its too late..

[superidol]

criminals? Kill them all!!!

[superidol]

Poll Results plang gani.. mkita na ang gusto sa majority.. qng unsa jd ang gus2 sa mga Cebuano.. dako na kaau ug biya ang dli mo sugot ug Vigilante.. How I hope! Ang sunod nga Mayor sa Cebu City on 2013... Cme sa Mayor sa Davao.. pra mag ka hinay2x na ug ka hurot ang mga Criminal sa Cebu!!!

[superidol]

You will reap what you sow and you will be put in jail. You will be a criminal and will lived in prison together with other criminals. Is this what you want? This may sound like a preach -- dili na nimo mabalik ang usa ka kinabuhi bisag mapatay pa nimo ang criminal.

dli ko mhadlok ma priso.. bsta ang reason sa akong pag ka priso.. pag patay sa usa ka Criminal.. May nlng, ma kuha2x.an cla..

[cliff_drew]

@Springfield,

Walay na priso either walay witness or naay witness pero dili ganahan mo testigo kay hadlok sad patyon. yes, it's a big possibility nga daghang patay nga gamiton ang vigilante style.

@superidol,

Have you known a fil-chinese nurse killed recently in Davao? Can we say that the place is still safe? Naa gihapon mga snatchers/robbers sa Davao pero mostly wala nabalita kay walay ni report.

My question is this, why man sa ubang lugar lower ang crime rate bisag walay vigilante?

[chris_bern]

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Have you known a fil-chinese nurse killed recently in Davao? Can we say that the place is still safe? Naa gihapon mga snatchers/robbers sa Davao pero mostly wala nabalita kay walay ni report.

My question is this, why man sa ubang lugar lower ang crime rate bisag walay vigilante?

if you are in DAVAO that news is nothing to the davaoenos compared to people who have a lots of criminal records na gawas ug sulod lang sa prisohan unya gipampatay.. and what's good news for the davaoenos is that a lot of snatchers, drug pushers and long time kidnappers today are being monitored and killed in action because they don't want to surrender in our POLICE..

regarding sa imo question na why man sa ubang lugar lower ang crime rate bisag walay vigilante?


mutoo ko sa ubang lugar sa pinas na lower ug crime rate such as batanes and bataan.. and u know why they have low crime rates? because their city or provinces is not that enticing to criminals.. and so no vigilantes will run to them..