What do you think is the best solution to the over supply of nurses in our country?

[gareb]

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i see this as basically the same thing .... naay over supply
sa lain nga viewpoint lang tan-awn....

not quite.

if you are aware of the current state of public health in this country, you would know how much our public healthcare system (from public hospitals down to barangay clinics) are understaffed. the demand is present, but the compensation for these kinds of jobs are not even halfway decent. more so that the benefits that the employees of the public health sector fought for, are slowly being chipped away at.

this distorted view of an "over supply of nurses" stems from the shocking idea that we "train" Filipino nurses with the sole purpose of them going abroad, not thinking that nurses are needed here in this country much more that it is needed overseas. our idea of "over supply" is based on the demand that is seen overseas and not the one within our borders.

there is something terribly wrong with an educational system that sets itself up to provide for the demands of other countries when it cannot even see its own dire need for the very same thing it is "exporting".

the saddest fact is to see people not seeing anything wrong with this set up.

[chris_bern]

@ sir GAREB

I hope I'm not being OT here but regarding in our educational system does our Dep Ed and CHED made the right move in changing our educational system of today?

[gareb]

@ sir GAREB

I hope I'm not being OT here but regarding in our educational system does our Dep Ed and CHED made the right move in changing our educational system of today?

the kind of "reforms" that they are doing with the educational system are just minor tweaks to fine tune it so that it will produce graduates that are more "usuable" (i.e. "exportable").

sadly, there are no changes in the entire philosophy behind the current educational system's drive to produce "exportable" labor. instead of focusing on producing the required manpower that would fuel the country's industrialization, coupled by state-sponsored industries that would provide jobs and spur growth, we produce the manpower to fuel and support other economies, relying on remittances, and not minding the social scars that the dismemberment of families can cause.

we can always look at things solely on the issue of the "oversupply" of nurses. but stopping there prevents us from seeing that such problems are bigger than they are, and are always interconnected somehow with other problems that we face as a society.

[galy]

well obviously I'm not aware of that... thanks for the info .. (maybe because i'm not into the healthcare field)

pero I based my opinion on the news every now and then ... nga pila ka thousand mograduate every year..
kung sa yanong pagtinamban lang.. ang number sa mga healthcare/hospitals sa nasud is not that fast increasing per year.. kompara sa rate of graduates nga maproduce every year ...
correct me if I'm wrong .. ang maproduce nga graduates of nursing sa usa ka school sa usa ka tuig ... sobra pa kini sa number of new healthcare establishments nga matukod sa usa ka tuig .... ( this is just a presumption.. i could be wrong)

that is where i'm coming from on my opinion ..
kung ari natu tan-awn sa nurse nga side .... "gamaya ra kaayo pwedi kaaplayan nga hospital/clinic/etc..."
kung ari pud sa side sa mga establishments .... "daghanang applicants ani oi..."

peace brod ha
IMHO ..

[monroy]

the kind of "reforms" that they are doing with the educational system are just minor tweaks to fine tune it so that it will produce graduates that are more "usuable" (i.e. "exportable").

sadly, there are no changes in the entire philosophy behind the current educational system's drive to produce "exportable" labor. instead of focusing on producing the required manpower that would fuel the country's industrialization, coupled by state-sponsored industries that would provide jobs and spur growth, we produce the manpower to fuel and support other economies, relying on remittances, and not minding the social scars that the dismemberment of families can cause.

we can always look at things solely on the issue of the "oversupply" of nurses. but stopping there prevents us from seeing that such problems are bigger than they are, and are always interconnected somehow with other problems that we face as a society.

I'm not really in agreement with this "state-sponsored" idea. Government should leave industry to people who are experts at running businesses - businessmen and investors. What the government can and should do is either leave businessmen alone or at least cut the red tape needed to start and run a business here. As things stand, this country is over-regulated and government is a big brother entity that intrudes itself everywhere it's neither needed nor wanted. As a result, industry is bogged down and the industrialization everyone wants will never happen. Lack of employment is the ultimate result, even for skilled and highly educated people. So then the only escape left for people who are worth a lot more than this country can give them, is to go overseas.

[gareb]

galy:

when i say the "demand" is present, i was not really referring to the vacancies available, but to the need of communities for public health care providers that are simply not there. we have countless barangays without daycare centers and clinics, we have countless municipalities with no public hospitals, we have too many provincial capitals with decrepit district hospitals.

the education sector's mindset is no longer on addressing this need by producing useful and ready graduates willing and able to do so. it's mindset is on how to take advantage of "in demand" courses abroad, thereby "commercializing" education, effectively disregarding any aspirations at addressing local needs.

the state, which is suppose to correct this error, seems to be encouraging it due to the benefits of getting dollar remittances to its half-afloat economy, deepening the dependency and vulnerability against the fluctuations of foreign economies.

sooner or later our supply of nurses will exceed the latent demand of the populace. but the sad thing is, these nurses have been conditioned to work elsewhere, hence you now see that even if we still have not reached the threshold of the latent demand or nurses, many already see it as an "over supply" again, because they judge it via the demand overseas, rather than our need locally.

[gareb]

I'm not really in agreement with this "state-sponsored" idea. Government should leave industry to people who are experts at running businesses - businessmen and investors. What the government can and should do is either leave businessmen alone or at least cut the red tape needed to start and run a business here. As things stand, this country is over-regulated and government is a big brother entity that intrudes itself everywhere it's neither needed nor wanted. As a result, industry is bogged down and the industrialization everyone wants will never happen. Lack of employment is the ultimate result, even for skilled and highly educated people. So then the only escape left for people who are worth a lot more than this country can give them, is to go overseas.

leave the health sector to the business sector? can the rest of the population afford private hospitals? and should we give health care only to those who can afford it?

we can check the kind of people who are admitted in VSMMC and Chong Hua, and we can see the disparities and the need for a strong public health care sector, lest we condemn the poor to die helplessly.

this is just one example.

[galy]

galy:

when i say the "demand" is present, i was not really referring to the vacancies available, but to the need of communities for public health care providers that are simply not there. we have countless barangays without daycare centers and clinics, we have countless municipalities with no public hospitals, we have too many provincial capitals with decrepit district hospitals.

the education sector's mindset is no longer on addressing this need by producing useful and ready graduates willing and able to do so. it's mindset is on how to take advantage of "in demand" courses abroad, thereby "commercializing" education, effectively disregarding any aspirations at addressing local needs.

the state, which is suppose to correct this error, seems to be encouraging it due to the benefits of getting dollar remittances to its half-afloat economy, deepening the dependency and vulnerability against the fluctuations of foreign economies.

sooner or later our supply of nurses will exceed the latent demand of the populace. but the sad thing is, these nurses have been conditioned to work elsewhere, hence you now see that even if we still have not reached the threshold of the latent demand or nurses, many already see it as an "over supply" again, because they judge it via the demand overseas, rather than our need locally.

got your point

[monroy]

leave the health sector to the business sector? can the rest of the population afford private hospitals? and should we give health care only to those who can afford it?

we can check the kind of people who are admitted in VSMMC and Chong Hua, and we can see the disparities and the need for a strong public health care sector, lest we condemn the poor to die helplessly.

this is just one example.

But one of the reasons private hospitals are so expensive is because there are so few of them. If there were more hospitals they would be more affordable due to competition.

Just how are we going to fund a strong public health sector and how far are we willing to go down the road of indenturing our medical professionals to serve the needs of the poor? These public hospitals can't afford to pay a competitive salary, so you know the only options left is to either force doctors/nurses to work for next to nothing in service of the State or increase taxes that may or may not be spent properly by the government.

And you can leave the health care industry to businessmen and still have a strong health care program for everyone. If you're going to tax people for health care it might as well be to help everyone afford a good private hospital.

[pugak_79]

i think they're happier working as a medical transcriptionist. i dont know if kusog pa ba hiring. or better start over. go back to school and become whoever they truly want to be NOT because maoy in demand sa gawas. Who knows they can be a lot happier being an engineer and whatnot other than being a nurse.

IMO i don't appreciate the gov't relying on remittances to boost the economy. That's just plain lazy. The gov't should make use of resources other than humans.